Reality finally kicking in? He's a crook? An embarrassment? A buffoon? He's going to jail? But, he's the Republican frontrunner?

They are just trying to figure out how to spin it.

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Originally posted by Magine Enigam:
They are just trying to figure out how to spin it.

Usually doesn't take this long though.

They are waiting for their think rams the Steve Bannons, Fox News, Karl Roves, Gateway Pundit, Breitbart News, and Alex Jones types to tell them how to argue against the obvious.

You know taking time to critically think.

Lately, current events have caused me to reminisce:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YR5ApYxkU-U

I think I've been noticing that the strong Trump supporters here have been participating less in the pf for a while now, I'm sure reasons vary.

As far as this group goes, I have the opinion that most are so.e kind of reasonable, rational and at least understandable. Our friend here in the of that has committed to voting Republican regardless I can certainly understand and sympathize with,......I just can't get there myself. If he's not wrong, I can get by with saying it just doesn't seem right for me.

But I think anyone can bury themselves or be buried in their own or someone else's hubris. Some guy hugs a flag and says, "MAGA!" and we go along. I dunno maybe.

I've said many times I never did nor ever will support Trump , but regardless, I don't think I feel to argumentative theses days. I've got a riding lawnmower to work on tomorrow, time to put down the phone.

The bitches have for the most part moved to less challenging sites. That, and like what was said, they don’t know how to respond. A few of the brighter ones are probably laboring under cognitive dissonance.

These are not folks known for original thought. They need help from the conservative media purveyors of rubbish. Undoubtedly things like Tucker Carlson leaving Fox have left a bit of a void in their ability to get talking points on a timely basis.

When you have no game, it's best to sit it out.

I'll not say what I believe is happening, but most of you will know where I stand. The top levels of our government law enforcement agencies are beyond reproach when it bolsters your beliefs. Mengistu vs Haile Selassie comes to mind. Enjoy your "Dirge".

Let's get out our high pitched hysterical voice:

(Open full screen and click on CC)

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news...1cmsfM?ocid=msedgntp

Lol, you all are gay.

quote:

Originally posted by Scott King:
I think I've been noticing that the strong Trump supporters here have been participating less in the pf for a while now, I'm sure reasons vary.

As far as this group goes, I have the opinion that most are so.e kind of reasonable, rational and at least understandable. Our friend here in the of that has committed to voting Republican regardless I can certainly understand and sympathize with,......I just can't get there myself. If he's not wrong, I can get by with saying it just doesn't seem right for me.

But I think anyone can bury themselves or be buried in their own or someone else's hubris. Some guy hugs a flag and says, "MAGA!" and we go along. I dunno maybe.

I've said many times I never did nor ever will support Trump , but regardless, I don't think I feel to argumentative theses days. I've got a riding lawnmower to work on tomorrow, time to put down the phone.

Scott -

I'll give you my reasons for showing up, interacting then backing off.

Do you let someone call you a cocksucker to your face? or a fucking liar?

I didn't think so. Calling for civil debate in here isn't possible. It seems America is hopelessly broken.

If the facts as seen by millions aren't good enough I don't have anything to add. Example, the J6 committee was made up of 7 highly partisan Democrats and two never Trump republicans. The committee appointments were made by speaker Pelosi. The answer in here by the progressive leftist is "McCarthy wanted two partisan R's". Well no shit, she choose her attack dogs and two never Trump republicans, but the only republicans she chose were for sure against Trump.

When they only allow witnesses for one side, when they edit Trumps speech to remove "peacefully and patriotically". yet the Progressives claim it was fair? It was a produced theatric version of a lynching.

I've repeatedly stated "Put Trump in jail" If he is guilty of crimes, yes, put him in jail. I care more about my country then I do Trump. Yet the other side can't even get themselves to honestly look at potential crimes by their side.

The laws of this country need to be enforced blindly, regardless of politics. If not, we are no better than Venezuela or Russia.

Its all about scalps now.

The J6 "investigation" needed to happen. They included many republican witnesses' testimony.

Agreed?

