You are correct Saeed. The transformation is taking place so rapidly…it is apparent in every day life.

Neither of you are accurate.

The truth is violent crime is down.

Dr. Easter knows more than these folks:

https://apnews.com/article/fbi...94cf8157957f439c1e2f

And it is only a matter of time before the whole middle east is fighting with each other like they have been for thousands of years. I really think the middle eastern counties are worse about infighting and fighting with each other than countries in Africa and that is saying something.

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Originally posted by MtElkHunter:
And it is only a matter of time before the whole middle east is fighting with each other like they have been for thousands of years. I really think the middle eastern counties are worse about infighting and fighting with each other than countries in Africa and that is saying something.

Truth!

When Iran rolls onto the UAE there is gonna be a lot of crying!

Property and vehicle crime remain high. It seems nobody wants to report on that.

And homeless are starting to accumulate outside of metropolitan areas. Now, they are common Gainesville, TX. Five years ago, that was unheard of.

The homeless population has been growing for decades. I think the root cause is globalization which lead to the destruction of our post WWII economy and manufacturing sector. The increased cost of housing certainly does not help but that is not going to improve until we start building enough houses to satisfy demand.

A lot of the ones along the rural I-35 corridor now are non-English speaking latinos. Seems like most are not Mexican but from various South American countries.

We have none of any persuasion 5 years ago.

I won't dispute that, same story here.

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And homeless are starting to accumulate outside of metropolitan areas. Now, they are common Gainesville, TX. Five years ago, that was unheard of.

It damn sure wasn't unheard of when Reagan was in office.

The same thing is happening all across the country but I think is it worse in the Texas area because of the proximity to the border. Closing the border is just a band aid approach to the real problem of shitty third world counties with drug cartels running everything and the violence being so bad that people leave their home country to try and get to the states for a better life. If we are going to curb the tide we need to fix the real issue and not just band aid it.

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Originally posted by wymple:

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Originally posted by ledvm:
And homeless are starting to accumulate outside of metropolitan areas. Now, they are common Gainesville, TX. Five years ago, that was unheard of.

It d*mn sure wasn't unheard of when Reagan was in office.

for the record, gainsville, tx, has a population of 17,394 - this is a small town in Texas - by population, that's number 179 -- in Iowa, it would be #29

it's also nearly 90 miles from any major city -- it has no real support infrastructure to support the homeless, past individual charities

https://www.texas-demographics...cities_by_population
https://www.iowa-demographics....cities_by_population

The largest city in iowa would be like 16th

The entire population of Iowa, all of it, is less than the Houston Metro area -

Must be nice, sitting in a cafe somewhere in Iowa, and have perfect vision into everything and every nook and cranny in the country

Under Reagan (i did a photography study in Downtown Houston on the growing homelessness) these conditions were few and far between - rent could be paid on a minimum wage job, though easier with a roomie -

But the subject isn't major metros (under reagan) it's homeless encampments where they have not been seen prior .. it's LITERALLY in the words you quoted -

sigh, yet another time "close enough" isn't --

Oh, Iowa's 179th place city?
Stuart 1,855

which would tie for 751st place in texas ..

you do know you can't compare a tiny state to a large state with anything like accuracy, right?

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Originally posted by jeffeosso:

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Originally posted by wymple:

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Originally posted by ledvm:
And homeless are starting to accumulate outside of metropolitan areas. Now, they are common Gainesville, TX. Five years ago, that was unheard of.

It d*mn sure wasn't unheard of when Reagan was in office.

for the record, gainsville, tx, has a population of 17,394 - this is a small town in Texas - by population, that's number 179 -- in Iowa, it would be #29

it's also nearly 90 miles from any major city -- it has no real support infrastructure to support the homeless, past individual charities

https://www.texas-demographics...cities_by_population
https://www.iowa-demographics....cities_by_population

The largest city in iowa would be like 16th

The entire population of Iowa, all of it, is less than the Houston Metro area -

Must be nice, sitting in a cafe somewhere in Iowa, and have perfect vision into everything and every nook and cranny in the country

Under Reagan (i did a photography study in Downtown Houston on the growing homelessness) these conditions were few and far between - rent could be paid on a minimum wage job, though easier with a roomie -

But the subject isn't major metros (under reagan) it's homeless encampments where they have not been seen prior .. it's LITERALLY in the words you quoted -

sigh, yet another time "close enough" isn't --

Well they do have telebishion so there's that.

