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It speaks volumes that Harris didn't and can't beat Trump. It's that simple. I don't dislike the lady, I have nothing against her, have never mocked Harris and wish her well, but Harris wasn't president material and the majority of Americans said so by either voting for Trump or not voting at all. If the Democrats want to make any kind of a comeback they'll have to stop even mentioning in passing Harris's name. | |||
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trump never was nor ever will be presidential material. He's not qualified to be a damned dog catcher. Harris is 100 times more qualified. She lost not because she was unqualified, she lost because this country is full of racists, people who won't vote for any woman, and the uneducated who get all their knowledge from bumper stickers & sound bites. He's a total sack of shit & you & everyone else knows it, including his base. They just don't care. Farmers proved that, getting hosed in his last trade war & voting for him again. But they will. Judging by his 1st term, and his last 3 months, it won't take long either. | |||
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Harris was a candidate who lacked appeal, she did terrible with the Democrats when she ran in 2020, she simply offered no reason to vote for her other than not being Trump. That was just not enough. If the Democrats want to become relevant again, they need to appeal to more voters and move towards the middle. If she runs for POTUS again, she will lose. The Dems need better candidates, blaming voters for not electing Harris will simply lead to more Dem loses. Run a candidate that has broader appeal or keep trying to put a square peg in a round hole and continue to lose. To me, the choice is obvious, I see many Dems who do not agree with me though. | |||
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Facebook as a source? Anyway, close enough might be right, with 6 million dem votes missing, election to election. One party didnt show up like they did for basement binden Hey,symple, i think you read, well, to a certain point, which of these qualifications did either candidate miss?
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Stop. Democrats have been usurped by the insane. Thats how you get Trump elected. PETA, blm, defund police, open borders, student loan forgiveness, boys in girls locker rooms, dei, assasination attempts, lying lame stream media, cancel culture, and admit or not Trump Derangement Syndrome, all huge factors that swung the election. | |||
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Don't forget the dedicated cult members like yourself.....Credit where credit is due. | |||
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Hope your day gets better Steve. Big kiss | |||
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Right back at ya! Don't forget to start your day with a nice big helping of orange Kool-Aid.  | |||
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The Democrats ran Hillary because they didn't understand that she was despised by a large percentage of voters. When they ran Biden, all he had to do was keep quiet and trump would sabotage himself. Biden kept quiet and Trump threw the election. The perpetually slow-learning Democrats tried the diversity hire again and we all know what happened. To be fair, they were forced to see Joe's decline on national TV and were unable to deal with it. The Democrats, as an organization, can be incredibly obtuse. Tomahawker is right when he says they have been usurped by the insane. Of course, exactly the same statement can be used to describe the Republicans as well, in recent years. Regards, Bill. | |||
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Lemmee get this straight - So, Rightist's hate and Trump's lies defeated Trump's opposition, despite him being a convicted felon and indicted for other fed crimes, to be prosecuted and likely to serve time had he not been elected again. Now remind me, what is insane? ************* “Those who control the present, control the past and those who control the past control the future.” George Orwell, 1984 https://www.google.com/search?...sclient=gws-wiz-serp Degenerate 1:1 1 Then Trump said, "Let Us re-make a Nation in MY Image, after My likeness, to rule over everything in the Nation, and over all the earth itself and every creature that crawls upon it". Degenerate 1:2 2 Then Trump said, "Vengeance is mine, I will repay on your behalf." Degenerate 1:3 3 "My Kingdom come, My will be done." "When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross." - Sinclair Lewis O.J. Trump aka Trumpism's Founding Farter, aka Farter Martyr. “When the rich rob the poor, it's called business ... When the poor fight back, it's called violence.” - Mark Twain "Be careful. When a democracy is sick, fascism comes to its bedside, but it is not to inquire about its health." - Albert Camus | |||
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Sure, the Dems continue to push terrible candidates in hopes of seating a woman in the WH. Totally insane. I think running a candidate with broader appeal would be the logical thing to do. You disagree and seem fine with continuing to lose. Go figure.... | |||
