“I had no problem with conservative opinion any more than I do with liberal opinion,” Wallace said during a podcast appearance with Mediaite Editor-in-Chief Aidan McLaughlin. “But what I do have a problem with is conspiracy and lies. The truth is nonnegotiable.”

I will say that it is funny how long it took him to figure this out. He had to leave Fox.


https://thehill.com/homenews/m...0-election-coverage/

Chris Wallace was the only redeeming quality of Fox News. He didn't belong there. I never understood why Fox kept him on board. Maybe to add some legitimacy to their claim of fair and balanced. I never understood how "balanced" could mean mixing lies with truth.

Oh well, they solved that by going to all lies.


https://youtu.be/unYvmMb0fvE?si=rDNNNHt39RFHuZPd

“Crazy. Complete Nonsense.” - Chris Wallace On The Supreme Court’s Presidential Immunity Ruling

The Late Show with Stephen Colber

The only thing good about FOX News, Newsmax and other far-right bigots is that the scum that work there are at least "OUT" where they can be clearly identified for what they are, un-American propagandists for America's enemies.

I never stay on their platforms for more than a minute at a time. To me it is like looking inside a zoo. I can't believe people like that even exist in our country. One way to Make America Great Again would be to get rid of them.

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Originally posted by Kensco:
The only thing good about FOX News, Newsmax and other far-right bigots is that the scum that work there are at least "OUT" where they can be clearly identified for what they are, un-American propagandists for America's enemies.

I never stay on their platforms for more than a minute at a time. To me it is like looking inside a zoo. I can't believe people like that even exist in our country. One way to Make America Great Again would be to get rid of them.

Ahh, the tolerant left, defenders of 1a.

He did not say the government should ban those entertainment outlets.

Entertainment is what Fox described itself in court as being.

It appears you do not appreciate his use of free speech to describe Fox New, et al.

Either way, one is feee to defend Fox News, et al., through implication by trying to position those who use inflammatory language to describe Fox News, et. al.

The bottom line it is not anti First Amendment for private person to say how awful Fox News, et. al are in their view.

Such could be viewed as very pro First Amendment.

Only when a state actor seeks to restrict speech is the 1st Amendment at play through a 14th Amendment Due Process analysis.

Finally, the S. Ct., had been clear. There is no rights that are absolute including the 1st Amendment and has permitted some restrictions on speech through a Strict Scrutiny analysis.

You really have no argument in your attempt to position the speaker as anti-First Amendment.

This forum makes me think of analogies.

Some think of themselves and their opinions this way:

https://youtube.com/shorts/YME...?si=dITCMMHxLDbDAkqE

Others see them this way:

https://youtu.be/gtQLIU4ze0g?si=TVgXL4BvifhsLO9o

I've heard from conservatives many times the lament and longing for a Walter Cronkite type news person. The argument is "just give me the facts and I'll decide..."

IMO, the facts and evidence indicate that MOST conservatives/republicans don't harbor a reality tethered to facts. Of course that's not a condition limited to Rightists.

I think Chris Wallace was as good or better than Walter. Chris had a better style and went further than just reporting. He dug into it and maintained his principles and journalism ethics.

There are many such people in the "news" or journalism business today. Rightist's don't trust or like them. They like their lies and its big business.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/ente...908211c260a1e9&ei=10

‘They should pay’: See Chris Wallace tackle Fox’s election lies and rebut ousted host Tucker Carlson

Does anyone find it ironic that when Wallace left the main stream media for Fox News, his parting statement was practically the same as as to the current causes for changing outlets. I wonder if he believes that main stream media is now telling the truth. To him, earlier, Fox news was the honest one. If you follow the money, I wonder what that would tell you. 10 cents to a dollar, I’ll bet he already has a contract.

Yep, he’s already hired by CNN +, that paragon of truth. What a hoot!

Are you defending Fox as truthful? hell, even Fox couldn't defend Fox. 787 million & not done yet.

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Originally posted by wymple:
Are you defending Fox as truthful? hell, even Fox couldn't defend Fox. 787 million & not done yet.

The altitude must be getting to you. I certainly never said Fox was “truthful.

I simply pointed out the irony of Wallace’s being the defender of Fox when he left the MSM to join Fox. Now, he’s being paid to dump on Fox and is going to CNN, a network not known for its honesty.

TDS must have caused you to assume something else.

He found he was wrong, as is now upgrading to a more honest platform.

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Originally posted by wymple:
He found he was wrong, as is now upgrading to a more honest platform.

There is hope for you yet, close enough

quote:

Originally posted by wymple:
He found he was wrong, as is now upgrading to a more honest platform.

