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Is this like those "sovereign citizen" videos you see on "Cops" or Tik Tok?


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70% of the population in Colonial America didn’t believe in individual sovereignty before the Revolutionary War…
 
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Is this the start of the break up of the UNITED part?


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Is this the start of the break up of the UNITED part?


Not necessarily.
The colonies were united under the British Crown - until they weren’t.
Then they were united in the rebellion.

It’s funny, all the talk of the “end of the American experiment” and yet few seem to consider what may be next if it’s not socialism or outright communism.
What if that path is rejected by the majority?
What then?
 
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The path as you say to socialism or communism has already been rejected. It never was or is on the table. It's a rightist's fantasy.

But in order to thwart the fantasy, rightists are more than willing to embrace fascism.


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The Congress,
whenever two thirds of both houses shall deem it necessary,
shall propose amendments to this Constitution,
or,
on the application of the legislatures of two thirds of the several states,
shall call a convention for proposing amendments,
which,
in either case,
shall be valid to all intents and purposes,
as part of this Constitution,
when ratified by the legislatures of three fourths of the several states,
or by conventions in three fourths thereof,
as the one or the other mode of ratification may be proposed by the Congress;
provided that no amendment which may be made prior to the year one thousand eight hundred and eight shall in any manner affect the first and fourth clauses in the ninth section of the first article;
and that no state,
without its consent,
shall be deprived of its equal suffrage in the Senate


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“The path as you say to socialism or communism has already been rejected. It never was or is on the table.“

I thought you were a consumer of the main stream media.
This has most definitely not been taken off the table.
Give Bernie Sanders a call and tell him he’s all wet…
 
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The path as you say to socialism or communism has already been rejected. It never was or is on the table. It's a rightist's fantasy.

But in order to thwart the fantasy, rightists are more than willing to embrace fascism.


Diversity Equity and Inclusion policies say otherwise.
 
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Diversity and Inclusion have become the new Political Correctness.

And we all know where that lead too.

What happened to us all being equal?

And get the best person for the job?

Instead of giving preferences to certain skin colors and freaks of narure?


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There have been "calls" for a concon since the 80s / -- though once the genie is out of the bottle, there's no putting it back, and literally EVERYTHING can be on the table, as the result could be an entirely new Const


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There have been "calls" for a concon since the 80s / -- though once the genie is out of the bottle, there's no putting it back, and literally EVERYTHING can be on the table, as the result could be an entirely new Const


That is what happened the first time. Unlike, Dugga and his group, I am generally happy with the state of Federal and State power.

The answers are Fed Court and debated in Congress; not a new and improved Constitution.

There are exceptions in result, but I accept the process.

Because one Senator is a Socialist does not mean the Nation-State embraced socialism or communism. That means under our Government both Fed and State we allow political debate with representation of multi party at the “people’s will.”

Now, I understand to Dugga Sanders’ socialism is worse than the KKK who cannot get elected anymore.

However, I believe the Parties can have control through rules who runs are their ticket (not unlimited). I would articulate a set of rules that would keep a Klan man off the GOP ballot. Yet, if the KKK want to run their own candidates. So, be it. If those candidates win (legally), they win. This would be just like Sanders.

The fact Sanders can win in his state as a socialist and no one can win as an announced Klan candidate anymore does not bother me.

I would like a balanced budget amendment. I do not think this should be necessary, but I would like an amendment allowing abortion up to 21 weeks and then for rape, incest, health of mother, health of fetus amendment. I would like a gay marriage/marriage equality amendment. I would also like to see an Amendment codifying as an amendment Lawrence V Texas. Finally, an Amendment that says the Amendments do apply as restrictions upon the states. Again, I do not think these is necessary as we already have an Amendment that says that being the 14th.

What would happen is as follows; Texas would try to lead a correlation to repeal or void the 13-14th Amendments, expressly codify the state’s role in marriage, sex, religion, ban certain parties from elections. Allow the border states to regulate migration inside a their portion of the border.

States led by either New York or California would seek a true, Originalist interpretation of the 2nd Amendment. There would be some calls for land distribution, maybe only Federally owned land. Those states would seek to Federalize election policy further. The issue long feared is quota representation would be pushed hard as Federally required. Quota representation means X percentage of Alabama is black. Thus, Alabama must reserve X seats in the House or state legislature for African American representatives. These states would run the inverse of all the above by Texas group.

The whole thing would be cluster that could result in States leaving unionization. That result would be a return to the First Confederacy with regionally aligned states, or worse civil war to keep those who walkout in. The victors then imposing the Full Monty in the peace that becomes our new Federal Law.
 
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Now, I understand to Dugga Sanders’ socialism is worse than the KKK who cannot get elected anymore.


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I will just ask you.

Do you believe a Socialist Party Candidate be allowed to set in the Congress if the candidate wins an election?

Or do you believe Socialist Party should be banned by law to set in Congress?
 
