https://www.msn.com/en-us/news...3669a36e6b2155&ei=47

Interesting. I wonder if the owner would have turned away a buyer on the extreme right wing side of the equation. I bet not, as it wouldn't make him feel "uncomfortable".

Supporting ANTIFA is qualification for insanity isn’t it?

If he would have given a business card stating member of proud boys, or KKK charter member, I think they would.

I’ve seen folks wearing t shirts that make me think they should be locked up buying firearms, so I’m probably not the best guy to run a firearms business- but if you come in advertising that you are some kind of extremist or whacko, my view would be, sorry, but I’m not comfortable transferring a firearm or ammo to you.

Admittedly, a bit of common sense goes a long way.

So it's only a sacred Right if the store owner agrees with you on everything?

Wasn't that many decades ago when this Country was so Antifa we sent huge armies to Europe and the Pacific to defeat fascists, now we let them serve in Congress and once let one sit in the White House.

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Originally posted by ledvm:
Supporting ANTIFA is qualification for insanity isn’t it?

Didn't you hear Jerry, when he said "anifa is a myth"

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Originally posted by jeffeosso:

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Originally posted by ledvm:
Supporting ANTIFA is qualification for insanity isn’t it?

Didn't you hear Jerry, when he said "anifa is a myth"

Antifa as some sort of overarching organization is a myth, except for the few attempts to turn it into a grift.

There is no National headquarters or leadership, just people who are against fascism.

Anybody with an "ANTIFA Membership Card" is a sucker who fell for a scam, or somebody who bought a novelty as a joke.

You may have the right, but the ATF states that you (as an FFL) are supposed to be a step in preventing illicit gun acquisition.

My point being that I would not feel comfortable selling a firearm to anyone who was stupid enough to advertise that they support an extremist cause. Not a governmental ban, but me as a business owner saying no.

Not a government ban, not a 2A violation.

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Originally posted by Jefffive:
So it's only a sacred Right if the store owner agrees with you on everything?

Wasn't that many decades ago when this Country was so Antifa we sent huge armies to Europe and the Pacific to defeat fascists, now we let them serve in Congress and once let one sit in the White House.

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Originally posted by crbutler:
You may have the right, but the ATF states that you (as an FFL) are supposed to be a step in preventing illicit gun acquisition.

My point being that I would not feel comfortable selling a firearm to anyone who was stupid enough to advertise that they support an extremist cause. Not a governmental ban, but me as a business owner saying no.

Not a government ban, not a 2A violation.

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Originally posted by Jefffive:
So it's only a sacred Right if the store owner agrees with you on everything?

Wasn't that many decades ago when this Country was so Antifa we sent huge armies to Europe and the Pacific to defeat fascists, now we let them serve in Congress and once let one sit in the White House.

Being opposed to fascists is only "extremist" inside the Republican Party.

So you are claiming Antifa is not extremist?

Most disagree.

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Originally posted by crbutler:
So you are claiming Antifa is not extremist?

Most disagree.

Many get all their knowledge of Antifa from Fox News, like you.

It is NOT an organization, it is an ideology that holds that fascists should have no place in our public life.

You apparently don't agree with them.

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Originally posted by crbutler:
You may have the right, but the ATF states that you (as an FFL) are supposed to be a step in preventing illicit gun acquisition.

My point being that I would not feel comfortable selling a firearm to anyone who was stupid enough to advertise that they support an extremist cause. Not a governmental ban, but me as a business owner saying no.

Not a government ban, not a 2A violation.

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Originally posted by Jefffive:
So it's only a sacred Right if the store owner agrees with you on everything?

Wasn't that many decades ago when this Country was so Antifa we sent huge armies to Europe and the Pacific to defeat fascists, now we let them serve in Congress and once let one sit in the White House.

I think the gun owner is legally fine. He did not deny service, selling the firearm, based on a Federally protected status; race, religion, sexual orientation, or age.

There is no state action here to trigger a restriction/ due process analysis.

A person has the right to free speech. However, if that wants to call gay people abominations in my old private office, I had the right to refuse him service and have him leave.

