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Some of y’all must need to go back to the 6th grade and learn some reading comprehension instead of looking at male genitalia.

I saw no mention in the OP or by me of banning any art or books.

Plenty of subject matter to use for example in 6th grade art without choosing that one. It was poor judgment.

High School would be appropriate not 6th grade. It appears that School Board exercised good judgement.

Further, the School Board is elected by the people of that district. They get to make that call. The will of the local community was expressed…just as it should be. The article was a success story of our system.

Horse Shit Lane. The David is one of the best known pieces of art ever created. Hardly pornagraphic, not inappropriate in the least.

What was poor judgement was to small minded moron's who ousted the teacher.

You saw no mention of banning art or books, yet a teacher was forced to resign for showing art to children. Maybe not banned but you will lose your job. Pretty much the same thing.

This whole parental rights movement is nothing but more culture war crap being pushed from the right. Exactly what DeSantis is planning on running on.

Nuts is what it is.

Nuts? Look in the mirror.

Plenty…I mean unlimited sculptures…to use for art examples to 12 year olds without picking that one. It was a clear-cut case of poor judgement…thus a clear-cut reason for reprimand.

Teachers and administration works for the school-board. School Board elected by the community. System worked as designed. Kudos to this board.

Why pick the David? It is only of of if not the most widely known example of Michelangelo's art. There is NOTHING inappropriate about the David....NOTHING.

What is nuts is you folks trying to push your ridiculous views upon the rest of us.

Parental rights are nothing more that culture war bullshit. I am so happy to see the pushback.

I think this is a loser issue, among many others, for the GOP. What a sad, sad group you have become.

If the community doesn’t like the decision…they can elect different school board members.

They should recall all of the prudish assholes.

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It’s when the tail is allowed to wag the dog. A class of 30? kids and it appears one or two parents are of the view that genitalia does not exist until high school. And those one or two set the standard everyone else has to live by.

Hardly a shining example of democratic process Lane. The teacher gets the boot and now what every other kid in the class is taught is defined by the views of a handful of modern day puritans.

I think my kids had sex ed around that age, certainly by 13.

Being an administrator means exercising good judgment. There was no “need” to use that particular sculpture in class for art as an example in this age group. Thousands of more appropriate examples could have been used and the kids been just as well educated.

This administrator knew 100% it might spark controversy (if not…a very dumb professional and should have been removed for being dumb). Knowing that and forging ahead made this person a poor administrator — cause to remove.

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. . . meanwhile in Texas a Republican legislator suggests that Lonesome Dove should be banned in high school as pornography.

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. . . meanwhile in Texas a Republican legislator suggests that Lonesome Dove should be banned in high school as pornography.

Must have been those lurid images of the Buffalo Heifer.

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It’s when the tail is allowed to wag the dog. A class of 30? kids and it appears one or two parents are of the view that genitalia does not exist until high school. And those one or two set the standard everyone else has to live by.

Hardly a shining example of democratic process Lane. The teacher gets the boot and now what every other kid in the class is taught is defined by the views of a handful of modern day puritans.

I think my kids had sex ed around that age, certainly by 13.

Being an administrator means exercising good judgment. There was no “need” to use that particular sculpture in class for art as an example in this age group. Thousands of more appropriate examples could have been used and the kids been just as well educated.

This administrator knew 100% it might spark controversy (if not…a very dumb professional and should have been removed for being dumb). Knowing that and forging ahead made this person a poor administrator — cause to remove.

We are never going to agree on this. Those kids are on the threshold of puberty, and pretending that nothing exists below waist level might make thier nutty parents feel better but it’s not helping the kids one iota.

I can see the same people using the same ridiculous judgements over other aspects of their kids education. Most kids that age will (sadly) have seen much worse on the internet and by preventing their exposure to it during normal education means the only way they have of assimilating what is going on with their bodies at that age is either the crap they see on the net or what their classmates tell them…

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. . . meanwhile in Texas a Republican legislator suggests that Lonesome Dove should be banned in high school as pornography.