The republicans wanted to sabotage it.

Agreed?

They did their best all along, through Fox News etc., to alt-narrative it, and after the fact too. No amount of evidence produced would have changed minds, especially on the right. We know what happened, why, the consequences and the arrests and convictions.

Agreed?

You have received multiple explanations as to why Trump's indictments are different, and others were investigated (some ongoing) yet not indicted. Yet you haven't changed your mind at all.

Agreed?

The composition of the January 6 commission was devoid of Republican participation because the Republicans chose not to play. The Republicans saw what happened on January 6, they were there and knew what an investigation into the events of that day was likely to show. They also knew the commission was always going to have a Democrat majority, that's the way things work in Congress when one party is in power. If we had a commission today, the Republicans would have the majority of the seats. So having been at the Capitol that day and knowing what went down, knowing they would have a minority of the seats on the commission, they said (1) we can participate in the process and in doing so lend credence to the process, or (2) we can take our ball and go home and complain about the process being biased, partisan, etc. They elected to do the latter. It's a bit hollow for Republicans to complain and moan about the commission process given that they consciously decided to boycott the process . . . and they boycotted the process because having been there and been in the middle of the event they had a pretty good idea of what an investigation was likely to conclude.

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Originally posted by Magine Enigam:
The J6 "investigation" needed to happen. They included many republican witnesses' testimony.

Agreed?

The republicans wanted to sabotage it.

Agreed?

They did their best all along, through Fox News etc., to alt-narrative it, and after the fact too. No amount of evidence produced would have changed minds, especially on the right. We know what happened, why, the consequences and the arrests and convictions.

Agreed?

You have received multiple explanations as to why Trump's indictments are different, and others were investigated (some ongoing) yet not indicted. Yet you haven't changed your mind at all.

Agreed?

So the disingenuous presentations, only showing partial facts are ok with you?

How many times must I repeat myself . . If Trump is guilty, jail him. BUT and here's my point, If Biden is guilty of taking bribes from Romania or Ukraine or Russia or worse yet, China. lets pursue him, just as aggressively and Trump. There's no guts from left, simply because it's all about scalps.

I'm pretty sure nobody could argue the HRC got away with obstruction of Justice, yet nobody cares. I care. I want ALL sides held to the very same standards.

I remember back when Trump said "They're wire-tapping my campaign" everyone thought he was nuts, turned out he was right, yet crickets??

Spying on a political rivals campaign is ok with the left? The ends justify the means?

Thats my point. Political Party Solidarity- the new Patriotism.

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Originally posted by MJines:
The composition of the January 6 commission was devoid of Republican participation because the Republicans chose not to play. The Republicans saw what happened on January 6, they were there and knew what an investigation into the events of that day was likely to show. They also knew the commission was always going to have a Democrat majority, that's the way things work in Congress when one party is in power. If we had a commission today, the Republicans would have the majority of the seats. So having been at the Capitol that day and knowing what went down, knowing they would have a minority of the seats on the commission, they said (1) we can participate in the process and in doing so lend credence to the process, or (2) we can take our ball and go home and complain about the process being biased, partisan, etc. They elected to do the latter. It's a bit hollow for Republicans to complain and moan about the commission process given that they consciously decided to boycott the process . . . and they boycotted the process because having been there and been in the middle of the event they had a pretty good idea of what an investigation was likely to conclude.

OK, I'll even agree. Yet the disingenuous presentation of partial statements and videos is OK with you?

Here's a clip that might help you understand my stance. Clapper lies to congress, plain and simple. Yet he goes free and he actually is a CNN contributor FFS.

He is (was) an internal part of the Government cabal. The reason that cabal is allowed to operate with impunity, is that it favors the leftist side of the levers of power in Washington.

I want the three letter agencies to play it straight down the middle and they don't. I want all sides to be held accountable.

Go to 1:45.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9LKzAsIMUx8

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Originally posted by Steve Ahrenberg:
Here's a clip that might help you understand my stance. Clapper lies to congress, plain and simple. Yet he goes free and he actually is a CNN contributor FFS.

