Day 1 and the Faction has shown the goal is not to govern.

The Speaker of the House is a Constitutional Office. There has to be one.

None of these folks want or will debate/bring a bill forward to improve boarder security and provide a path to long term migrants who want to participate in the American Dream with a legal status;

None of these folks want to work about bringing down the cost of healthcare and access within a model that maintains a Capitalist system;

None of these people want to address the Hard Truth that whomever is Speaker must bring a measure to the floor to Fund the Government and raise the debt limit. One may not like that. Yet, it is the immediate truth.

The sad part is McCarthy has agreed to empower the Faction like never before. Still not enough.

Now, the Faction here does not pay attention to this. What they care about is what’s ex people are having w adults, and now music lyrics that private companies refuse to play.

The Bipartisan Border Solutions act was introduced in 2021 by Tony Gonzales.
Congress did fuck all with it.

Congress generally does fuck all with anything really needed. They are too busy campaigning for reelection.

they keep it up and hakeem will end up as speaker.

bunch of dumbasses.

GOP dysfunction? More like GOP idiots whose party has been taken over by morons. The republicans take the house and they can't elect a speaker?

Thanks trump.... and all you idiots that voted for him.

I Never thought I would ever agree with Mike Mitchell !

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Originally posted by bentaframe:
I Never thought I would ever agree with Mike Mitchell !

(But just on this one post).

McCarthy is the epitome of a political prostitute. Yet he's the contender for speaker.

He's advocating such things as gutting the ethics oversight on congress, and a lot more.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news...4f3aa3bfa08db365bb9a

Politicians who joined the Trump cult will eventually see their demise -- Kevin McCarthy saw his today: op-ed
Story by Sky Palma • 3h ago

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From what I've read, the opposition is not because he's feckless, but because he's not feckless enough.

Power over Principle. Any means necessary to secure enough MAGA House member votes to get over. He has given the Faction everything; including, making it easy for them to remove him.

I do not see a path toward. The Constitution never contemplated this level of stupid. A Speaker must be chosen.

I do not see a way out of this, nor an answer.

Makes it look like the GOO cannot be trusted with power even more.

Oh, I heard a former R Congressman say today that when McCarty first whipped for the Speaker, he told everyone there would be no votes on the boarder.

Dr. Easter, that is your Boarder saving MAGA, President Trump mitigating Republican Congressman.

Selling out your values to be an obstructionist.

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Constitution never contemplated

Magnificent -
A Document that contemplates.

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political prostitute

ss most truly “successful”
“ career” politician’s are

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Originally posted by DuggaBoye:

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Constitution never contemplated

Magnificent -
A Document that contemplates.

Yes, the document is not a line by line paragraph of what is suppose to happen. It sets the guidelines of political power and legitimacy. It’s drafting never foresaw and makes no provision for this stupidity.

The Dems have a minority leader chosen.

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Originally posted by LHeym500:
provide a path to long term migrants who want to participate in the American Dream with a legal status;

Why do we need to allow illegal immigrants to gain legal status?

Doing so will just encourage more illegal immigrants to cross, believing that they will also gain legal status eventually.

There is already a path to legal status: sneak back to your home country and apply, then wait in line for years, just like everyone else.

And why should we reward people who break our immigration laws?

I agree with JBrown this time. Giving green cards to those who have broken our law sends the wrong message and may deprive someone who's followed our application process of their own green card.

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Originally posted by jdollar:
Congress generally does fuck all with anything really needed. They are too busy campaigning for reelection.

Once elected, the person HAS to deliverer least 90% of what he or she has promised to do.

Failing which, they are automatically BANNED from holding office for LIFE!

And the circular firing squad begins. A few nutjobs not able to see how thin the margin is that they hold in the House and now they want to try to force their far right agenda on the whole country. This should do wonders for the approval ratings of Congress in general and the Republicans specifically. Looks like foreshadowing of the 2024 race to nominate a presidential candidate to me. If Biden wins a second term it will not be through his own doing.

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Originally posted by JBrown:

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Originally posted by LHeym500:
provide a path to long term migrants who want to participate in the American Dream with a legal status;

Why do we need to allow illegal immigrants to gain legal status?


