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What do you think about that? ************* Real conservatives aren't radicalized. Thus "radicalized conservative" is an oxymoron. Yet there are many radicalized republicans. "When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross." - Sinclair Lewis Per my far-right friend: "reality sucks" D.J. Trump aka Trumpism's Founding Farter, aka Farter Martyr. Qualifications: flatulence - mental, oral and anal. | ||
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hey.. which potus started the EPA --- [giggles maniacally] opinions vary band of bubbas and STC hunting Club Information on Ammoguide about the416AR, 458AR, 470AR, 500AR What is an AR round? Case Drawings 416-458-470AR and 500AR. 476AR, http://www.weaponsmith.com | |||
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Funny - Nixon. It just shows how much has changed since. This is something that I don't understand. What brain worm in the Rightist's ideology causes this? I think the answer lies in understanding the worldview of MAGA Mike. ************* Real conservatives aren't radicalized. Thus "radicalized conservative" is an oxymoron. Yet there are many radicalized republicans. "When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross." - Sinclair Lewis Per my far-right friend: "reality sucks" D.J. Trump aka Trumpism's Founding Farter, aka Farter Martyr. Qualifications: flatulence - mental, oral and anal. | |||
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I have brought up the topic of GOP fascism many times. The evidence keeps coming to support the claim. With MAGA Mike, we now see the agenda happening, partially. The EPA, IRS, FBI, and so forth, all part of the crush the Deep State plan of Heritage Foundation and Steve Bannon. Trump would be the kingpin, but the ideology is the same - the entire GOP. Here's an article that explains what I'm saying: Trump's purge begins — with the Federalist Society Story by Heather Digby Parton • 11h https://www.msn.com/en-us/news...ab0cefb0963136&ei=43 The closing two paragraphs of the article: The purges have begun, I guess. It was only a matter of time. All of these various agendas and projects are designed for one purpose only, to "deconstruct the administrative state" as former Trump adviser and podcaster Steve Bannon has called for. And considering the Republican Party track record, not to mention Donald Trump's, the prospects of it being successful are very dim. They aren't competent at much of anything when it comes to governing anymore but they are very good at tearing things down and causing chaos, destabilizing everything they touch. Unfortunately, I don't think there's been a worse time in our history for such a stress test on the US government and our democracy. It's important to make sure they don't get the chance to transform any of these plans into action. ================================================================= Yet, if they are successful at cutting the budget of the EPA, what's next? Jack Smith? SCOTUS if they offend MAGA? IMO, the power of MAGA should never be underestimated, and quash it like a roach. ************* Real conservatives aren't radicalized. Thus "radicalized conservative" is an oxymoron. Yet there are many radicalized republicans. "When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross." - Sinclair Lewis Per my far-right friend: "reality sucks" D.J. Trump aka Trumpism's Founding Farter, aka Farter Martyr. Qualifications: flatulence - mental, oral and anal. | |||
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Anything that helps anybody but the rich and corporations, or protects anything but the rich and corporations, Republicans oppose. As predictable as sunrise. "If you’re innocent why are you taking the Fifth Amendment?”- Donald Trump | |||
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Biden signed an ex. order to bypass a number of EPA laws to fast track green projects. The EPA can save the money there. | |||
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EPA was a necessary creation at the time, but like all bureaucracies, it was soon a bloated, distorted version of itself. The agency began to see it's mandate as simply to interfere, with no purpose or justification. Their budget should be cut and they should be accountable. They are sucking up taxpayer's money and wasting it. Nobody should be OK with this, but Democrats seem to revel in it. Regards, Bill. | |||
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Precisely. Let's be honest. If a Republican puts forth a proposal, it is immediately met with derision from the brainwashed Left - no matter what. | |||
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Exactly Bill Nothing but a bunch of bureaucrats with power growing by leaps and bounds Nothing like standing over your own kill | |||
