He is going to win Michigan too.

It will be interesting to see how many Hollywood elite follow through and leave the country….

I'm glad it's all now behind us. I hope now America can heal. I think Trumps win is a close to a governing mandate that we have seen in many years.

Are you opposition guys willing to let Trump govern? Or will the investigations, and law suits just continue and even accelerate?

I won't gloat, That's not me. As I've said before, I was voting against Biden/Harris policy.

I voted against 52 states.
I voted against expanding the Supreme court.
I voted against more foreign entanglement.
I voted against men in women's sports and locker-rooms.
I voted against an open southern border.

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Originally posted by jdollar:
It will be interesting to see how many Hollywood elite follow through and leave the country….

Wasn't Whoopie going to leave this time as well?

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Originally posted by Steve Ahrenberg:
I'm glad it's all now behind us. I hope now America can heal. I think Trumps win is a close to a governing mandate that we have seen in many years.

Are you opposition guys willing to let Trump govern? Or will the investigations, and law suits just continue and even accelerate?

I won't gloat, That's not me. As I've said before, I was voting against Biden/Harris policy.

I voted against 52 states.
I voted against expanding the Supreme court.
I voted against more foreign entanglement.
I voted against men in women's sports and locker-rooms.
I voted against an open southern border.

I hope Trump is wildly successful.
I didn't vote for him of course, but I'm not sorry Harris didn't win, I saw no future with the Democrats. I guess I was hoping for a democrat legislature in the event of a trump win just so we could have a do nothing government. I would say I'm scared, but I wonder what trump will do. We've been told many time to not take trump at his word so that kind of leaves a black hole.

The stock market popped and that benefits me as an individual investor, but I would have preferred an ex-prosecutor instead of a convicted felon in the White House.

I guess the real proof of the pudding will be when Trump fills the slots in his administration / cabinet. That will tell whether we will have four years of ruin. I heard Steve Bannon's name tossed around as well as Nunez, Kudlow, Flynn, and Miller. If these men crawl back out from under the rocks, we will begin to see a disaster in the making.

The economy, employment, gas prices, and inflation numbers were good before Trump got re-elected. I hope they are good four years from now.

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Originally posted by Scott King:

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Originally posted by Steve Ahrenberg:
I'm glad it's all now behind us. I hope now America can heal. I think Trumps win is a close to a governing mandate that we have seen in many years.

Are you opposition guys willing to let Trump govern? Or will the investigations, and law suits just continue and even accelerate?

I won't gloat, That's not me. As I've said before, I was voting against Biden/Harris policy.

I voted against 52 states.
I voted against expanding the Supreme court.
I voted against more foreign entanglement.
I voted against men in women's sports and locker-rooms.
I voted against an open southern border.

I hope Trump is wildly successful.
I didn't vote for him of course, but I'm not sorry Harris didn't win, I saw no future with the Democrats. I guess I was hoping for a democrat legislature in the event of a trump win just so we could have a do nothing government. I would say I'm scared, but I wonder what trump will do. We've been told many time to not take trump at his word so that kind of leaves a black hole.

I think, and hope, Trump has an attitude of national reconciliation rather than retribution. The problem as I see the house NOT being red is there would be non-stop impeachment talk and speculation. It's hard to move forward when you're constantly being investigated.

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I think, and hope, Trump has an attitude of national reconciliation rather than retribution.

From everything he’s said for the last four years, I don’t think reconciliation is in his nature. Even in his speeches last night, I heard nothing but “I am Caesar!”

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Originally posted by Tumbleweed:

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I think, and hope, Trump has an attitude of national reconciliation rather than retribution.

From everything he’s said for the last four years, I don’t think reconciliation is in his nature. Even in his speeches last night, I heard nothing but “I am Caesar!”

So, no concession speech yet? You guys hammered Trump for not doing the exact thing Kamala is doing.

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Originally posted by Scott King:

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Originally posted by Steve Ahrenberg:
I'm glad it's all now behind us. I hope now America can heal. I think Trumps win is a close to a governing mandate that we have seen in many years.

I hope Trump is wildly successful.

I would say I'm scared, but I wonder what trump will do. We've been told many time to not take trump at his word so that kind of leaves a black hole.

He's got the majority in the Senate and SCOTUS. If he gets the majority in the House - well, that's a full house.

Successful? The so deemed governing mandate and whatever he dreams up will certainly be successful. The black hole is not that he doesn't keep his word, but that he does what he said he would do, plus a lot more, in addition to his "word" being no good.

At the risk of some claiming I'm making hyperbole, I think we've seen, and about to see more, the most significant shift in social and political order/system in this country, except maybe the civil war. In the scope of history, it's a seismic shift, a rumble in the jungle.