Must have been those lurid images of the Buffalo Heifer.

Could have been the cattle. Have you seen the way those bulls behave in a public pasture? Someone cover the eyes of the children before they see something inappropriate.

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At the end of the day, I think this is just bad optics or stupidity in terms of the way the school handled it. Only three parents complained. Per the linked article, 98% of parents didn't have a problem with it. It seems pretty clear from this interview that the school was looking for a reason to fire this teacher based on past performance and they stupidly thought that the complaints about her showing her kids a photo of the statue provided them with an easy out. Dumb decision. It's clear from the linked article that she was an at-will employee per her contract with the school....that means they can fire her for any reason or no reason at all...other than race or gender.

I will say that those worrying about kids seeing the David must live in an imaginary world without the internet....which allows any kid access to every sort of imagery imaginable.

https://slate.com/human-intere...lo-david-statue.html

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And here you go…

It really wasn’t about artwork, but rather used as an excuse to get rid of someone they had issues with.

The left crowd gets to go on about the evil right wingers censoring and the right wingers go on about inappropriate items by student age and “grooming” complaints.

Both sides get their political agitation points from their base.

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At the end of the day, I think this is just bad optics or stupidity in terms of the way the school handled it. Only three parents complained. Per the linked article, 98% of parents didn't have a problem with it. It seems pretty clear from this interview that the school was looking for a reason to fire this teacher based on past performance and they stupidly thought that the complaints about her showing her kids a photo of the statue provided them with an easy out. Dumb decision. It's clear from the linked article that she was an at-will employee per her contract with the school....that means they can fire her for any reason or no reason at all...other than race or gender.

I will say that those worrying about kids seeing the David must live in an imaginary world without the internet....which allows any kid access to every sort of imagery imaginable.

https://slate.com/human-intere...lo-david-statue.html

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Only controversial among those of us that have lost their ever loving minds over religion. Those of us who remain sane see zero controversy in the David.

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Only controversial among those of us that have lost their ever loving minds over religion. Those of us who remain sane see zero controversy in the David.

I'm not sure why you circle back to the "religion" aspect of this story.
The school isn't a parochial or religious school, but is, in fact, a public charter school.
I can't speak as to why a few parents or the Board are so prudish about it, but you are showing your intolerance of religious here.

The truth is, the statue was originally commissioned by the Catholic Church to adorn the Cathedral of St. Mary of the Flower in Florence.

Maybe some of these secular public school students' parents are the wackos in this story.

I get what Lane is saying, but if your child hasn't seen an image of the statue of David by the time they are 12 years old, you are not doing your job as a parent.

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You have a point that some of the parents COULD be secular whackos, I doubt it though. Most folks who are that uptight about sex are also extremely religious.

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My son is 13. On spring break…my family and my son’s best friend’s family went camping and fishing down on the laguna madre.

One night we went into Corpus to eat seafood at a restaurant we like. It has big aquarium next to the restrooms. The boys went to look at the aquarium after we placed order. One of them went into the restroom and when he came out…they both went back in and shortly they both came out and were whispering to each other and giggling. We all noticed and wondered. After a couple of beers…I went to the restroom and on the wall was a pic of a naked lady with large breasts. I came back to the table and told the other adults that I knew what the boys were going into the restroom and giggling about. We all laughed.

If I was a parent at the school…even though I do feel age inappropriate for art discussion in 6th grade…I would have never said a word.

If I was a superintendent at a middle school though and had an art teacher who used that sculpture as an art example…I would have fired them. No need to use that sculpture in that age group as an art example. Plenty of non-controversial examples and any school administrator with a lick of sense would know it would be controversial for 6 graders. A school job is to educate without drama.

I also would worry about the mentality (sanity) of an adult that would choose nude art to discuss in class with a group of 12 year olds. It is just weird.

With kids failing reading, writing, and arithmetic routinely these days…they need to improve here. Absolutely zero need to run the risk of upsetting any parents by using a questionable age appropriate art example with 12 year olds…just plain stupid.