The lefties were doing OK, right up until this statement. Fox and CNN are opposite sides of the same coin. Both are networks comprised of lying liars who lie. That Chris Wallace would choose to be associated with either one, shoots his credibility all to hell. Regards, Bill.

Speaking of CNN. The network is relieved that Anderson Cooper won't need medical care; this after he was struck by a piece of 1/2 inch styrofoam, which would have had no effect on the average gerbil. Bill.

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Originally posted by Bill Leeper:
Speaking of CNN. The network is relieved that Anderson Cooper won't need medical care; this after he was struck by a piece of 1/2 inch styrofoam, which would have had no effect on the average gerbil. Bill.

You missed the ball with that swing. At high speed, any debris, including styrofoam, can kill or hurt.

A piece of foam brought down the Columbia space shuttle.

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Fox and CNN are opposite sides of the same coin. Both are networks comprised of lying liars who lie.

I disagree with that statement.

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Originally posted by RolandtheHeadless:

quote:

Originally posted by Bill Leeper:
Speaking of CNN. The network is relieved that Anderson Cooper won't need medical care; this after he was struck by a piece of 1/2 inch styrofoam, which would have had no effect on the average gerbil. Bill.

You missed the ball with that swing. At high speed, any debris, including styrofoam, can kill or hurt.

A piece of foam brought down the Columbia space shuttle.

it didn't - not in the context of the rest of your rant - the LACK of such caused problems ..

quote:

Originally posted by Bill Leeper:

quote:

Originally posted by wymple:
He found he was wrong, as is now upgrading to a more honest platform.

The lefties were doing OK, right up until this statement. Fox and CNN are opposite sides of the same coin. Both are networks comprised of lying liars who lie. That Chris Wallace would choose to be associated with either one, shoots his credibility all to hell. Regards, Bill.

Keep us informed on the billion plus lawsuit filed against CNN for lying.......oh, wait....

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Originally posted by jeffeosso:

quote:

Originally posted by RolandtheHeadless:

quote:

Originally posted by Bill Leeper:
Speaking of CNN. The network is relieved that Anderson Cooper won't need medical care; this after he was struck by a piece of 1/2 inch styrofoam, which would have had no effect on the average gerbil. Bill.

You missed the ball with that swing. At high speed, any debris, including styrofoam, can kill or hurt.

A piece of foam brought down the Columbia space shuttle.

it didn't - not in the context of the rest of your rant - the LACK of such caused problems ..

I'm not surprised to see you wrong yet again.

"An investigation board determined that a large piece of foam fell from the shuttle's external tank and breached the spacecraft wing."

https://www.space.com/19436-columbia-disaster.html

I didn't say they were stupid about it. Their lies are generally meaningless but lies nonetheless. The lefties can ignore them, just like the Trumpteers can ignore Trump's.
As for Anderson's close encounter with the styrofoam, it wasn't even at high speed. I would not be surprised to learn it was staged. CNN along with the rest of them, have exaggerated and fabricated so much that their reporting is always suspect. My advice to all news outlets would be, when you feel the urge to exaggerate a story, or slant a story, or lie by ommission, don't do it! Bill.

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Originally posted by Magine Enigam:

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Fox and CNN are opposite sides of the same coin. Both are networks comprised of lying liars who lie.

I disagree with that statement.

Because it's bullshit. CNN may get it wrong from time to time but they are not a propaganda outlet like FOX.

Yes, they are. We watch them spout propaganda all the time. Bill

Well bill, if you're watching all the time does that make you more informed?

Or do your opinions and false equivalences interfere?

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Originally posted by Bill Leeper:
Yes, they are. We watch them spout propaganda all the time. Bill

100%

Remember back when Trump started using the term "fake news"? He also used the term "enemies of the people". At the time it seemed absurd. But the purpose of his lies then went beyond the obvious. It was the beginning of a strategy to undermine confidence in our familiar sources of info.

The strategy has since expanded and includes practically all the institutions we have relied on, and which are essential for sustaining the Founding Principles.

The breakdown is almost complete as evidenced by the previous post.

Fascist Fodder is not easily identified, but there are solid indicators.

The thing is, when Trump was spouting about "fake news", it was anything but. There was plenty of fake news out there, but it wasn't necessary to make things up about Trump. He provided, and provides, plenty of fodder on his own. Nonetheless, that Trump lies about what is and isn't so, does not mitigate the other lies and distortions. We've seen distortions and damn lies from news outlets of all stripes. Bill

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We've seen distortions and damn lies from news outlets of all stripes.

Maybe so, but I haven't seen enough of the "all stripes" to call it even or somehow equivalence. I'm not nihilistic about it as some are.