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The EPA does serve an important function. Its role in policing pollution is vital. That part many on the right seem to miss. The fact that they also overreach often, abuse their position, and attempt to regulate well past their historic mandate is also true and the left misses that, or worse uses it to get their way when they can’t win it politically. I don’t have a great answer- the folks running it now are full up political types and would willingly sacrifice the vital functions to fund their political overreaches. | |||
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100%^^^ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ J. Lane Easter, DVM A born Texan has instilled in his system a mind-set of no retreat or no surrender. I wish everyone the world over had the dominating spirit that motivates Texans.– Billy Clayton, Speaker of the Texas House No state commands such fierce pride and loyalty. Lesser mortals are pitied for their misfortune in not being born in Texas.— Queen Elizabeth II on her visit to Texas in May, 1991. | |||
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Well written!!! . | |||
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It's real simple to me. GOPers don't value environmental protection. ************* Real conservatives aren't radicalized. Thus "radicalized conservative" is an oxymoron. Yet there are many radicalized republicans. "When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross." - Sinclair Lewis Per my far-right friend: "reality sucks" D.J. Trump aka Trumpism's Founding Farter, aka Farter Martyr. Qualifications: flatulence - mental, oral and anal. | |||
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And apparently, neither does Biden. | |||
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I do. Do you? ************* Real conservatives aren't radicalized. Thus "radicalized conservative" is an oxymoron. Yet there are many radicalized republicans. "When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross." - Sinclair Lewis Per my far-right friend: "reality sucks" D.J. Trump aka Trumpism's Founding Farter, aka Farter Martyr. Qualifications: flatulence - mental, oral and anal. | |||
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I have done more in my life for clean water and land than you ever amounted to Kabob. And continue to do so. Just went to the capitol a few weeks ago to talk about it. What have you done, remind me? | |||
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Yep, its easy to demand others do something. Thats alot of what we see, people demanding that the other people do something and show great concern about environmental causes that dont have an effect on them. | |||
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Conservatives care about conservation and do it Democrats use conservation for political purposes to smear conservatives and EPA does their biding Nothing like standing over your own kill | |||
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So, what excuses or rationalizations do you Rightists use when they go after drastically cutting the FDA or aviation safety budgets, or worse putting them directly under the thumb of the exec branch? And so forth. Will you go out of your way to study up on which meds or drugs have safe ingredients and have been tested. Your arguments are ridiculously lame, perhaps to the point of sickness. I'm surprised that some of you haven't said "let God sort it out according to his plan". ************* Real conservatives aren't radicalized. Thus "radicalized conservative" is an oxymoron. Yet there are many radicalized republicans. "When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross." - Sinclair Lewis Per my far-right friend: "reality sucks" D.J. Trump aka Trumpism's Founding Farter, aka Farter Martyr. Qualifications: flatulence - mental, oral and anal. | |||
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~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ J. Lane Easter, DVM A born Texan has instilled in his system a mind-set of no retreat or no surrender. I wish everyone the world over had the dominating spirit that motivates Texans.– Billy Clayton, Speaker of the Texas House No state commands such fierce pride and loyalty. Lesser mortals are pitied for their misfortune in not being born in Texas.— Queen Elizabeth II on her visit to Texas in May, 1991. | |||
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When the EPA declared a furrowed field to be "mini mountains" in 2016, it is clear that they have lost there way, in determining where they had authority https://www.michigancapitolconfidential.com/22880 you can put the words 'epa mini mountains" into your search engine and find your own results, if the link is too biased I think the EPA has a GREAT mission, and there's more than enough LEGITIMITE areas where they can enforce (that means with force (of law) just to remind ya'll) the rules and regs - I went off, at some length, that government accounting is a separate accounting discipline, and that government agencies only grow in "prestige" over budget numbers and scope. If they can expand their scope, they can get more money than the usual "last year +x%" that happens - and governmental agencies LOVE larger scope+larger budgets+ larger head count -- it's literally what