He is (was) an internal part of the Government cabal. The reason that cabal is allowed to operate with impunity, is that it favors the leftist side of the levers of power in Washington.

I want the three letter agencies to play it straight down the middle and they don't. I want all sides to be held accountable.

Go to 1:45.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9LKzAsIMUx8

You're just like every other trumptard. The voting machines cant be trusted, the courts cant be trusted, the media cant b e trusted blah blah blah blah. The only thing you can trust is trump.

Nuts.

If trump weren’t a childish sociopath piece of shit, we wouldn’t be here. He didn’t have to steal documents. He didn’t have to keep documents and lie about it when asked to give them back. He didn’t have to lie about declassifying them telepathically (or get his pile of shit from Dinesh D’Souza to lie for him). He didn’t have to claim he only kept empty folders. He didn’t have to claim the documents were his to take. Pull your god damned heads out of your asses. Donald trump put himself in this mess. You fucking stupid, shit for brained crybabies need to put on your big boy pants. I hate to be the one to break this to you, but worshipping a dumb bastard doesn’t mean to get to overthrow the government and install a dictator.

Trump is a loser. Fuck your feelings.

Also- there is a much easier path to living in a dictatorship; apply for asylum in Belarus. Bonus: they’re accepting dipshits. Here’s dipshit Evan Neumann on tv in Belarus. The caption says “Goodbye, America”. He fled there because he’s a head up ass insurrectionist.

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Originally posted by Steve Ahrenberg:

quote:

Originally posted by MJines:
The composition of the January 6 commission was devoid of Republican participation because the Republicans chose not to play. The Republicans saw what happened on January 6, they were there and knew what an investigation into the events of that day was likely to show. They also knew the commission was always going to have a Democrat majority, that's the way things work in Congress when one party is in power. If we had a commission today, the Republicans would have the majority of the seats. So having been at the Capitol that day and knowing what went down, knowing they would have a minority of the seats on the commission, they said (1) we can participate in the process and in doing so lend credence to the process, or (2) we can take our ball and go home and complain about the process being biased, partisan, etc. They elected to do the latter. It's a bit hollow for Republicans to complain and moan about the commission process given that they consciously decided to boycott the process . . . and they boycotted the process because having been there and been in the middle of the event they had a pretty good idea of what an investigation was likely to conclude.

OK, I'll even agree. Yet the disingenuous presentation of partial statements and videos is OK with you?

So you believe that the political process is supposed to fair and balanced and only interested in the unbiased pursuit of the truth? Have you ever wondered why there are two sides? If only one team shows up I would expect that the game is going to be a little lopsided. Maybe in a land of fairytales and unicorns we could expect that everyone comes to the table in an unbiased attempt to just be fair and find the truth, but that is not and never has been the real world especially in politics. The Republicans decided that their political interests were better served to not participate in the process and then take pot shots at the process after the fact. I bit disingenuous to take that tack and then whine about the result.

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Originally posted by Steve Ahrenberg:
Here's a clip that might help you understand my stance. Clapper lies to congress, plain and simple. Yet he goes free and he actually is a CNN contributor FFS.

He is (was) an internal part of the Government cabal. The reason that cabal is allowed to operate with impunity, is that it favors the leftist side of the levers of power in Washington.

I want the three letter agencies to play it straight down the middle and they don't. I want all sides to be held accountable.

Go to 1:45.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9LKzAsIMUx8

You take one instance and extrapolate or expand that into something massive. You are desperate for evidence to support what you already believe.

https://www.politifact.com/art...mony-one-year-later/

James Clapper's testimony one year later

Another thing to think about Steve. One of your gripes is that people are being played by the system. Your posts about the flaws in the January 6 commission essentially validate the political approach the Republican leadership took regarding the commission. They said our political interests will be better served to not participate in the commission and then complain about the process after the fact. Voila! We have someone on this thread complaining about the January 6 commission process. One might ask, who is the person really being played and carrying the water for the system?

quote:

Originally posted by Steve Ahrenberg:

quote:

Originally posted by Scott King:
I think I've been noticing that the strong Trump supporters here have been participating less in the pf for a while now, I'm sure reasons vary.