Doing so will just encourage more illegal immigrants to cross, believing that they will also gain legal status eventually.

There is already a path to legal status: sneak back to your home country and apply, then wait in line for years, just like everyone else.

And why should we reward people who break our immigration laws?

Because there is not the political support in Congress nor the population to deport 20 million people who are long term migrants.

Because the load then on a plane position will see more Dems win.

Few points:
1) I think McCarthy should be elected
2) Trump recommended him
3) this circumstance is not unprecedented

Thats funny, why does D. Vicente Gonzales, propose doing exactly that?

I cannot think I’m the last 20!years going on day 2 and still no Speaker.

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Originally posted by JBrown:

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Originally posted by LHeym500:
provide a path to long term migrants who want to participate in the American Dream with a legal status;

Why do we need to allow illegal immigrants to gain legal status?

Doing so will just encourage more illegal immigrants to cross, believing that they will also gain legal status eventually.

There is already a path to legal status: sneak back to your home country and apply, then wait in line for years, just like everyone else.

And why should we reward people who break our immigration laws?

Because it solves a problem? It would mean that you people could stop bitching and crying about undocumented workers coming into the country. But, it's clear you don't want to solve the problem, you just want to whine about it.

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Originally posted by ledvm:
Few points:
1) I think McCarthy should be elected
2) Trump recommended him
3) this circumstance is not unprecedented

Well, it doesn't look like he is going to be. The fringe whackjobs in your party are seeing to that. Looks like Scalise is on deck.

As for the "circumstance", it's absurd. The GOP is a dysfunctional clown car and this little episode is a perfect microcosm of it. You've let right-wing lunatics infiltrate your party and now you pay the price when those lunatics don't want to play fair.

What were seeing today is what we can expect to see until the next election. Dysfunction and paralysis. Nothing is going to get done because the GOP has handed the reins of power to a few nutjobs who will drive the agenda.

I like Steve Scalise.

The system seems to be working as designed. I thought you Libs liked letting the system work things through. It may be unusual…but it is not unprecedented and has occurred in the last 100 years.

McCarthy is stuck. He is too close to President Trump for the moderates and (after giving the farm away) cannot get the Faction.

People want Congress to make the best solution. Not do nothing.

The system requires a Speaker. GOP cannot even set a Speaker. That is bad for the GOP.

Dens got their Minority Leadrr in place like adults.

McCarthy should have known from his last experience and been working on building the alliances. This is a reflection on his leadership skills.

9 ballots in 1923
And 133 over a month in 1856

The government went on to function fine.

All the faction is doing is delaying the necessary work of Government. Performance Art to get the Faction here to send donations.

That is what conservative politics has become. Non starter, no policy, grand standing for fundraising of of complaints with no solutions.

The Faction are jokes and not serious people.

There are rumblings about cutting a deal with Dems to get to 218. That is unprecedented in my life time to even discuss that.

Jeffries just got 212 votes. That was the most votes of anyone. He is pro abortion access. That tells me the Faction’s views of the GOP is less liked; even as McCarty sells out to them. He is still in second place.

Now, there is no way Jeffries will go over, but here we are. A Dem in the Minority for 4 votes now has got the most votes 5 votes in a row.

When you have to go back over 100 plus years for two examples for politics, you are not on good ground.

They cannot even get a vote to adjourn to try to work this out.

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When you have to go back over 100 plus years for two examples for politics, you are not on good ground.

Of Course:
just destroy any history that you do not agree with or that offends you in some way--

good grief

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Originally posted by ledvm:
McCarthy should have known from his last experience and been working on building the alliances. This is a reflection on his leadership skills.

9 ballots in 1923
And 133 over a month in 1856

The government went on to function fine.

This is entirely a function of nuts like Jim Jordan and Matt Gaetz. Who, I am certain you embrace and agree with.

They are extremists and your statement that this situation is normal is silly. And, you know it.