drives them to show how successful they are - In the 80s, i went toe to toe with some Corp of Engineers PhD engineers and scientists about expanding the Houston Ship channel. I had an inside tract to reach them, via a family connection in the Corp, and had many conversations (it was black boards and chalk then, rather than white boards and markers), and they called the EPA in to listen to what I had to say - -I was an avid wade fisher through the ship channel and galveston bay, and had documented the changes in the fishery before the ravenges of aggressive "shrimp boats" (that's a code word), the dredging lifts off the baytown tunnel when the bridges was delayed, and even post hurricane impacts on speckled trout, sand trout, flounder, whitings, croakers, red and black drum, sheepshead, and even hardhead catfish - where basically light dredging and good storm tides resulted in better fishing, after a awhile, but that the ship channel was full of muds with toxic substances - this delayed the project a goodly while, but never the less it went forward. I realize 99% of the people have no clue what the Kemah flats are, or catching a "golden croaker" or a cooler full of big sandtrout and whitings means, but it's basically gulf coast salt water panfish - it was more than 5 years before I could "fill the cooler" after the project was over. It's NEVER been back to the early 80s level of fishing, in the coastal estuaries, before several environmental impactful and EPA approved exercises. Back in the day, you could have a couple shrimp, catch a sandtrout or whiting, and use their swim bladder for several additional fish - today, it's all hardheads and poaghies The EPA should keep businesses from overly polluting the environment - there's plenty to work on there, before inventing "mini mountains" to make their runoff as part of the "water of the US" crap opinions vary band of bubbas and STC hunting Club Information on Ammoguide about the416AR, 458AR, 470AR, 500AR What is an AR round? Case Drawings 416-458-470AR and 500AR. 476AR, http://www.weaponsmith.com | |||
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I want to catch fish that are toxin free. I want the waters where I fish to be clean. I want a healthy and renewable population of fish - everywhere. I have no way of ensuring that without empowering an agency such as the EPA, and neither does anyone else, individually. It makes no difference - zero - how much you care for your own land. EPA may have flaws in their agenda, but I fault conservatives for their supposed solution is to just cut their budget, and make them dysfunctional. That's the std M.O. of rightists, and I'm sick of it. ************* Real conservatives aren't radicalized. Thus "radicalized conservative" is an oxymoron. Yet there are many radicalized republicans. "When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross." - Sinclair Lewis Per my far-right friend: "reality sucks" D.J. Trump aka Trumpism's Founding Farter, aka Farter Martyr. Qualifications: flatulence - mental, oral and anal. | |||
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You are flat out lying Kabob. The right did not make the EPA dysfunctional. That is total BS. Being a gov agency makes them dysfunctional by nature. I resent your implication what I have done is for my own land only. I have worked hard on state legislation to improve land and water quality for the entire state. No-one compensates me for my time and expenses of driving to the capitol. Data, photos and copies of every report I have done, handed to each committee member. You do a good job of pointing fingers and bitching, but do NOTHING yourself. You will never do anything but deflect when I ask this question. Your dem led EPA said the water in E palistine ohio is safe. Would you eat fish from their streams? | |||
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You are assuming being a government agency makes the EPA dysfunctional. That is a conclusion and not analysis. The Fed Courts exist and stand ready to hear challenges to EPA action. Unless the Courts say an action is over reach, the action is fails. It may be bad policy, but permitted by the enabling stature unless amended. The inverse that results in invalidating EPA action applies as well and equally. When the Fed Courts say the EPA has engaged in overreach, then so be it. The fact it was good policy is irrelevant. Fed Courts reviewing administrative action do not ask if the action is good policy. The Courts ask was the procedure for rule making followed; give due deference to the agency; is the action arbitrary, capricious, and unreasonable as to be outside the scope of the enabling statute. Congress can always address that by amending the enabling stature. Point is, no one person or group of person , but Congress, get to declare an agency to be overreaching. That is what litigation and the courts do. That is how such actions have legitimacy conferred. The rule of law. I have no issue with the EPA on the whole, nor how we review agency action in general. Now, I would have no issue w a law that required every government agency rule to survive a simple majority vote of the Senate and that vote not subject to the Filibuster. Why, that a body of Congress would have the say, the voice in rule making more directly. However, that is one of my own fantasies that will never happen. Like I said before. I am not a soil, water expert. I hope your plan is adopted and works. That is why administrative law became what it is. Congress passed this wide bills with goals or end results, but were not competent or lazy (take your pick) to detail out in the legislation the how. The Agency through rule making fills in the blanks Zoe the how. That is why at the state level especially you read a lot, “The Commissioner shall proclaimate regulations ..” | |||