The system worked just like it should have in this situation.

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Texas kids don't "play doctor" when their parents aren't looking? Please...
My bullshit detector just bounced off the "11"peg and bent the needle.

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The School Board did not act appropriate. Your defense is pathetic.

Let’s not take 6th graders to the museum.

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The School Board did not act appropriate. Your defense is pathetic.

Let’s not take 6th graders to the museum.

It's not pathetic, it's what he wants for his kids.
His choice, his offspring.
He takes responsibility for his own.
His timing for the education of his kids in the manner he deems appropriate.
Not a concept you can wrap your head around we know.

From the nose bleed seats you think you need to dictate to us what we should do when, where and how regardless your neutrality, your immunity. As I've mentioned before, not for you to say. Get a kid or three and get back to us after two or six years.

Me, I personally would not have disagreed with the display of David to my kindergartner, but in a lengthy and detailed conversation after I'd of generalized, obfuscated, distracted and confused. My little girl an I have bigger issues to conquer than Renaissance.

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Don't like what is taught in public schools? Reach into your pocket and send your kid to a private school instead of trying to push your close minded views upon everyone else.

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I wonder sometimes if you actually like democracy or enjoy freedom.

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I wonder sometimes if you actually like democracy or enjoy freedom.

I love both, and value my freedom FROM your religion.

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I wonder sometimes if you actually like democracy or enjoy freedom.

I love both, and value my freedom FROM your religion.

Come to a school board meeting anywhere in north central Texas outside of the metroplex and you will enjoy freedom for a cigarette outside while a prayer is said. Hopefully you can muster the patriotism to come in for the Pledge.

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I have never been a smoker.

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I have religious friends and family who I cherish, none of whom try to push their views upon me. That is the difference.

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I have religious friends and family who I cherish, none of whom try to push their views upon me. That is the difference.

Are you with them in the voting booth?

This is a political forum. No reason to be here except to review and express political discourse.

If you knew me personally…you would find me the same.

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Don't like what is taught in public schools? Reach into your pocket and send your kid to a private school instead of trying to push your close minded views upon everyone else.

Not how the system works. There are school boards for a reason. School boards are elected and are accountable to the public. Everyone who pays gets say.

If the board members acted in a way you feel inappropriate you too can go have your say and…you can vote against them and even campaign for other people.

I wonder sometimes if you actually like democracy or enjoy freedom.

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Don't like what is taught in public schools? Reach into your pocket and send your kid to a private school instead of trying to push your close minded views upon everyone else.

Not how the system works. There are school boards for a reason. School boards are elected and are accountable to the public. Everyone who pays gets say.

If the board members acted in a way you feel inappropriate you too can go have your say and…you can vote against them and even campaign for other people.

I wonder sometimes if you actually like democracy or enjoy freedom.

Exactly.
Pathetic that over and over the shrill minority in any venue or subject is allowed to dictate to the minority and I'll say it again, me personally and my kid don't have a problem with David. SKB, what you do with your school board is fine with me.

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I count myself as religious, possibly some would see me as strongly so, but I see nothing whatsoever in the teachings of Christ which would cause me to think that this is anything other than utterly ridiculous.

It certainly wouldn’t cause me to hold my hands over my kids eyes as we walk around the Sistine chapel.

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I have religious friends and family who I cherish, none of whom try to push their views upon me. That is the difference.

Are you with them in the voting booth?

This is a political forum. No reason to be here except to review and express political discourse.

If you knew me personally…you would find me the same.

Obviously not, that is not really a question worth responding to but I will humor you.

I do know them well enough to know that none of them have bought into this political foolishness of the culture war to the point that they are attending school board meetings trying to push things like keeping 6th graders from seeing the David, nor do they support such actions.

You could be different in person Lane, but you sure come across online as incredibly pushy regarding your religious views. I happy for you that you found God, I just completely disagree that the Government(public schools) is the correct place for you to promote your religion.