Wo State Action or service being withheld in violation of Federal law, we have no case to argue.

Actually, seeing the behavior of the folks that claim to be Antifa is what leads me that way.

Just because some yahoo says it’s fascist doesn’t make it so.

Yes, I do consider Antifa to be the moral equivalent of the proud boys or the militia movement types.

I’m sure there are some individuals in all of those groups who are decent people, but they collectively behave in a manner that allows me to condemn the lot.

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Originally posted by Jefffive:

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Originally posted by crbutler:
So you are claiming Antifa is not extremist?

Most disagree.

Many get all their knowledge of Antifa from Fox News, like you.

It is NOT an organization, it is an ideology that holds that fascists should have no place in our public life.

You apparently don't agree with them.

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Originally posted by Jefffive:

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Originally posted by crbutler:
So you are claiming Antifa is not extremist?

Most disagree.

Many get all their knowledge of Antifa from Fox News, like you.

It is NOT an organization, it is an ideology that holds that fascists should have no place in our public life.

You apparently don't agree with them.

Quotes from wikipedia --

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antifa also use tactics involving digital activism, doxing, harassment, physical violence, and property damage

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individuals involved in the movement subscribe to a range of left-wing ideologies, and tend to hold anti-authoritarian, anti-capitalist, and anti-state views. A majority of individuals involved are anarchists, communists, and socialists who describe themselves as revolutionaries, and have little allegiance to liberal democracy,[7] although some social democrats also participate in the antifa movement

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Some on the political left and some civil rights organizations criticize antifa's willingness to adopt violent tactics, which they describe as counterproductive and dangerous

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Antifa is not a unified organization but rather a movement without a hierarchical leadership structure, comprising multiple autonomous groups and individuals

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ndividuals involved in the antifa movement tend to hold anti-authoritarian,[11] anti-capitalist,[55][56] anti-fascist,[44] and anti-state views,[9] subscribing to a varied range of left-wing ideologies.[57] A majority of adherents are anarchists, communists, and other socialists who describe themselves as revolutionaries,[8] although some social democrats and others on the American Left,[9] among them environmentalists, LGBT and indigenous rights advocates,[5] also adhere to the antifa movement

Who doesn't Support Antifa?

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In September 2020, Democratic Party presidential candidate Joe Biden also condemned antifa violent actions, having already condemned violence across the political spectrum and expressed his support for peaceful protests

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On August 29, 2017, Nancy Pelosi, then House Minority Leader for the Democratic Party, condemned the violence of antifa activists

You know, it's just weird how they show up in groups, in like clothing, weapons, equipment, and even shields --






Oh, i guess all this is wrong, and we can just trust jeff that it's a "little ole social club"

There are some 1100 racist & anti gov't far right wing outfits in this country according to the FBI. They have military camps and drill to fight & kill military style. How many tens of thousands of guns have FFL dealers willingly sold to them? They know who they are selling to. I'm only pointing out the hypocrisy.

Tit for tat?
The event prompter, eventbright, has decided that they will allow hosting for Hamas supporters, but not Riley Gaines saying the common sense of only women in women's sports -

I mean, it's like they have an agenda, and are willing to support Hamas

https://www.foxnews.com/sports...s-pro-hamas-listings

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Originally posted by wymple:
There are some 1100 racist & anti gov't far right wing outfits in this country according to the FBI. They have military camps and drill to fight & kill military style. How many tens of thousands of guns have FFL dealers willingly sold to them? They know who they are selling to. I'm only pointing out the hypocrisy.

Weird - CNN reports that the largest buyer sector are women, liberals, and minorities - i mean, you know, while you might be "close enough" CNN has facts
https://www.cnn.com/2022/09/27...rity-reaj/index.html

"close enough" is apparently 400 miles -- you could draw circle radius 200 miles, dead center of iowa -- and not a single bit of the circumference would TOUCH iowa - "close enough" what a canard

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Originally posted by Jefffive:
So it's only a sacred Right if the store owner agrees with you on everything?