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TB40, I was once a govt employee, so I know what it's like to have to deal with a rabid opinionated individual like you. I pity EPA employees because you are not unique. You KNOW so much that ain't true and not science. I'm amazed they can function with such interference. But that's reality. That's why I want them to succeed, despite you. ************* Real conservatives aren't radicalized. Thus "radicalized conservative" is an oxymoron. Yet there are many radicalized republicans. "When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross." - Sinclair Lewis Per my far-right friend: "reality sucks" D.J. Trump aka Trumpism's Founding Farter, aka Farter Martyr. Qualifications: flatulence - mental, oral and anal. | |||
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Funny, I dont know anything but helped get legislation passed? Funny how my last trip to the capitol has resulted in the head of the Army corp of engineering making a list and a plan for repairs to waterways. Opinions??? that happened with facts. You are just flapping your gums, I get things done. | |||
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You must have been a government employee to come to this conclusion - in the private sector, when a business has lost focus on it's primary mission, it's a rather dang common tactic to shrink the budget, refocus on power functions, and the usually results in some layoffs - sidenote: you can usually get a pretty accurate read on the potential outcomes when you look at the % of, and level of, persons laidoff. The EPA became MORE dysfunctional when it thought "the waters of the united states" meant every stream and mud puddle, then tried to enforce the laws as if every 10 acre farmer were a million acre global corporation. nearly every government agency is dysfunctional, to some degree - self-rules-writing agencies are usually further along that road Except it can take decades to get a solution through the courts, and tens, if not hundreds, of thousands of dollars - which most citizen have neither the time or resources to fight, but the EPA fines a home owner the rate per day for throwing some gravel (from the same piece of property) in a mud puddle as they do a major manufacturing corporation for dumping toxic waste into a river. opinions vary band of bubbas and STC hunting Club Information on Ammoguide about the416AR, 458AR, 470AR, 500AR What is an AR round? Case Drawings 416-458-470AR and 500AR. 476AR, http://www.weaponsmith.com | |||
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Heym, That the EPA has many cases over turned in court shows they have a penchant for overreach. Yet, the administrations can go around them with executive order at any time. Look at Bidens fast push for the lithium mines in the McDermitt Caldera region. Kabob, you were a clerk. You hid behind your desk afraid to speak out afraid of blowback. You have told us all this before. I was a town officer. Before I made a decision that spent money or made changes that affected people, I asked for feed back. By listening, I found that no policy was all rainbows and unicorns. There were always a negative effect somewhere, and people need to speak up for everyone to see it. Kabob goes on and on about fascism. Yet, right in his post above, he thinks no-one should question the government. That is, if it's his government in power. His inner fascism comes out clear as day. The impervious surface law would not have been passed in my state without the push from us ( nobodies) I was able to show factual proof of changes poor road construction and layout has caused to streams. There is traction gaining to address streambed restoration now. But to Kabob, I'm not a scientist, so I should just shut up and let things go as they are. Who is the real conservationist? | |||