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Originally posted by wymple:

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Originally posted by ledvm:
And homeless are starting to accumulate outside of metropolitan areas. Now, they are common Gainesville, TX. Five years ago, that was unheard of.

It damn sure wasn't unheard of when Reagan was in office.

Are you obtuse?

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Originally posted by ANTELOPEDUNDEE:

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Originally posted by jeffeosso:

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Originally posted by wymple:

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Originally posted by ledvm:
And homeless are starting to accumulate outside of metropolitan areas. Now, they are common Gainesville, TX. Five years ago, that was unheard of.

It d*mn sure wasn't unheard of when Reagan was in office.

for the record, gainsville, tx, has a population of 17,394 - this is a small town in Texas - by population, that's number 179 -- in Iowa, it would be #29

it's also nearly 90 miles from any major city -- it has no real support infrastructure to support the homeless, past individual charities

https://www.texas-demographics...cities_by_population
https://www.iowa-demographics....cities_by_population

The largest city in iowa would be like 16th

The entire population of Iowa, all of it, is less than the Houston Metro area -

Must be nice, sitting in a cafe somewhere in Iowa, and have perfect vision into everything and every nook and cranny in the country

Under Reagan (i did a photography study in Downtown Houston on the growing homelessness) these conditions were few and far between - rent could be paid on a minimum wage job, though easier with a roomie -

But the subject isn't major metros (under reagan) it's homeless encampments where they have not been seen prior .. it's LITERALLY in the words you quoted -

sigh, yet another time "close enough" isn't --

Well they do have telebishion so there's that.

I am certain that they do, but "close enough" has a history of talking about texas from 3rd hand reports, from 400+ miles away from the border and on how "good" things are at the border -

I don't watch TV.. like, zero -- but i have never heard of Gainsville Texas ever making the local news, but that's from ignorance

how terrible the situation is at the border, before it was opened up

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how terrible the situation is at the border, before it was opened up

A waitress who could not get enough tip for her bad service, is a politician dictating her convoluted ideas on the public!

The glorious, FREE, DEMOCRATIC, America!

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Oh, Iowa's 179th place city?
Stuart 1,855

which would tie for 751st place in texas ..

you do know you can't compare a tiny state to a large state with anything like accuracy, right?

I'm not so sure the size of your urban wastelands is anything to brag about.

I lived and worked in the largest city in the country and could not wait to return to wide open spaces and fresh air.

We certainly need our urban areas for economic reasons, brag about them? Nah, more like tolerate them.

Did you ever find any links supporting your assertation that the "suckers and losers" comment was found to be false?

Fact check calls the "suckers and losers" unsubstantiated. The Atlantic, ran the story with anonymous sources claiming it.

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Fact check calls the "suckers and losers" unsubstantiated. The Atlantic, ran the story with anonymous sources claiming it.

Kelley was the source and claims to have heard right from the horse's ass.

I tend to believe Kelley but am open minded on the subject.

This is what factcheck said about the matter:

Biden said Trump called U.S. veterans killed in World War I “suckers and losers,” which Trump called a “made up quote … that was in a third-rate magazine.”

It was first reported by a magazine — the Atlantic — but Trump’s former chief of staff, John F. Kelly, a retired four-star Marine general, later seemed to confirm it.

Biden was referring to a trip Trump made to France in November 2018, where he reportedly declined to visit the Aisne-Marne American Cemetery near the location of the Battle of Belleau Wood. “He was standing with his four-star general and he told him, ‘I don’t want to go in there because they’re a bunch of losers and suckers.’”

The Atlantic wrote about this alleged incident in 2020, citing unnamed sources. The magazine wrote that Trump made his remark about “losers” when he declined to visit the Aisne-Marne American Cemetery, and his remark about “suckers” during that same trip.

The Atlantic, Sept. 3, 2020: In a conversation with senior staff members on the morning of the scheduled visit, Trump said, “Why should I go to that cemetery? It’s filled with losers.” In a separate conversation on the same trip, Trump referred to the more than 1,800 marines who lost their lives at Belleau Wood as “suckers” for getting killed.

In October 2023, Kelly – who was on that trip and visited the Aisne-Marne Cemetery — gave a statement to CNN that seemed to confirm those remarks. CNN published Kelly’s statement.