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"Broader appeal". In the situation of hate and lies being so appealing, evidenced by Trump's win, I don't know how to define broader appeal. Do you mean virtues? How's that working? Do you expect Dems to lower themselves to combat Trumpism, tit for tat, for more "appeal"? I think you guys blaming "terrible candidates" are missing the point. The criteria and virtues of the voters who willingly got sucked in by Trump is the problem. No Dem candidate will ever be suitable to the depraved Trump supporters. ************* “Those who control the present, control the past and those who control the past control the future.” George Orwell, 1984 https://www.google.com/search?...sclient=gws-wiz-serp Degenerate 1:1 1 Then Trump said, "Let Us re-make a Nation in MY Image, after My likeness, to rule over everything in the Nation, and over all the earth itself and every creature that crawls upon it". Degenerate 1:2 2 Then Trump said, "Vengeance is mine, I will repay on your behalf." Degenerate 1:3 3 "My Kingdom come, My will be done." "When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross." - Sinclair Lewis O.J. Trump aka Trumpism's Founding Farter, aka Farter Martyr. “When the rich rob the poor, it's called business ... When the poor fight back, it's called violence.” - Mark Twain "Be careful. When a democracy is sick, fascism comes to its bedside, but it is not to inquire about its health." - Albert Camus | |||
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How about running a candidate that does not alienate a large portion of the electorate? Maybe somebody that resembles a blue dog Dem? Oh that's right, those were driven from the party in favor of the likes of AOC. Open your eyes....the answer is right there before you, if only you were willing to see it. | |||
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There are nuggets of truth here. Much of Trump's effort is devoted to issues which are simply enough, not presidential issues. There is no need to proclaim English as a national language, no need to chase DEI from the Oval Office, no need to do much other than enforce the law and let BLM burn itself out. Transgender issues affect very few and can be addressed with courtesy and a little common sense, of which he is deficient. He is putting out for the authors of Project 2025, probably not even writing the executive orders other than the inflammatory introductory paragraphs. Trump is simply not presidential, and neither are many of the concerns of the modern Democratic Party. I think Bernie Sanders grasped that but somehow did not convince the powers that were, and unfortunately still are. Sigh...do we even have a white knight waiting in the wings (oops, a trigger word)? TomP Our country, right or wrong. When right, to be kept right, when wrong to be put right. Carl Schurz (1829 - 1906) | |||
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I think Trump supporters have alienated themselves. They are too interested in winning the culture wars. As long as Trump or somebody like him keeps feeding them, trading red meat for power, they will keep growling and snarling. ************* “Those who control the present, control the past and those who control the past control the future.” George Orwell, 1984 https://www.google.com/search?...sclient=gws-wiz-serp Degenerate 1:1 1 Then Trump said, "Let Us re-make a Nation in MY Image, after My likeness, to rule over everything in the Nation, and over all the earth itself and every creature that crawls upon it". Degenerate 1:2 2 Then Trump said, "Vengeance is mine, I will repay on your behalf." Degenerate 1:3 3 "My Kingdom come, My will be done." "When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross." - Sinclair Lewis O.J. Trump aka Trumpism's Founding Farter, aka Farter Martyr. “When the rich rob the poor, it's called business ... When the poor fight back, it's called violence.” - Mark Twain "Be careful. When a democracy is sick, fascism comes to its bedside, but it is not to inquire about its health." - Albert Camus | |||
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But they won and Harris didn't....that might be a clue for you that the Dem platform needs to be reassessed. Then again, you could keep on about how the other side is bad. Want to win? Then run better candidates. | |||
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Okay, I'll step back a little and look at it like a ball game. The best team mostly wins. However, there are rules to the game. You know the analogy. If a ball game was run like an election, would breaking the rules really be a win? When one team adopts the end justifies the means vs the other team's means justifies the end, salvaging the game and contest isn't about the losing team also adopting the end justifies the means. It's about holding the rule breakers accountable, and saving the game by saving the rules. You can't compete with a liar and rule breaker with a winning formula in kind, head on. The whole game is lost and corrupt if the side who respects the rules reciprocates likewise with disrespect of the rules and contempt of the opposition and referees in order to win. ************* “Those who control the present, control the past and those who control the past control the future.” George Orwell, 1984 https://www.google.com/search?...sclient=gws-wiz-serp Degenerate 1:1 1 Then Trump said, "Let Us re-make a Nation in MY Image, after My likeness, to rule over everything in the Nation, and over all the earth itself and every creature that crawls upon it". Degenerate 1:2 2 Then Trump said, "Vengeance is mine, I will repay on your behalf." Degenerate 1:3 3 "My Kingdom come, My will be done." "When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross." - Sinclair Lewis O.J. Trump aka Trumpism's Founding Farter, aka Farter Martyr. “When the rich rob the poor, it's called business ... When the poor fight back, it's called violence.” - Mark Twain "Be careful. When a democracy is sick, fascism comes to its bedside, but it is not to inquire about its health." - Albert Camus | |||