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Well, Jeffe, to me you are describing dysfunctional. Here's how it works. Intractable problems with the environment become too evident. Congress passes some protection laws, but can't admn it themselves. The agency is created for a purpose, to solve problems, and given authority of enforcement and to write regulations consistent with the laws passed. Then come the idealogues, by the thousands, with their gripes and excuses especially when something they are doing, self-interest, is conflicting with the bigger picture of environmental protection. These are after-the-fact people who wouldn't have lifted a finger in the first place for the big picture, so long as they could keep on what they were doing. So what if a river in Clevland catches fire - someone else's problem. https://www.healthandenvironme...%20the%20environment. The loudest cockroach gets the cake. And when they don't, they turn towards cutting the budget. But the goal is ALWAYS to get away with something in self-interest, in direct conflict with the original intent of the laws in the first place. It's the same whether cooperations or individuals. And they blame anyone and anything but themselves. The easy targets, as TB 40 knows, are the folks with a govt desk and office. They are tangible and easily found and cornered. The good ones manage the ideologues well, and still manage to abide their mission. They don't pay these people enough to have to put up with people like TB40. They should get bonuses for every minute wasted pacifying these AHs. ************* Real conservatives aren't radicalized. Thus "radicalized conservative" is an oxymoron. Yet there are many radicalized republicans. "When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross." - Sinclair Lewis Per my far-right friend: "reality sucks" D.J. Trump aka Trumpism's Founding Farter, aka Farter Martyr. Qualifications: flatulence - mental, oral and anal. | |||
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And many who are willing to put up with the public stay because they are ideologically driven. Runoff is a problem in many ways, but pollution? Your desire for fish costs money. Way more than we will ever collect in fishing license revenue… so your opinion is to push the cost on to the landowner. Now a big chemical plant or mine has more money to pay for improvements (but of course it’s passed on to the consumer) but smaller landowners don’t have the money, and with international commodity markets, can’t necessarily pass on your unfunded mandates. The lengths we go for some things… I’m sitting in a deer stand. It’s on land that’s been in my family for almost 100 years. None of the buildings would be legal with the new setback rules. Those rules were put in place to help water quality on the rivers. The sad thing is the reason they are mandating it? EPA rules about pollution. It’s too expensive for the cities to clean up their waste, so we will force the farmers to reduce theirs so the metro area in MN can dump the vast majority of the allotment into the Mississippi. They spend their budget on a commuter train that doesn’t work and is way over budget instead of wastewater treatment. This in a Democrat run state that makes great lip service to clean environmental practices. | |||
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I never met one who was!!!  ================================================ As to the rest of your post - it's always about the money to a Rightist. That's not ideologically driven, of course, to a Rightists - it's practical. And clean water and environment and protection thereof is ideological to a Rightist, if it goes beyond cost benefit analysis, purely, rather than any aesthetic considerations. This way of thinking is evident in many ways, wilderness designation, for example. Do you think such ideological thinking is consistent with Jefferson's views on the "Social Contract" idea, on which he was influenced by John Locke? I don't recall Locke's philosophy to include conflating capitalism with the Social Contract. That came about, the former, at the expense of the latter. How much do you estimate that cost? It's immeasurable and still counting. That's what I'm talking about. BTW, the so-called Social Contract theory is just as much a part of Western Civilization as Bill Maher points out in his monologue, which shankspony posted in another thread. https://youtu.be/wnl243DjsUE?si=ShiEUxbM3aer2L5c https://iep.utm.edu/soc-cont/#SSH4a.ii ************* Real conservatives aren't radicalized. Thus "radicalized conservative" is an oxymoron. Yet there are many radicalized republicans. "When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross." - Sinclair Lewis Per my far-right friend: "reality sucks" D.J. Trump aka Trumpism's Founding Farter, aka Farter Martyr. Qualifications: flatulence - mental, oral and anal. | |||