Wasn't that many decades ago when this Country was so Antifa we sent huge armies to Europe and the Pacific to defeat fascists, now we let them serve in Congress and once let one sit in the White House.

Yep! Until the democrat party turned facist......and antifa is just the militant arm of the democrat party.....

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Originally posted by jeffeosso:
Tit for tat?
The event prompter, eventbright, has decided that they will allow hosting for Hamas supporters, but not Riley Gaines saying the common sense of only women in women's sports -

I mean, it's like they have an agenda, and are willing to support Hamas

https://www.foxnews.com/sports...s-pro-hamas-listings

Now there is some pure leftist thinking!

Support murdered of women and children.....but don't support women.....


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Weird - CNN reports that the largest buyer sector are women, liberals, and minorities

Which has what to do with violence preaching right wing white supremacists buying weapons? And you quote CNN, another level of hypocrisy from you.

Good on the gundealer. I won't debate with morons.

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Originally posted by wymple:

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Weird - CNN reports that the largest buyer sector are women, liberals, and minorities

Which has what to do with violence preaching right wing white supremacists buying weapons? And you quote CNN, another level of hypocrisy from you.

wymple
if you paid attention or "close enough" you'd see that i usually quote more leftist leaning sources, such as bbc, cnn, and wikipedia, to prevent "source attacks", such as this --

hmm, they are buying guns in BLUE states - you know the ones with 100+% increases in violent and property crimes - crime waves so bad that major retailers are leaving the areas.

You know, you might take a "close enough" distance drive, and go spend the night in Chicago, i recommend the south side for frugality, and then walk around the shopping districts after dark. Of course you can't take a firearm, due to the amazing success of gun laws in place. If the first night isn't exciting, you could consider staying a week, just to get the favor of the vibrant nightlife - During the day, you could try a Gino's East deep dish pizza, i would recommend sausage and spinach for ingredients.

I lived in Chicago for 2 years. Again, stop pretending to educate me. Any city with even 100K population has places to be wary of. I still get there once in a while, I particularly like the Museum of Natural History and the Aquarium. It's more dangerous in some of your red state big cities. And I wouldn't put spinach on anything.

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Originally posted by wymple:
I lived in Chicago for 2 years. Again, stop pretending to educate me. Any city with even 100K population has places to be wary of. I still get there once in a while, I particularly like the Museum of Natural History and the Aquarium. It's more dangerous in some of your red state big cities. And I wouldn't put spinach on anything.

oh, trust me, I have long given up on trying to "educate" you, and i was just sharing my preference on Gino's ...

Look, at this point, I am trying to educate you just as much as Ricky is trying to help "the safety man" with his spanish

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4XTILwQYSWc

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your red state big cities

you forgot the keyword BLUE there...
your red state big BLUE cities

The key words being CITIES. You cram hordes of people into places and you get crime all throughout history. You never mention states, tho. Plenty of red state governments and they have higher crime rates, including murder than blue states.

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Originally posted by wymple:
The key words being CITIES. You cram hordes of people into places and you get crime all throughout history. You never mention states, tho. Plenty of red state governments and they have higher crime rates, including murder than blue states.

You are correct, our BLUE cities are teaming with crime - and all Run by democrats - well, with the odd exception of Dallas, where the mayor switched parties lately.

You are further correct, that red states with huge blue populations, tend to have higher entotal crimes -

Hmm, what's the common thread there? Local Blue governments --

I do think you don't think your comments through, but it's amusing to watch you try

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You are further correct, that red states with huge blue populations, tend to have higher entotal crimes -

The worst states have higher red populations regardless of the here & there city of size. They voted RED, meaning republican. Over your head?

https://www.insideedition.com/...g-to-new-study-74227

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Originally posted by wymple:

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You are further correct, that red states with huge blue populations, tend to have higher entotal crimes -

The worst states have higher red populations regardless of the here & there city of size. They voted RED, meaning republican. Over your head?

https://www.insideedition.com/...g-to-new-study-74227

subtlety of data is beyond you, isn't it? Of course, it's "close enough" for you

yeah, data analysis isn't your thing, i get it, it requires you to be more than "close enough"