And the media is one thing. Trump is another. Trump promotes nihilism re the fundamental institutions of the nation, and it's working.

According to Wikipedia, Wallace worked for Fox from 2003 until recently.

Took him a while to find out he was wrong, didn’t it.

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Originally posted by wymple:
He found he was wrong, as is now upgrading to a more honest platform.

It was and is my opinion that Fox kept Wallace around for as long as they did because he helped their ratings.

As the Fox audience radicalized, Wallace became less useful in the facade of "fair and balanced".

Wallace dealt in news and truth. Fox decided that spin and propaganda were more profitable, and that in part is why they got into and settled a defamation suit, which BTW Wallace wasn't part of.

Here are some quotes from the article linked in the OP:

“I had no problem with conservative opinion any more than I do with liberal opinion,” Wallace said during a podcast appearance with Mediaite Editor-in-Chief Aidan McLaughlin. “But what I do have a problem with is conspiracy and lies. The truth is nonnegotiable.”

Wallace, the former host of “Fox News Sunday” who moderated presidential debates and anchored political coverage on the network for years, left the top-rated cable channel in 2021.

He has previously criticized Fox over its controversial but highly-rated opinion programming.

Wallace months after leaving Fox told The New York Times working at the outlet had become untenable for him, saying, “When people start to question the truth — Who won the 2020 election? Was Jan. 6 an insurrection? — I found that unsustainable.”

Wallace went a step further to say he was “glad” the network agreed to pay Dominion Voting Systems millions of dollars to settle its defamation case. Dominion sued Fox in 2021 for airing false claims about its software that were being promoted by former President Trump and his allies after the 2020 election.

“To the degree that Fox was scared by the cost of calling Arizona correctly and people going to other more conservative outlets, there’s also a cost to lying and misrepresenting,” he said. “And I was happy to see that cost was being exacted.”

Trump, again the Republican nominee for president, has refused to concede defeat in the 2020 election and regularly singles out Wallace as part of his broader attacks on the media.

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Here's another article with more details:

https://www.huffpost.com/entry...59fde4b00a4f9829be9e

Chris Wallace Gives Unvarnished Brutal Truth About Why He Left Fox News

The veteran anchor didn't hold back this time in discussing his days at the conservative network.
By Ron Dicker
Oct 8, 2024, 02:31 PM EDT

(excerpt)

Wallace said a “firewall” between Fox News anchors and its opinionated personalities crumbled during the 2020 presidential election. The network’s calling of Arizona, a swing state, in Joe Biden’s favor and the subsequent backlash and viewer defection it suffered changed the culture, he said.

The erosion continued as Fox News downplayed the Jan. 6 Capitol attack after amplifying Donald Trump and his allies’ false claims that the election was stolen.

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The "firewall" comment is most interesting, re Wallace's role at Fox.

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https://www.npr.org/2023/02/28...-2020-election-fraud

Rupert Murdoch says Fox stars 'endorsed' lies about 2020. He chose not to stop them
February 28, 20235:00 AM ET

https://www.npr.org/2023/02/16...-trump-election-2020

Off the air, Fox News stars blasted the election fraud claims they peddled
February 16, 20237:28 PM ET

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https://www.nytimes.com/2023/0...Futl2&smid=url-share

Inside the Panic at Fox News After the 2020 Election
“If we hadn’t called Arizona,” said Suzanne Scott, the network’s chief executive, according to a recording reviewed by The New York Times, “our ratings would have been bigger.”

Here's the last four paragraphs from the article:

Mr. Murdoch was not keen on waiting. On Nov. 20, four days after the Zoom meeting, according to documents filed by Dominion, he told Ms. Scott, “Maybe best to let Bill go right away,” which would “be a big message with Trump people.”

Mr. Sammon, who had called every election correctly over 12 years at Fox and had just been offered a new three-year contract, was told that same day that his contract would not be renewed after all. He heard not from Fox but from his lawyer, Robert Barnett. Mr. Stirewalt was out too.

Fox would, in the end, wait until after Georgia to announce the purge, without attributing it to the Arizona call. Mr. Sammon, who negotiated a severance package, would call his departure a “retirement,” while Stirewalt’s dismissal was characterized as a “restructuring.”

Three weeks later, Fox announced a new multiyear contract extension for Ms. Scott.

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OKAY , with a little research I finally found what I was looking for:

https://www.nbcnews.com/politi...inion-suit-rcna72693

'I hate him passionately': Tucker Carlson was fed up with Trump after the 2020 election
Hundreds of pages of exhibits were the latest documents to be unsealed as part of Dominion Voting Systems' $1.6 billion defamation lawsuit against Fox News.