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So I take it that you approve of the DNC putting forth ANOTHER far left liberal woman that will lose? This is not nearly as hard as you are making it. Want to win? Nominate a candidate that appeals to a larger segment of the population than either Hillary or Harris did. Quit focusing on the orange turd and develop a platform with broader appeal. FFS, just look at your tag line. That is not the kind of position that wins elections, then again, you seem fine with losing. | |||
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Well, I can hope that the Dems in charge of such stuff are smarter than me and do the right things which leads to winning. I can be supportive in such case. But, IMO it's utterly stupid to engage in a political fight on his terms. Any decency and decent person will lose, and he will slime all over them. Meanwhile I'll just call a snake a snake. ************* “Those who control the present, control the past and those who control the past control the future.” George Orwell, 1984 https://www.google.com/search?...sclient=gws-wiz-serp Degenerate 1:1 1 Then Trump said, "Let Us re-make a Nation in MY Image, after My likeness, to rule over everything in the Nation, and over all the earth itself and every creature that crawls upon it". Degenerate 1:2 2 Then Trump said, "Vengeance is mine, I will repay on your behalf." Degenerate 1:3 3 "My Kingdom come, My will be done." "When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross." - Sinclair Lewis O.J. Trump aka Trumpism's Founding Farter, aka Farter Martyr. “When the rich rob the poor, it's called business ... When the poor fight back, it's called violence.” - Mark Twain "Be careful. When a democracy is sick, fascism comes to its bedside, but it is not to inquire about its health." - Albert Camus | |||
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Not at all true, Biden beat Trump quite handily in 2020 and he did not take the low road to do it. Now ask yourself a very simple question. Trump won two of of the three times that he ran, what was the difference in the candidates that he ran against? I think you know the answer to that question. | |||
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Hillary pulled 3 million more votes, so stop the narrative that she was unpopular. Nobody had ever gotten more votes. Que the electoral college. And making excuses for idiots who don't, won't, never will vote for a black woman no matter what is hardly how you hold up our society. You were warned & don't care. trump has trashed the constitution, inserted himself as a dictator with your blessings, & is now telling you to brace for the tough times ahead that Harris told you he'd bring in 6 months time. All the while getting his 45 million dollar parade to pair up with his multi-million dollar golf rounds. Heil, baby. | |||
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How did Hillary do in the only vote that counts, the electoral college? Shall we count you as another who prefers to lose and make a point rather than win and wield power justly? Middle America is not some evil, Nazi infested place. You have to win the EC, it is not that hard....Biden did it. Or you can keep on about the fascists and lose the next election as well....your choice. | |||
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Meanwhile, many more people stayed home than voted for either Trump or Harris. "None of the Above" won in a landslide, and third-party votes were more than the margin of victory in some places. TomP Our country, right or wrong. When right, to be kept right, when wrong to be put right. Carl Schurz (1829 - 1906) | |||
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Tom I explained, in a long detailed post, with references, that your presumption is meaningless. VEP participation was higher than normal for 2024, with only 2020 having higher. VEP was 63.9% Go to wikipedia.org and look up voter turnout in uniteds states presidential elections. The data is RIGHT THERE According to your position, EVERY potus election since 80 has been more total people not voting than voted for the winner, even in 2020 Average VEP for the winner has been 29.16% For the looser, 26.03%.. total? 55.19% Meaning, according to tom "None of the above" has been the "winner" since 1980, at 45.81% Now, when you show me in the Constitution where we do anything that EVER counts popular vote for potus, I'll make a $100 donation to your favorite charity Then, if you can show me a single state, even with popular vote drives their electors, that they count, for the winner, non-voters to nullify an election, I will make another $100 donation to your favorite charity. opinions vary band of bubbas and STC hunting Club Information on Ammoguide about the416AR, 458AR, 470AR, 500AR What is an AR round? Case Drawings 416-458-470AR and 500AR. 476AR, http://www.weaponsmith.com | |||
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You are one hundred percent right, as I've said before. "None of the Above" has been a contender for as long as I've been alive. TomP Our country, right or wrong. When right, to be kept right, when wrong to be put right. Carl Schurz (1829 - 1906) | |||
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Cool Tom opinions vary band of bubbas and STC hunting Club Information on Ammoguide about the416AR, 458AR, 470AR, 500AR What is an AR round? Case Drawings 416-458-470AR and 500AR. 476AR, http://www.weaponsmith.com | |||
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This time, "None of the Above" may have taken a back set to "Not Worth my Time", and "Seriously?". TomP Our country, right or wrong. When right, to be kept right, when wrong to be put right. Carl Schurz (1829 - 1906) | |||