As far as this group goes, I have the opinion that most are so.e kind of reasonable, rational and at least understandable. Our friend here in the of that has committed to voting Republican regardless I can certainly understand and sympathize with,......I just can't get there myself. If he's not wrong, I can get by with saying it just doesn't seem right for me.

But I think anyone can bury themselves or be buried in their own or someone else's hubris. Some guy hugs a flag and says, "MAGA!" and we go along. I dunno maybe.

I've said many times I never did nor ever will support Trump , but regardless, I don't think I feel to argumentative theses days. I've got a riding lawnmower to work on tomorrow, time to put down the phone.

Scott -

I'll give you my reasons for showing up, interacting then backing off.

Do you let someone call you a cocksucker to your face? or a fucking liar?

I didn't think so. Calling for civil debate in here isn't possible. It seems America is hopelessly broken.

If the facts as seen by millions aren't good enough I don't have anything to add. Example, the J6 committee was made up of 7 highly partisan Democrats and two never Trump republicans. The committee appointments were made by speaker Pelosi. The answer in here by the progressive leftist is "McCarthy wanted two partisan R's". Well no shit, she choose her attack dogs and two never Trump republicans, but the only republicans she chose were for sure against Trump.

When they only allow witnesses for one side, when they edit Trumps speech to remove "peacefully and patriotically". yet the Progressives claim it was fair? It was a produced theatric version of a lynching.

I've repeatedly stated "Put Trump in jail" If he is guilty of crimes, yes, put him in jail. I care more about my country then I do Trump. Yet the other side can't even get themselves to honestly look at potential crimes by their side.

The laws of this country need to be enforced blindly, regardless of politics. If not, we are no better than Venezuela or Russia.

Its all about scalps now.

Steve I certainly wasn't singling you out nor do you need to explain yourself to me or anyone else. This is just a sign discussion forum that hardly reaches any higher plane than Instagram. On Snapchat teenage girls run around making each other suicidal and on the pf middle aged white fellers raise each other's blood pressure.

FWIW, yes I would rather be liked than disliked by folks like Doc Lane and SKB, but it's nearly a guarantee I won't meet most so if Lheym or Shro hate me it just doesn't matter. I normally engage with real world people everyday, the Lilliputian from Houston doesn't count.

If we are to learn anything here it is to believe that eyewitness testimony is permanently flawed, peoples perception of reality can wildly diverge. What you and I see as truth just isn't the same as others or each other.

quote:

Originally posted by Scott King:

quote:

Originally posted by Steve Ahrenberg:

quote:

Originally posted by Scott King:
I think I've been noticing that the strong Trump supporters here have been participating less in the pf for a while now, I'm sure reasons vary.

As far as this group goes, I have the opinion that most are so.e kind of reasonable, rational and at least understandable. Our friend here in the of that has committed to voting Republican regardless I can certainly understand and sympathize with,......I just can't get there myself. If he's not wrong, I can get by with saying it just doesn't seem right for me.

But I think anyone can bury themselves or be buried in their own or someone else's hubris. Some guy hugs a flag and says, "MAGA!" and we go along. I dunno maybe.

I've said many times I never did nor ever will support Trump , but regardless, I don't think I feel to argumentative theses days. I've got a riding lawnmower to work on tomorrow, time to put down the phone.

Scott -

I'll give you my reasons for showing up, interacting then backing off.

Do you let someone call you a cocksucker to your face? or a fucking liar?

I didn't think so. Calling for civil debate in here isn't possible. It seems America is hopelessly broken.

If the facts as seen by millions aren't good enough I don't have anything to add. Example, the J6 committee was made up of 7 highly partisan Democrats and two never Trump republicans. The committee appointments were made by speaker Pelosi. The answer in here by the progressive leftist is "McCarthy wanted two partisan R's". Well no shit, she choose her attack dogs and two never Trump republicans, but the only republicans she chose were for sure against Trump.