It has been said that the life of nation states averages about 250 years. In 2026, hopefully we will celebrate our 250th year as a nation. An authoritarian form of government may indeed offer stability and prosperity for a few more years.

I too would say I'm scared, because shifts like this are scary enough if virtuously rooted and enacted. But this one isn't. It's rooted in corruption and lies and will be perpetuated same.

In my worldview it is impossible to obtain and sustain an end, especially peacefully, when achieved by a vile and corrupt means.

Here's something that tells us the Truth about human nature. It's reality, and I've claimed to be a realist. Somehow I lulled myself into thinking things had changed.

Notice the word "war" throughout.

Political History of the World - (in general)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...y_of_the_world#2020s

The rise of fascism
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...#The_rise_of_fascism

The 2020s
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...y_of_the_world#2020s

I fully expect her to concede as soon as all states are in.

My problem was Trump’s behavior after he lost in the courts.

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Originally posted by Steve Ahrenberg:
So, no concession speech yet? You guys hammered Trump for not doing the exact thing Kamala is doing.

The latest news, 10 minutes ago

"Harris is expected to deliver a speech to the country and her supporters at Howard University in Washington D.C., her alma mater, a campaign co-chair confirmed to NBC News. The timing of Harris' speech was not immediately known. Three campaign sources tell NBC News it will be later in the day."

"exact thing" is utter skewed and consistent BS.

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Originally posted by Steve Ahrenberg:

I think, and hope, Trump has an attitude of national reconciliation rather than retribution. The problem as I see the house NOT being red is there would be non-stop impeachment talk and speculation. It's hard to move forward when you're constantly being investigated.

Then your hope has gotten in the way of your thinking.

Trump has no "attitude" of peaceful national reconciliation. He has an "attitude" alright of reconciliation through retribution. That's been his whole attitude and MO all his life. How could you possibly think he will change and at the same time think he will behave in a healing way?

The problem I see is the House majority of Dems, not for sure yet, will be the only barrier to the extremes of GOPerism. Moving "forward" is subjective.

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Originally posted by Magine Enigam:

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Originally posted by Steve Ahrenberg:

I think, and hope, Trump has an attitude of national reconciliation rather than retribution. The problem as I see the house NOT being red is there would be non-stop impeachment talk and speculation. It's hard to move forward when you're constantly being investigated.

Then your hope has gotten in the way of your thinking.

Trump has no "attitude" of peaceful national reconciliation. He has an "attitude" alright of reconciliation through retribution. That's been his whole attitude and MO all his life. How could you possibly think he will change and at the same time think he will behave in a healing way?

The problem I see is the House majority of Dems, not for sure yet, will be the only barrier to the extremes of GOPerism. Moving "forward" is subjective.

Riiiigght. Just like Biden message of nation unity.

I guess there is no hope for this nation to come together.

I refuse to be a part of its anguish, even in this microcosm of society. I still won't engage in a negative way.

Its just mental gymnastics.

What it shows is that GOP "morality" can't be found under a microscope. Whether you like Harris or not, she's a saint compared to trump. The GOP voters couldn't find a more crooked, despicable person if they went on a worldwide search for the lowest of the low. That's not sour grapes, his record is well documented. The moral majority does not exist, & the party of God is history.

I did not support Trump but he was elected fairly. I hope he can bring the country together and we can prosper. I hope all the negativity we have seen can be forgiven and forgotten, especially in this forum. There are a lot of great people in the forum that were at odds with each other over politics and that is not how it should be. We are all hunters and need to have a united front.

I hope this finally puts to rest the use of the term “cult” for people supporting Donald Trump.

As stated before, if you were a user of the term “cult” to explain DJTs followers…your mind was not capable of understanding the political dynamics and true national feelings of the American electorate.

I believe this resounding turnout for the man has demonstrated that the majority of Americans share his vision.

Hi Lane,

I still use the term "cult" but not in a bad or derogatory way. By definition cult is people who follow an idea or person because they Truely believe in that idea or person. That believe is so strong that they ignore the "bad" of the idea or person. Cults are everywhere here are some examples, sports teams. I will pick on the Dallas Cowboys (I do not know if you are a fan or not). there are cowboy fans out there (my brother in law) that believe completely that they are the best team no matter how bad or good they do. they by definition are a cult. More examples are singers and actors. Taylor Swift. Swities are a classic example of cult members. Do not say anything bad about Taylor Swift around that 13 year old girl, she will eat you for breakfast and not even bat an eye.

My point is that cults are not bad, they are a part of life and if used correctly they are good things because it can get people to band together and accomplish something, however, they can be used for bad just as easily as good. I really truly do hope that Trump will use his power and that of his followers to do something good for the country. If he does then I will be the first one to say I was wrong about him and will support him in any way I can.

It is a cult. I aspire to stand clear of its worst excesses...