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What then?


The path as you say to socialism or communism has already been rejected. It never was or is on the table. It's a rightist's fantasy.





I always shake my head at the liberals who, when faced with an uncomfortable fact that they can’t defeat, smirk and reply “wow, this really triggered you” or “wow, you conservatives sure are afraid of that boogie man…”

Not exactly the highest form of discourse.

But I have to give you the benefit of the doubt and guess that I have misunderstood you. I am left to wonder if you don’t see the expansion of social programs, calls for universal basic income, and their newest refrain “equity of outcome”, as markers of a slow socialistic revolution within our hybrid capitalistic/socialistic system.

And I can’t believe that you truly believe that Bernie is the only socialist in congress. Is that any different than the conservatives who deny that there are extremists(racists, misogynists, etc.) in their party?

And before you call me a fascist, I should tell you know that I voted for Bearnie and I wish that he would have won in 2016. I did so knowing that he wouldn’t be able to turn the country into a socialist state, but I looked forward to his presidency as a chance to show that the democrats are a lot more “fiscally republican” than they claim to be while stumping for votes to those who clamor for a redistribution of wealth. Ironically, Trump did the same thing to the republicans when they were “unable to secure the votes” to repeal Obamacare.1

Imagine a conservative using such rhetoric:
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The path as you say to fascism or white supremacy has already been rejected. It never was or is on the table. It's a leftist's fantasy.


Would you be swayed by such logic??


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Just tell yourself, "it's all part of the adventure." Remember, if Robert Ruark had gotten upset every time problems with Harry
Selby's flat bed truck delayed the safari, Horn of the Hunter would have read like an indictment of Selby. But Ruark rolled with the punches, poured some gin, and enjoyed the adventure.

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I will just ask you.

Do you believe a Socialist Party Candidate be allowed to set in the Congress if the candidate wins an election?

Or do you believe Socialist Party should be banned by law to set in Congress?



My knee jerk reaction was to discount that question on the grounds that it flies in the face of the democratic principles that this country was founded on, and that conservatives profess to uphold. But then I wondered if you might be on to something: maybe our conservative members really are so unprincipled that they can’t see their own hypocrisy?

I would like to know the answer to that question.


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Hunting in Africa is an adventure. The number of variables involved preclude the possibility of a perfect hunt. Some problems will arise. How you decide to handle them will determine how much you enjoy your hunt.

Just tell yourself, "it's all part of the adventure." Remember, if Robert Ruark had gotten upset every time problems with Harry
Selby's flat bed truck delayed the safari, Horn of the Hunter would have read like an indictment of Selby. But Ruark rolled with the punches, poured some gin, and enjoyed the adventure.

-Jason Brown
 
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I don't know how any Socialist can stand and honestly take the oath to "support and defend the Constitution of The United States".

I know I'm dreaming, but I'd like to see every Congressman or Senator, who sponsors a Bill or piece of legislation which is found to be unconstitutional, removed from office.
 
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I don't know how any Socialist can stand and honestly take the oath to "support and defend the Constitution of The United States".

I know I'm dreaming, but I'd like to see every Congressman or Senator, who sponsors a Bill or piece of legislation which is found to be unconstitutional, removed from office.


Specifically, what part of the constitution would a socialist not be able to support and defend?


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Hunting in Africa is an adventure. The number of variables involved preclude the possibility of a perfect hunt. Some problems will arise. How you decide to handle them will determine how much you enjoy your hunt.

Just tell yourself, "it's all part of the adventure." Remember, if Robert Ruark had gotten upset every time problems with Harry
Selby's flat bed truck delayed the safari, Horn of the Hunter would have read like an indictment of Selby. But Ruark rolled with the punches, poured some gin, and enjoyed the adventure.

-Jason Brown
 
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I don't know how any Socialist can stand and honestly take the oath to "support and defend the Constitution of The United States".

I know I'm dreaming, but I'd like to see every Congressman or Senator, who sponsors a Bill or piece of legislation which is found to be unconstitutional, removed from office.


So everyone who voted for the Affordable Care Act deserve(Ed) to stay in office?
 
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I don't know how any Socialist can stand and honestly take the oath to "support and defend the Constitution of The United States".

I know I'm dreaming, but I'd like to see every Congressman or Senator, who sponsors a Bill or piece of legislation which is found to be unconstitutional, removed from office.


So everyone who voted for the Affordable Care Act deserve(Ed) to stay in office?


No, they didn't.
The ACA is unconstitutional, even as the SCOTUS ruled on it.
AFAIK, it's the only tax in American history which did not originate in the Senate which is where, constitutionally, all taxes must originate.
Nobody on the Right had the balls to fight it.
 
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You are mistaken. The S. Ct., did Rule on the ACA. The majority held it is constitutional. That is not debatable.

To say otherwise is either a mistake or a lie.