When they only allow witnesses for one side, when they edit Trumps speech to remove "peacefully and patriotically". yet the Progressives claim it was fair? It was a produced theatric version of a lynching.

I've repeatedly stated "Put Trump in jail" If he is guilty of crimes, yes, put him in jail. I care more about my country then I do Trump. Yet the other side can't even get themselves to honestly look at potential crimes by their side.

The laws of this country need to be enforced blindly, regardless of politics. If not, we are no better than Venezuela or Russia.

Its all about scalps now.

Steve I certainly wasn't singling you out nor do you need to explain yourself to me or anyone else. This is just a sign discussion forum that hardly reaches any higher plane than Instagram. On Snapchat teenage girls run around making each other suicidal and on the pf middle aged white fellers raise each other's blood pressure.

FWIW, yes I would rather be liked than disliked by folks like Doc Lane and SKB, but it's nearly a guarantee I won't meet most so if Lheym or Shro hate me it just doesn't matter. I normally engage with real world people everyday, the Lilliputian from Houston doesn't count.

If we are to learn anything here it is to believe that eyewitness testimony is permanently flawed, peoples perception of reality can wildly diverge. What you and I see as truth just isn't the same as others or each other.

Scott -

I really don't put effort into being liked. But the obtuse name-calling makes civility impossible. Thats mu only point, once we lose civility, we are on a crash course to failure as a nation.

Our political leaders have successfully divided America. Once a place where what we all shared in common was far greater than that which divide us.

You and I have had our disagreements over the years, BUT neither one of us has resorted to calling one another cocksucker or a fucking liar.

There's just no room for it.

quote:

Originally posted by Steve Ahrenberg:

quote:

Originally posted by Scott King:

quote:

Originally posted by Steve Ahrenberg:

quote:

Originally posted by Scott King:
I think I've been noticing that the strong Trump supporters here have been participating less in the pf for a while now, I'm sure reasons vary.

As far as this group goes, I have the opinion that most are so.e kind of reasonable, rational and at least understandable. Our friend here in the of that has committed to voting Republican regardless I can certainly understand and sympathize with,......I just can't get there myself. If he's not wrong, I can get by with saying it just doesn't seem right for me.

But I think anyone can bury themselves or be buried in their own or someone else's hubris. Some guy hugs a flag and says, "MAGA!" and we go along. I dunno maybe.

I've said many times I never did nor ever will support Trump , but regardless, I don't think I feel to argumentative theses days. I've got a riding lawnmower to work on tomorrow, time to put down the phone.

Scott -

I'll give you my reasons for showing up, interacting then backing off.

Do you let someone call you a cocksucker to your face? or a fucking liar?

I didn't think so. Calling for civil debate in here isn't possible. It seems America is hopelessly broken.

If the facts as seen by millions aren't good enough I don't have anything to add. Example, the J6 committee was made up of 7 highly partisan Democrats and two never Trump republicans. The committee appointments were made by speaker Pelosi. The answer in here by the progressive leftist is "McCarthy wanted two partisan R's". Well no shit, she choose her attack dogs and two never Trump republicans, but the only republicans she chose were for sure against Trump.

When they only allow witnesses for one side, when they edit Trumps speech to remove "peacefully and patriotically". yet the Progressives claim it was fair? It was a produced theatric version of a lynching.

I've repeatedly stated "Put Trump in jail" If he is guilty of crimes, yes, put him in jail. I care more about my country then I do Trump. Yet the other side can't even get themselves to honestly look at potential crimes by their side.

The laws of this country need to be enforced blindly, regardless of politics. If not, we are no better than Venezuela or Russia.

Its all about scalps now.

Steve I certainly wasn't singling you out nor do you need to explain yourself to me or anyone else. This is just a sign discussion forum that hardly reaches any higher plane than Instagram. On Snapchat teenage girls run around making each other suicidal and on the pf middle aged white fellers raise each other's blood pressure.

FWIW, yes I would rather be liked than disliked by folks like Doc Lane and SKB, but it's nearly a guarantee I won't meet most so if Lheym or Shro hate me it just doesn't matter. I normally engage with real world people everyday, the Lilliputian from Houston doesn't count.