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You claimed she was a terrible candidate, & the numbers say you lie. That was my message. | |||
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You failed to answer my very simple question, how did Hillary do in the EC? Those are the only numbers that matter and they do not lie. She was beaten soundly in middle America. Not a lie, just math. | |||
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"Middle America" would rather have a fascist for POTUS than a woman, especially a colored woman. That's wicked sad. ************* “Those who control the present, control the past and those who control the past control the future.” George Orwell, 1984 https://www.google.com/search?...sclient=gws-wiz-serp Degenerate 1:1 1 Then Trump said, "Let Us re-make a Nation in MY Image, after My likeness, to rule over everything in the Nation, and over all the earth itself and every creature that crawls upon it". Degenerate 1:2 2 Then Trump said, "Vengeance is mine, I will repay on your behalf." Degenerate 1:3 3 "My Kingdom come, My will be done." "When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross." - Sinclair Lewis O.J. Trump aka Trumpism's Founding Farter, aka Farter Martyr. “When the rich rob the poor, it's called business ... When the poor fight back, it's called violence.” - Mark Twain "Be careful. When a democracy is sick, fascism comes to its bedside, but it is not to inquire about its health." - Albert Camus | |||
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What a nonsense argument! Hillary was vilified, demonized! Of course Hillary was a terrible candidate. I can only think of one other candidate so disliked and that's Trump. Hillary got more votes than Trump because of Trump. The voters weren't voting for Hillary they were voting against Don. Likewise the voters in some measure voter against Biden and so elected Trump. I know I ain't that old, but I've never seen anything like it. Both Hillary and Harris were run as an agenda or to appease a fringe or something. Neither of those two have any appeal to the average American. | |||
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What is sad is that you refuse to see what is obvious to all, the Dem's have moved to far to the left to win, they need broader appeal. Or you can stick with a losing strategy......that does seem to be your preference. | |||
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Plenty of secret service "leaks" that portrayed Hillary as a screeching, menopausal bitch...Her tenure as Sec of State was about as dsiamal as it gets. It was a waste of time to shove this crazy down the throats of the voter She got the loss she so richly worked for. Harris? Widely believed she simply fu...her way to the top.. disrepected and she was simply obviously unqualified. | |||
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Right. Let's vote for the guy that tried to overturn the result of a general election through lies and fraud. The guy convicted of 34 felonies. The guy who fucks hookers and porn stars while his wife is pregnant with his son. The guy who is now talking about running for a third term in contravention of the Constitution. The guy who literally....literally....lies every single time he speaks. That's clearly the more qualified guy. Some of you knuckleheads defy belief.  | |||
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They get it, they don't care. | |||
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6 millions dems didnt care enough to vote 2024 v 2020... had they merely VOTED, there is no way trump could have won I recall someone saying she lost because or racism and sexism... dems might coach their voters better opinions vary band of bubbas and STC hunting Club Information on Ammoguide about the416AR, 458AR, 470AR, 500AR What is an AR round? Case Drawings 416-458-470AR and 500AR. 476AR, http://www.weaponsmith.com | |||
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While Trump is beyond a flawed candidate and is indeed everything MM says he is, he did appeal to more voters in the right places than either Hillary or Harris did. What does that tell you about the Dem candidate? It should have been a slam dunk both times but was not. Maybe, just maybe, the Dems need to look in the mirror and ask why that is. The answer is not that the other guy is a turd, he is a turd, but why can't you beat him? Run a more appealing candidate and you will. See Biden in 2020 as an example. indeed..... | |||
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This! Absolutely correct. Its hard to understand how, after all this time and the examples set, that its even an argument. | |||
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see, scott, in think, in 2016, that they were voting AGAINST Hillary, as trump was kind of an unknown -- Trump did win 30.5 states - I was SHOCKED by trump winning 2016 - i thought he was the of the 3rd weakest GOP candidates in 60 years - while he was ahead of Bob Dole and the COMBO of mccain/bimbo, I thought there was NO WAY a weak GOP candidate beats a Dem after Obama - 2020 - against trump - 50-50 on states, but trump got 12 MILLION more votes than he did in 2016 2024 - who knows -- i bet lots of people were voting against trump, but 6 million missing dem votes? seems kinda sketchy -- NO, this isn't a 2020 was stolen claim, it's where did they go/why did they stay home 31.5 states and another +3m votes than 2020 -- so 15m votes more than 2016 - opinions vary band of bubbas and STC hunting Club Information on Ammoguide about the416AR, 458AR, 470AR, 500AR What is an AR round? Case Drawings 416-458-470AR and 500AR. 476AR, http://www.weaponsmith.com | |||
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