https://www.msn.com/en-us/news...907e6c567e01e4&ei=44

After election, Poland may turn the illiberal tide
Story by Ishaan Tharoor • 1d

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news...ral-tide/ar-AA1ikdzT

Do you really care what happens in Poland?
Hell, it takes 5 Polacks to change lightbulb…

If some find the election results in NZ relevant, surely the Poland election is equally relevant.

https://forums.accuratereloadi...3811043/m/3531031672

The polish government was exercising protectionism to their agricultural sector.

The average pole probably (like here) prefers cheaper food.

Neither side of the polish political system is pro Russia or anti Ukraine, it’s just the “conservative” side doesn’t want their ag economy destroyed by cheap Ukrainian imports because Ukraine has no other viable markets at this point due to a lack of transportation capability because the Russians have shut down the Black Sea.

My understanding was the issue was thrown up to try bolster the govt, which was loosing.
As to who cares about Poland, Its on track to become a European powerhouse, possibly replacing germany.

Poland is a great country, but politically no different with changes then anyone else except Catholics rule there
It’s called politics…
Slovakia went very conservative
Ukraine has been mess for 30 years

When I hunted there, I loved the people- and they hate Russians!

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Originally posted by jdollar:
When I hunted there, I loved the people- and they hate Russians!

There is a reason for it, WW2 was brutal and both sides hammered Poland and that includes Ukraine ( Russia )
Don’t ever think Ukraine is a saint…they were doing their own ethnic cleansing during that time

Poland has some great hunting

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news...5aa10f66a3a907&ei=87

Time

What Poland's Surprise Election Means for the E.U.
Story by Ian Bremmer • 1h

In Poland, an unexpected surge of voters ready for change has ousted a populist coalition government in favor of a pro-EU and more moderate group of leaders. The Law and Justice party, in power since 2015, won the most parliamentary seats. But its coalition partners didn’t perform well enough to allow current Prime Minister Jaroslaw Kaczynski to form another government.

It’s a striking win for politician Donald Tusk and his Civic Coalition. It’s also great news for the European Union, which can expect a new government in Warsaw that will respect EU rules on democracy and rule of law. The biggest surprise on election day was a turnout estimated at 73%, the highest figure in post-communist Poland’s history. It’s a result all the more striking given Kaczynski’s unapologetic use of state media to boost his party’s support.

Once in place, Poland’s new government will work on making the changes its leaders have promised, and the European Union has called for. In particular, it will move to restore the political independence of the judiciary and media in line with EU rules. These reforms, in turn, will help Poland access as much as possible of the €35 billion that Poland can claim as part of the so-called Recovery and Resilience Facility, money that Brussels set aside for member states to help with pandemic recovery and the EU’s ambitious green and digital transition plans. The EU withheld that money from the previous government in response to its bid to bring judges and journalists under government control.

For the past several years, a populist government in Warsaw has boosted its popularity by demonizing the Union, its rules on democracy, and its social policy. It has turned state media outlets into a tool of government propaganda and stacked the country’s courts with political cronies. It did all this secure in the knowledge that EU punishment depended on unanimous support and that its ally in Hungary would veto any punishment. The EU has withheld badly needed funds to pressure Poland’s government for change, but that strategy was undercut by the need to help Poland absorb Ukrainian refugees following Russia’s invasion in February 2022.

It’s no wonder then that Brussels is delighted to see Poland’s voters eject that government and replace it with one that will be led by Tusk, a former head of the European Council. This political shift in Poland is especially timely for the EU given a recent election victory for populists in Slovakia and strong poll numbers for populist parties in Germany, France, and Austria.

Caveats apply. President Andrzej Duda, a former Law and Justice member of parliament, will first invite the current ruling coalition to try to assemble a new government. That effort will fail, but it will take weeks to do so. Only then will Duda give the victorious opposition alliance its turn, leaving it unlikely to have a government in place before December. Even then, Kaczynski’s Law and Justice party will hold enough parliamentary seats to limit the new government’s options, and both President Duda and conservative judges on Poland’s top court will create obstacles too.

Finally, the new governing coalition will have internal divisions, as well, particularly on social policy questions like abortion restrictions and the political influence of the Catholic Church. Civic Coalition must contend with both the Third Way’s moderate conservatives and some progressive hardliners in the Left. The leaders of this new coalition will also face tough economic conditions, including low growth, high price inflation, and a debt problem made more complicated by its plans to keep some of the more generous social benefits offered by the outgoing populist government.

But for Poland’s winning alliance and their fans in Brussels, these are problems for another day. For now, a major source of division between the EU and one of its biggest member states is on its way out thanks to an unexpectedly large surge of Poland’s voters.