If we are to learn anything here it is to believe that eyewitness testimony is permanently flawed, peoples perception of reality can wildly diverge. What you and I see as truth just isn't the same as others or each other.

Scott -

I really don't put effort into being liked. But the obtuse name-calling makes civility impossible. Thats mu only point, once we lose civility, we are on a crash course to failure as a nation.

Our political leaders have successfully divided America. Once a place where what we all shared in common was far greater than that which divide us.

You and I have had our disagreements over the years, BUT neither one of us has resorted to calling one another cocksucker or a fucking liar.

There's just no room for it.

I'm glad you think I haven't lowered myself too low.

Civility here isn't the plan or intent and ain't gonna happen. I respect and appreciate your standards and I hope I continue to meet them, at least with you.

Best wishes.

Steve, I've been called several derogatory terms on this forum. I consider the source.

It's easy to turn that around, without reciprocating. I always say there are thousands of ways to say F U without using the literal words.

My advice is to get over it, don't take it personal, and be creative.

One example is that Scott and I get along "swimmingly" as he puts it. We disagree and agree sometimes, with no offense, and certainly no name calling.

Others, such as JTEX, name call. I just ignore it.

Taking it personal just distracts from your message and point of view. Don't give the satisfaction they crave to trolls.

quote:

Originally posted by Magine Enigam:
Steve, I've been called several derogatory terms on this forum. I consider the source.

It's easy to turn that around, without reciprocating. I always say there are thousands of ways to say F U without using the literal words.

My advice is to get over it, don't take it personal, and be creative.

One example is that Scott and I get along "swimmingly" as he puts it. We disagree and agree sometimes, with no offense, and certainly no name calling.

Others, such as JTEX, name call. I just ignore it.

Taking it personal just distracts from your message and point of view. Don't give the satisfaction they crave to trolls.

You old softie! If you were within arms reach I'd give you a big smooch on the cheek!

A cyber smooch is better.

Which cheek?

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news...1co90t?ocid=msedgntp


Trumpism has metastasized

quote:

Originally posted by Magine Enigam:
A cyber smooch is better.

Which cheek?

Gave me a good outloud laugh!

You set yourself up for that one. I couldn't resist. I figured you would

Steve, you state:

quote:

. If Trump is guilty, jail him. BUT and here's my point, If Biden is guilty of taking bribes from Romania or Ukraine or Russia or worse yet, China. lets pursue him, just as aggressively and Trump.

Nobody disagrees with that. The problem is Jack Smith has put the evidence out there. Who has put the evidence out there about Biden? And what is that evidence?

If you are sincere I. Your desire for civil debate, put it out there and we will engage.

I display one of your first posts:

“I'm actually a bit surprised to see a post such as this from a cerebral guy like you. You are actually supporting a persecution of political opposition, by a justice department, completely controlled by his potential opponent in the next election.

This is the Soviet Union or Venezuela, no better. “

Afar cry from your current position: “ I just want equal Justice.”

https://thehill.com/homenews/m...ing-biden-informant/

Scarborough mocks GOP lawmaker over ‘missing’ Biden informant

“So, comrade, you’re telling me you’ve lost another submarine?” Scaborough said on his show Monday, making fun of Comer. “Come on, you lost an informant … You lost the informant, the guy that you claimed gave you all this information that you built this entire charade on.”

quote:

Originally posted by Schrodinger:
Steve, you state:

quote:

. If Trump is guilty, jail him. BUT and here's my point, If Biden is guilty of taking bribes from Romania or Ukraine or Russia or worse yet, China. lets pursue him, just as aggressively and Trump.

Nobody disagrees with that. The problem is Jack Smith has put the evidence out there. Who has put the evidence out there about Biden? And what is that evidence?

If you are sincere I. Your desire for civil debate, put it out there and we will engage.

First, When you juxtapose the two posts, I don't believe they are inconsistent with one another.