The whole article is worth reading, but I will excerpt the part I was specifically looking for:

The private comments were a far cry from what Carlson's viewers were used to hearing from the stalwart conservative host on his prime-time show every night.

“We’re all pretending we’ve got a lot to show for it, because admitting what a disaster it’s been is too tough to digest,” he wrote in another text message, referring to the "last four years." “But come on. There isn’t really an upside to Trump.”

The revelation is in hundreds of pages of testimony, private text messages and emails from top Fox News journalists and executives that were made public Tuesday, adding to the trove of documents that show a network in crisis after it alienated core viewers by reporting accurately on the results of the 2020 presidential election.

A judge unsealed the documents, along with parts of some employee depositions, as part of Dominion Voting Systems’ $1.6 billion defamation lawsuit against Fox News.

The messages are blunt and, at times, profane, as hosts and top executives panicked about how to boost their ratings as Trump refused to acknowledge his defeat. The depositions, meanwhile, offer the broadest picture yet of how executives including Fox Corp. Chairman Rupert Murdoch allowed baseless conspiracy theories to flourish on air.

Dominion's briefs previously revealed that top figures at Fox News privately blasted election fraud claims as "crazy" and "insane," even as the network aired them on television, and that top boss Murdoch considered some of Trump's voter fraud claims to be “bulls--- and damaging” yet acknowledged in a deposition that he did nothing to rein in hosts who were promoting the bogus claims in the days after the 2020 election.

“The emails, texts, and deposition testimony speak for themselves. We welcome all scrutiny of our evidence because it all leads to the same place — Fox knowingly spread lies causing enormous damage to an American company," a Dominion spokesman told NBC News.

Fox News has said it was "proud of our 2020 election coverage, which stands in the highest tradition of American journalism," and it argued that the Dominion lawsuit is designed only to garner headlines. Dominion argues that the First Amendment does not allow media outlets to broadcast conspiracy theories they know are false.

“As the dominant media company among those viewers dissatisfied with the election results, Fox gave these fictions a prominence they otherwise would never have achieved. With Fox’s global platform, an audience of hundreds of millions, and the inevitable and extensive republication and dissemination of the falsehoods through social media, these lies deeply damaged Dominion’s once-thriving business,” the 441-page lawsuit says. “Fox took a small flame and turned it into a forest fire.”

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Murdoch worried Sean Hannity and Laura Ingraham 'went too far'
In his email to Fox News CEO Suzanne Scott on Jan. 21, 2021, the day after Biden was inaugurated, Murdoch discussed the heat he was getting from GOP senators for stories suggesting the election had been stolen.

“Still getting mud thrown at us!” Murdoch wrote. “Maybe Sean and Laura went too far,” he continued, referring to prime-time hosts Sean Hannity and Laura Ingraham.

He also asked Scott whether it was “unarguable that high profile Fox voices fed the story that the election was stolen and that January 6th an important chance to have the result overturned.”

Scott punted the request to a group of executives, noting “please send specifics.”

Six hours later, Irena Briganti, the Fox News executive in charge of communications, responded with more than 15 pages of transcripts of examples.

Prime-time hosts were furious at the news division for its accurate election call
In a group text chain from mid-November, Hannity, Ingraham and Carlson complained about their news colleagues and the network’s decision to call Arizona in favor of Biden. Fox News was the first network to do so, and the call was accurate.

“Why would anyone defend that call,” Hannity asked.

“My anger at the news channel is pronounced,” Ingraham said later in the exchange.

Carlson piped in, saying: “It should be. We devote our lives to building an audience and they let Chris Wallace and Leland [expletive] Vittert wreck it. Too much.”

Wallace and Vittert were Fox News hosts and anchors at the time.

Maria Bartiromo said she would not refer to Biden as the president-elect on air
In text messages with Bannon on Nov. 10, 2020, Fox News host Maria Bartiromo said, "Omg I'm so depressed. I can't take this," and lamented how upsetting it was to watch the "world move forward."

"I want to see massive fraud exposed. Will he be able to turn this around," she added, referring to Trump. "I told my team we are not allowed to say pres elect at all. Not in scripts or in banners on air. Until this moves through the courts."

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Here's the exact quote I was looking for:

Carlson piped in, saying: “It should be. We devote our lives to building an audience (by radicalizing, amplifying lies and lying and exploiting with no concern for our harm to the nation) and they let Chris Wallace and Leland [expletive] Vittert wreck it. Too much.”

Carlson was whining and indignant about the ratings. He didn't own his dishonesty or the real harm. I inserted the words which explain what Carlson really should have owned.