The S. Ct., majority is clear. The ACA is constitutional. Your statement is not correct.

Also, The House and not The Senate initiate Tax legislation. Besides the Power to raise revenue clause of the Constitution, here is a source for my position.

https://www.usa.gov/how-laws-a...ons%20and%20treaties.

The ACA was introduced and passed in the House first as procedurally required.
 
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There have been "calls" for a concon since the 80s / -- though once the genie is out of the bottle, there's no putting it back, and literally EVERYTHING can be on the table, as the result could be an entirely new Const


That is what happened the first time. Unlike, Dugga and his group, I am generally happy with the state of Federal and State power.

The answers are Fed Court and debated in Congress; not a new and improved Constitution.

There are exceptions in result, but I accept the process.

Because one Senator is a Socialist does not mean the Nation-State embraced socialism or communism. That means under our Government both Fed and State we allow political debate with representation of multi party at the “people’s will.”

Now, I understand to Dugga Sanders’ socialism is worse than the KKK who cannot get elected anymore.

However, I believe the Parties can have control through rules who runs are their ticket (not unlimited). I would articulate a set of rules that would keep a Klan man off the GOP ballot. Yet, if the KKK want to run their own candidates. So, be it. If those candidates win (legally), they win. This would be just like Sanders.

The fact Sanders can win in his state as a socialist and no one can win as an announced Klan candidate anymore does not bother me.

I would like a balanced budget amendment. I do not think this should be necessary, but I would like an amendment allowing abortion up to 21 weeks and then for rape, incest, health of mother, health of fetus amendment. I would like a gay marriage/marriage equality amendment. I would also like to see an Amendment codifying as an amendment Lawrence V Texas. Finally, an Amendment that says the Amendments do apply as restrictions upon the states. Again, I do not think these is necessary as we already have an Amendment that says that being the 14th.

What would happen is as follows; Texas would try to lead a correlation to repeal or void the 13-14th Amendments, expressly codify the state’s role in marriage, sex, religion, ban certain parties from elections. Allow the border states to regulate migration inside a their portion of the border.

States led by either New York or California would seek a true, Originalist interpretation of the 2nd Amendment. There would be some calls for land distribution, maybe only Federally owned land. Those states would seek to Federalize election policy further. The issue long feared is quota representation would be pushed hard as Federally required. Quota representation means X percentage of Alabama is black. Thus, Alabama must reserve X seats in the House or state legislature for African American representatives. These states would run the inverse of all the above by Texas group.

The whole thing would be cluster that could result in States leaving unionization. That result would be a return to the First Confederacy with regionally aligned states, or worse civil war to keep those who walkout in. The victors then imposing the Full Monty in the peace that becomes our new Federal Law.


Interesting post, thank you for making it Smiler
 
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You are mistaken. The S. Ct., did Rule on the ACA. The majority held it is constitutional. That is not debatable.

To say otherwise is either a mistake or a lie.

Taxes do not have to start in the Senate. Either House can introduce a tax.

The S. Ct., majority is clear. The ACA is constitutional. Your statement is not correct.

Also, The House and not The Senate initiate Tax legislation. Besides the Power to raise revenue clause of the Constitution, here is a source for my position.

https://www.usa.gov/how-laws-a...ons%20and%20treaties.

The ACA was introduced and passed in the House first as procedurally required.


WOW! You're right.
Where the hell did I get the idea that the Senate creates tax legislation - I was totally backwards.
Getting old I guess.
Carry on!
 
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Wow! Someone admitted to being wrong! On this forum.
 
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Nobody on the Right had the balls to fight it.



That in itself is a flat out lie. The right waged total war. There wasn't anything in it for the wealthiest anyway.
 
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The right waged total war. There wasn't anything in it for the wealthiest anyway.



I disagree. The republicans “failure” to defeat Obamacare was due to one simple fact: they did not want to defeat Obamacare.

Look at the facts, when the Republicans had the majority and could have repealed Obamacare, they allowed a couple of “rogue” senators to derail their efforts.

It made for great theater…

As far as there being no money in it for the rich??? How about all of the money that the pharmaceutical companies are giving to politicians, both Democrats and Republicans, as well as being the main sponsors of our news programs?

After all that they were able to negotiate into the ACA, there is no way the pharmaceutical companies will allow it to fail.

But on the other hand, maybe it was just a couple of Republicans who had a conscience…


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"You're not hard-core, unless you live hard-core."
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Hunting in Africa is an adventure. The number of variables involved preclude the possibility of a perfect hunt. Some problems will arise. How you decide to handle them will determine how much you enjoy your hunt.

Just tell yourself, "it's all part of the adventure." Remember, if Robert Ruark had gotten upset every time problems with Harry
Selby's flat bed truck delayed the safari, Horn of the Hunter would have read like an indictment of Selby. But Ruark rolled with the punches, poured some gin, and enjoyed the adventure.

-Jason Brown
 
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