“Men, it has been well said, think in herds; it will be seen that they go mad in herds, while they only recover their senses slowly, one by one.”

― Charles MacKay, Extraordinary Popular Delusions and the Madness of Crowds

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Originally posted by MtElkHunter:
Hi Lane,

I still use the term "cult" but not in a bad or derogatory way. By definition cult is people who follow an idea or person because they Truely believe in that idea or person.

That believe is so strong that they ignore the "bad" of the idea or person.

This is the part that is untrue. Trump’s followers see him for exactly what he is — an imperfect man. We see all his shortcomings, we see all his transgressions, and we know his weaknesses — just as we hopefully see our own and ask for forgiveness.

Yes, we see him for who he is and forgive him of his trespasses just as we are forgiven for our own. As realists we know there are no perfect individuals.

That all said, we also see the good in President Trump. We see his love for a country that he wants to give back what it has given him. We see a man that against all odds, has literally walked through hell for the good of our country — a true fighter. I dare say there is not another man alive strong enough to have overcome the obstacles he has.

Yessir, we see the whole package for exactly what the man is. We don’t “ignore” the bad…we know that with all things in life…you take the bad with the good. The majority of Americans, like myself, believe the good far outweighs the bad. So no sir, we don’t blindly follow and thus his supporters no way in shape or form fit the definition of a cult. Your persistence, continues to demonstrate your lack of scope in understanding the vision of the American electorate.

Cults are everywhere here are some examples, sports teams. I will pick on the Dallas Cowboys (I do not know if you are a fan or not). there are cowboy fans out there (my brother in law) that believe completely that they are the best team no matter how bad or good they do. they by definition are a cult. More examples are singers and actors. Taylor Swift. Swities are a classic example of cult members. Do not say anything bad about Taylor Swift around that 13 year old girl, she will eat you for breakfast and not even bat an eye.

My point is that cults are not bad, they are a part of life and if used correctly they are good things because it can get people to band together and accomplish something, however, they can be used for bad just as easily as good. I really truly do hope that Trump will use his power and that of his followers to do something good for the country. If he does then I will be the first one to say I was wrong about him and will support him in any way I can.

Good attempt at an explanation…it is just not correct.

I respectfully disagree, I think it is still a cult, but that is the good think about being adult Americans is we can disagree on something and not attack each other. My biggest concern is that Trump will make decisions based on vindictiveness instead of that is good for the country, I hope I am wrong and he takes the high road but that has not been his MOA before so we will have to wait and see.

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My biggest concern is that Trump will make decisions based on vindictiveness instead of that is good for the country...

Some deserve his vindictiveness and in some of those cases that would be good for the country.

When you play with fire there's a good chance you'll get burned.
That's a hard lesson for some to learn.

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Originally posted by Steve Ahrenberg:

quote:

Originally posted by Tumbleweed:

quote:

I think, and hope, Trump has an attitude of national reconciliation rather than retribution.

From everything he’s said for the last four years, I don’t think reconciliation is in his nature. Even in his speeches last night, I heard nothing but “I am Caesar!”

So, no concession speech yet? You guys hammered Trump for not doing the exact thing Kamala is doing.

You're so far gone down the rabbit hole that you have no compunction about making up stuff. In fact, Harris graciously conceded and called Trump to congratulate him. I got that prediction right at least.

Can you imagine your boy ever doing that?

Since you're sunk to a new low point, Steve, and have shown how qualified you are, you should apply for work in the Trump administration.

Vindictiveness is not right or helpful.

The president should stay away from pressuring the legal system, and let it work.

The legal folks who behaved badly who are in appointed positions should be told to leave, and let the civil service regulations deal with those who didn’t.

In my mind, the GOP should be better than the democrats.

Election should be the chance to show it.

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Originally posted by crbutler:
Vindictiveness is not right or helpful.

The president should stay away from pressuring the legal system, and let it work.

The legal folks who behaved badly who are in appointed positions should be told to leave, and let the civil service regulations deal with those who didn’t.

In my mind, the GOP should be better than the democrats.

Election should be the chance to show it.

CR,
I agree with what you stated, but here is my problem with it. I agree the R's should let it go, but would the D's do the same? I really doubt it and I don't think the election was won because of what the D's did to Trump (it may have been a factor for some), it was won on the economy and the Southern invasion. I cannot imagine what immigration would have looked like had Kamala got 4 or 8 more years.

I hope both sides let all this crap go and just get on with doing what is right for the people of this country.

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Originally posted by ledvm:
I hope this finally puts to rest the use of the term “cult” for people supporting Donald Trump.

As stated before, if you were a user of the term “cult” to explain DJTs followers…your mind was not capable of understanding the political dynamics and true national feelings of the American electorate.