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Same here. I found a dead buck about a week ago. All that was left was skin and bones. I wasn't near a road, so I don't know what killed it. Recently I read a report that at least one deer in South Georgia had been diagnosed with CWD. So far, it hasn't spread this far south, but it will. Any time I find a dead deer I worry. I usually don't drive near sunset, dusk, or at night, because of the deer around here. Last night I made a quick trip to the grocery store and had a buck run smack into the side of my van. I was going about 50. It was just a blur, but the antler marks were on the side of the van, so that's how I know it was a buck. I looked for him, but he must have staggered off. Anyway, I bring this up because of the CWD issue. From what I know the spread of this disease got started in the game farms, and imports. It's an example of too little - too late regs and laws and capitalism. Now, it costs lives, and loss of the good-ole-days of deer hunting, and lots of money for testing and trying to control it. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chronic_wasting_disease Chronic wasting disease ************* Real conservatives aren't radicalized. Thus "radicalized conservative" is an oxymoron. Yet there are many radicalized republicans. "When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross." - Sinclair Lewis Per my far-right friend: "reality sucks" D.J. Trump aka Trumpism's Founding Farter, aka Farter Martyr. Qualifications: flatulence - mental, oral and anal. | |||
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The issue of clean environment may be ideologically motivated, but the nuts and bolts of how it’s done is always about money and power. You don’t see them banning golf courses… | |||
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Almost every banned chemical in agriculture is exempted for golf courses. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ J. Lane Easter, DVM A born Texan has instilled in his system a mind-set of no retreat or no surrender. I wish everyone the world over had the dominating spirit that motivates Texans.– Billy Clayton, Speaker of the Texas House No state commands such fierce pride and loyalty. Lesser mortals are pitied for their misfortune in not being born in Texas.— Queen Elizabeth II on her visit to Texas in May, 1991. | |||
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I must have found bad ones? They listened, and in time legislation was passed for the betterment of not just water, but dirt road improvements. But Fascist Kabob, will continue with "never question government". | |||
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It does my head in, and this is coming from a rightist who spent nine years serving on a national environmental org. We as a nation here are putting massive pressure and cost on the individual small farmer to cut methane emissions at an unserviceable speed. When what the farming community has done already is stabilise methane and because of its 25 year lifespan, we will see it fall in about 20 years. But the penalties potentially start to arrive in 5 years. meanwhile that cost is hindering efforts to deal with issues that are more directly affecting our environment immediately. At the same time our two largest central city electorates have elected green MPs by big margins. Those same electorates are the two most polluted places in the country with the least biodiversity, and the two wealthiest with highest numbers of cars, yet the green focus is on the farms and methane. | |||
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We need some more of that legislation for the betterment of water. I'm sure you will lobby for that and when it's passed you will personally regulate it. ************* Real conservatives aren't radicalized. Thus "radicalized conservative" is an oxymoron. Yet there are many radicalized republicans. "When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross." - Sinclair Lewis Per my far-right friend: "reality sucks" D.J. Trump aka Trumpism's Founding Farter, aka Farter Martyr. Qualifications: flatulence - mental, oral and anal. | |||
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It's amusing to me Kabob. I push for improvements, and you shit on me for doing it. Yet, you want government to do it. Make sure you support Biden using water resources in Nevada to brine lithium in Nevada. Be a proper little gov tool. | |||
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Shanks, as we have discussed, what you go through we do to, and vice versa. Besides methane digesters, more and more underground lines are being put in for slurry transfer. It's costly to lay the lines underground, but being able to pump slurry straight into the fields saves in the long run. No methane loss into the air, as it all stays in the soil. About 20 yrs ago, I sunk 2" PVC pipe, 3 ft down into the ground with holes drilled up and down the pipe. We have water everywhere, so the pipes were placed close to edges of fields near streams, swamps and such. I can pop the top off the pipe, and draw a water sample with ease from inside the pipe. The extension service will test it for excess fertilizers of any sort for free. We can then make any adjustments to top dressing fields before we do it. It keeps the waters clean of phosphates, and saves money too. Many small farms are doing it now. Five bucks worth of PVC and a little labor to dig it in. Kabob will be along to tell me I'm not a scientist and the EPA didnt think of it, so it's wrong. But, we find it to be a good way to monitor things. | |||
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Government is full of over educated under intelligent people that do hardly anything bit protect their jobs. | |||
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