Tell me MM how it solves a problem to make them all legal? The US did that under Reagan, and they just keep pouring in with no check on them. A check I might add, the Dems said they would do when Reagan gave them amnesty.
Until the border is secure, how can amnesty work?
Just because Heym doesnt want to read, doesnt mean there have been no plans put forward.
Plans have been brought forth by both parties. The dems wouldnt even work with their own Gonzales on The Safe Zone Act.

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Originally posted by theback40:
Tell me MM how it solves a problem to make them all legal? The US did that under Reagan, and they just keep pouring in with no check on them. A check I might add, the Dems said they would do when Reagan gave them amnesty.
Until the border is secure, how can amnesty work?
Just because Heym doesnt want to read, doesnt mean there have been no plans put forward.
Plans have been brought forth by both parties. The dems wouldnt even work with their own Gonzales on The Safe Zone Act.

Why not let them in and let them work?

What's the problem with that?

I never said “normal”…I said not unprecedented.

This is actually a failure on the behalf of McCarthy. A total lack of leadership and preparation. He should withdraw.

Jordan supported McCarthy and I believe Gaetz as well.

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Originally posted by Mike Mitchell:

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Originally posted by theback40:
Tell me MM how it solves a problem to make them all legal? The US did that under Reagan, and they just keep pouring in with no check on them. A check I might add, the Dems said they would do when Reagan gave them amnesty.
Until the border is secure, how can amnesty work?
Just because Heym doesnt want to read, doesnt mean there have been no plans put forward.
Plans have been brought forth by both parties. The dems wouldnt even work with their own Gonzales on The Safe Zone Act.

Why not let them in and let them work?

What's the problem with that?

I support letting them work but how?

It is illegal to work them. Temporary work visa???

I'm all for a work visa for them, but they need to be vetted, not invaded to get here.

I agree 100 percent TomP.

Any gang affliction, any violent crime, any lying, after a period and a person had not come toward to be documented, then deport and never allow them to migrate (legally).

The 20 insurrectionists (they are not rebels) are interested nothing but their own power. They are collecting a shit load of money from being contrary. They get on Tucker Carlson’s show and talk about working for Americans. It’s a crock.

I disagree with Lheym on this issue: Trump wasn’t the major cause of this. Since America’s inception there has been a small percentage that are anti-government. More than decade ago we got the teabaggers

Again, this crew of 20, are merely acting out the thoughts and beliefs of the Qanon and disenfranchised. The bottom line is that this group sole desire is to “own the libs.” They like the likes of Putin more than AOC

I cannot believe it. Figured this would end this evening with McCarty bowing out, it him giving in to the one vote to vacate demand.

This goes on to Day 4.

How many failed votes is it now 4.

The Faction here can say what they want. I listened to a lot of small town, non political Rs talking at lunch today about how embarrassing this is.

They do not care what happened in the 34th Congress.

I know what I would do if o were McCarty. I would tell the Faction yes on everything; even the one vote to bring motion to vacate.

Then, once I had the Speakership, I and the majority of 200 would give these nuts nothing. No new rules. No Committees. Nothing.

The last I saw on BBC was 11 failed votes for McCarthy.

This takes me back to Clinton era when a small minority tried to hold the country to ransom. Newt Gingrich played hard ball and fathered the extreme right wing intransigence.

Karl Rove strategised this direction and Ted Cruz fine tuned it with the Tea Party.

This is not funny at all. It most sad and tragic.

How much of this was caused by Putin's mind games with his Bot farms in Europe sowing seeds of ideological hate and polarisation?

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Originally posted by LHeym500:
I cannot believe it. Figured this would end this evening with McCarty bowing out, it him giving in to the one vote to vacate demand.

This goes on to Day 4.

How many failed votes is it now 4.

The Faction here can say what they want. I listened to a lot of small town, non political Rs talking at lunch today about how embarrassing this is.

They do not care what happened in the 34th Congress.

I know what I would do if o were McCarty. I would tell the Faction yes on everything; even the one vote to bring motion to vacate.

Then, once I had the Speakership, I and the majority of 200 would give these nuts nothing. No new rules. No Committees. Nothing.

And now you know exactly why they won’t vote him.