I believe this resounding turnout for the man has demonstrated that the majority of Americans share his vision.

This does not mean they are not a cult. Numbers do not define a cult. They do not care what he says, or does. At all. He showed a thousand times he is unfit, and they don't care. They've said so and demonstrated it at the polls. Reason be damned. That is what a cult does. A very large cult is still a cult.

Hmm. Not surprised at the sore losers showing themselves here.

I would wager the leftists were mostly about abortions and orange man bad.

The rightists were about the high COL, crime, attempts to twist children, bad school systems, allowing men to compete as women, celebrating such fake women in the federal govt, funding billions to foreign wars, endless illegals on the taxpayer's dime, endless attacks on trump, endless attacks and name calling on conservative Americans....

Yeah, there's many more. The people spoke not only by electoral college but by popular vote.

Posted this once already. Sure needs 'splain'n.



BTW- How many 'accents' was harris able to perfect?

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Originally posted by wymple:

quote:

Originally posted by ledvm:
I hope this finally puts to rest the use of the term “cult” for people supporting Donald Trump.

As stated before, if you were a user of the term “cult” to explain DJTs followers…your mind was not capable of understanding the political dynamics and true national feelings of the American electorate.

I believe this resounding turnout for the man has demonstrated that the majority of Americans share his vision.

This does not mean they are not a cult. Numbers do not define a cult.

They do not care what he says, or does. At all.
Very stupid statement. They do. They agree.

He showed a thousand times he is unfit, and they don't care.

Your opinion. They disagree.

They've said so and demonstrated it at the polls. Reason be damned.

Reason!? Is that a joke!? Damn!

That is what a cult does. A very large cult is still a cult.

Another uneducable person. Doubling down just demonstrates your ignorance.

Doc
Come on, man, when naki got all excited about Iowa going blue, it was close enough's coffee clutch that where interviewed at the Cafe

I think close enough and grandma ken were separated at birth, or at least take the same estrogen prescription

Love the liberals' attitude. They persecuted Trump for years, impeachments, stupid political prosecutions, even called him Hitler to try to get someone to try to kill him, but now that he won -- even the popular vote -- a real mandate -- they say I hope Trump forgets about what bad people we are and just says everything's forgiven. Very child like.

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Originally posted by Gundog 64:

quote:

Originally posted by crbutler:
Vindictiveness is not right or helpful.

The president should stay away from pressuring the legal system, and let it work.

The legal folks who behaved badly who are in appointed positions should be told to leave, and let the civil service regulations deal with those who didn’t.

In my mind, the GOP should be better than the democrats.

Election should be the chance to show it.

CR,
I agree with what you stated, but here is my problem with it. I agree the R's should let it go, but would the D's do the same? I really doubt it and I don't think the election was won because of what the D's did to Trump (it may have been a factor for some), it was won on the economy and the Southern invasion. I cannot imagine what immigration would have looked like had Kamala got 4 or 8 more years.

Let it is has already said, with the backing of hockul that she WILL NOT let it go.....

Is that vindictive?????


.

Oh, and I do hope all the liberal celebrities who threatened to leave do. Good riddance.

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Originally posted by jeffeosso:
Doc
Come on, man, when naki got all excited about Iowa going blue, it was close enough's coffee clutch that where interviewed at the Cafe

I think close enough and grandma ken were separated at birth, or at least take the same estrogen prescription

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Originally posted by MtElkHunter:
I hope both sides let all this crap go and just get on with doing what is right for the people of this country.

Polyana wonders if Trump has matured in the intervening years, and will listen to sage advice this time.

Is it vindictive? In my mind, yes.

What happened?

The democrats lost.

From folks at work who tend to lean democrat, the legal effort to get Trump bothered them. But hey, we’re not lawyers and don’t “understand” the system.

If the populace endorsed Trump because of the chicanery, turning it around and doing the same to the democrats will only cause the cycle to swing.

I get that folks are upset about the bad behavior, but you have to wonder if the juice is worth the squeeze.

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Originally posted by JTEX:

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Originally posted by Gundog 64:

quote:

Originally posted by crbutler:
Vindictiveness is not right or helpful.

The president should stay away from pressuring the legal system, and let it work.

The legal folks who behaved badly who are in appointed positions should be told to leave, and let the civil service regulations deal with those who didn’t.

In my mind, the GOP should be better than the democrats.

Election should be the chance to show it.

CR,
I agree with what you stated, but here is my problem with it. I agree the R's should let it go, but would the D's do the same? I really doubt it and I don't think the election was won because of what the D's did to Trump (it may have been a factor for some), it was won on the economy and the Southern invasion. I cannot imagine what immigration would have looked like had Kamala got 4 or 8 more years.

Let it is has already said, with the backing of hockul that she WILL NOT let it go.....

Is that vindictive?????


.