Wanting America's laws applied equally, in my mind is in no way different than saying the political hit job that Trump has experienced since before he was inaugurated is partisan.

As far as "where is the evidence on Biden or the rest of the liberal gaggle".

Hillary and her email scandal. Her emails were under subpoena, there should be no arguments there. She not only deleted 33,000 emails, she wiped her server clean with some special program for that. Those facts are not in dispute.

Thats by any legal definition is Obstruction of Justice.

Top Secret and higher, emails kept on her unsecured server. Likely hacked by hostile actors. Again, Facts, no hyperbole.



Sheryl Mills, destroys Hillary's devices, in some cases with a hammer, they were also under subpoena.

No obstruction?

Sherry mills gets interviewed by the FBI, she is not under oath and the FBI "loses" her laptop? EDIT...FBI agree's to destroy it. Why?

No problem there?

Then Flynn loses everything he owns because he got dates wrong, plead guilty to keep his family out of it. Even the two agents that performed the interview claimed they thought he wasn't lying.

The FBI knew the Russian dossier was fraudulent from the word go, yet a special counsel is assigned?

Uranium one?

How is Hunter Biden worth 230 million dollars? How? he's an unskilled crack-head. Can you in ALL honestly claim you have no intellectual curiosity as to why or how?

The FBI does its very best to cover up the bribery document that allegedly shows Biden took bribes from IIRC Romania? We still haven't seen it.

How about the FBI having insurance policies to be sure Trump doesn't get elected? Peter Strzok, lisa Paige, Bruce Ohr, Andrew McCabe.

Trump tower being wiretapped, the country thought Trump was crazy when he made those claims, claims that turned out to be true.

Trump gets impeached over a phone call that "in my opinion" has less pay to play in it than Biden getting that prosecutor fired. He even admitted it.

Not only are there no charges or investigations, there isn't even an appetite to find out.

I dunno, perhaps I'm nuts. But it seems that there would have been at least a grand jury or three?

Trump made himself a target, I get it. But all these things I list are actual facts. It is statistically impossible for none of these things to not have been taken more seriously by the DOJ.

The laws are applied lose to the Democrats. The Republicans not so much.

Why was there a full swat team deployment on Roger Stone's house? Was he a terrorist? No, worse, he was a Trump, close associate.

There are messages being sent. Trump is caustic to his friends, stay away or you to might end up in Jail.

Note sources. Fair?

https://judiciary.house.gov/me...nts-with-top-clinton

https://www.nytimes.com/2016/1...y-clinton-email.html

https://www.forbes.com/sites/j...n-in-the-news-again/

https://thehill.com/policy/nat...-the-two-agents-who/

https://www.npr.org/2019/02/01...arrested-roger-stone

https://abcnews.go.com/Politic...te/story?id=42389308

I'm trying topic sources that are not considered partisan hack sites.

As much as I would have loved to see Hillary tried and convicted, the fact is that the State Department under Rex Tillerson and Mike Pompeo did two separate investigations and found in 2019 that there was "there was no persuasive evidence of systemic, deliberate mishandling of classified information" and that Clinton bore no "individual culpability." Those investigations were under a Republican administration. Sorry I just do not see how the grand conspiracy theory holds up but I realize that at this point it may be the only thin reed the MAGAggots can hold on to.

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Originally posted by MJines:
As much as I would have loved to see Hillary tried and convicted, the fact is that the State Department under Rex Tillerson and Mike Pompeo did two separate investigations and found in 2019 that there was "there was no persuasive evidence of systemic, deliberate mishandling of classified information" and that Clinton bore no "individual culpability." Those investigations were under a Republican administration. Sorry I just do not see how the grand conspiracy theory holds up but I realize that at this point it may be the only thin reed the MAGAggots can hold on to.

Nothing I posted is fantasy. Yet, a MAGAggot I am nonetheless.

So you're going to just brush off the Obstruction stuff?

You simply cannot get yourself to admit that we have two sets of laws in America now. Regardless of the facts you're presented with.

How about this little jewel?

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/p...n-tarmac-in-phoenix/

"Hows the family Loretta?"