CNN, Oct. 3, 2023: “What can I add that has not already been said?” Kelly said, when asked if he wanted to weigh in on his former boss in light of recent comments made by other former Trump officials. “A person that thinks those who defend their country in uniform, or are shot down or seriously wounded in combat, or spend years being tortured as POWs are all ‘suckers’ because ‘there is nothing in it for them.’ A person that did not want to be seen in the presence of military amputees because ‘it doesn’t look good for me.’ A person who demonstrated open contempt for a Gold Star family – for all Gold Star families – on TV during the 2016 campaign, and rants that our most precious heroes who gave their lives in America’s defense are ‘losers’ and wouldn’t visit their graves in France.”

Trump said, “We had 19 people who said I didn’t say it.” One of those who said that he didn’t hear Trump make those remarks is John Bolton, Trump’s former national security adviser who was also on the trip and said he was there when the decision was made not to visit the cemetery.

“I didn’t hear that,” Bolton told the New York Times in 2020 after the magazine story first appeared. “I’m not saying he didn’t say them later in the day or another time, but I was there for that discussion.”

I do not see that Trump's statement was found to be false, just that Bolton did not hear him say it. Kelley says he did say it. Bolton could have been out of ear shot when it was said.

https://www.factcheck.org/2024...-biden-trump-debate/

I work in one of the larger towns on the UKs south coast ( but live an hour away out in the sticks). The homeless population there has exploded over the last few years, so much so that there are now some places where you can’t drink outside ( an attempt to stop homeless antisocial behaviour like they are going to take any notice of that).

Some of my clients have building that are let out to homeless charities and I sometimes have to go look at them.

They come in two flavours, the ones whose life circumstances have made them homeless but they are trying to get back on their feet, and those who, no matter how much money you gave them, would stick it in their arm or drink it and still be on the streets the next day.

I think the proportion of the former has increased as economic circumstances have become more difficult but the latter have always and will always be there.

And it was reported Trump tried to grab the wheel to go to the J6 riot.
Again, one claimed to have heard it from a SS agent. All others did not. This is why the media sucks, they report on unsubstantiated claims.

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And it was reported Trump tried to grab the wheel to go to the J6 riot.
Again, one claimed to have heard it from a SS agent. All others did not. This is why the media sucks, they report on unsubstantiated claims.

I tend to believe Kelley, he made his position clear. It would have been sweet if it was caught on tape, it wasn't so you have to sort through the conflicting info.

Devon Archer, Hunters business partner said Joe was "the big guy" who got 10%.
Nobody verified that, does it make it true?
Just curious, how far do you take one persons word over another. Or, could have misheard if no-one else can support it.

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Devon Archer, Hunters business partner said Joe was "the big guy" who got 10%.
Nobody verified that, does it make it true?
Just curious, how far do you take one persons word over another. Or, could have misheard if no-one else can support it.

You have two men's word to decide between which is the most believable, to me that is a VERY simple question, Kelley is the more trustworthy of the two.

The Boy Who Cried Wolf apparently was not on Trump's reading list as a youngster.

Do you feel that history should be taken into account? Trump's past history of lying is long and well documented. I'm not familiar with Kelley being a lifelong liar.

Jeffe made the assertation that the "suckers and losers" comment by Trump had been found to be false, that is not what factcheck said.

Kelley lays out a solid case as to why Trump has zero respect for our veterans.

I tend to believe Kelley, Bolton and a myriad of others who worked with Trump and say he is not fit for office.

So do you believe Archer too?
I can lean one way to what I hear. But I know for a fact that I can mishear what has been said too.
If multiple others say that something was not said, I have to think I didnt hear it right.
You get to believe anything you want.

A little digging for names.
Bolton , Pompeo and Fuentes, who were with him, claim Trump never said it.
Kelly never said directly if he heard it, or heard it from someone else.
Trump is guilty of plenty, but sometimes the media goes overboard too.

I would not believe anything Trump said about something nor his supporters in politics.

How many fraud findings does Trump and his people have.

I believe the reporting.

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I would not believe anything Trump said about something nor his supporters in politics.

How many fraud findings does Trump and his people have.

I believe the reporting.

And Kelly.

You never answered.... And Archer?

Steve used Bolton's words against Trump, but now doesnt believe him when he said he didnt hear Trump say it? Selective beliefs I guess.
Kelly would not say if he heard Trump, or heard it from someone else.
Is hearsay allowed in court heym?
Win many cases with it? Maybe a reason why the claim is unsubstantiated, by factcheck?

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Originally posted by theback40:
Steve used Bolton's words against Trump, but now doesnt believe him when he said he didnt hear Trump say it? Selective beliefs I guess.
Kelly would not say if he heard Trump, or heard it from someone else.
Is hearsay allowed in court heym?
Win many cases with it? Maybe a reason why the claim is unsubstantiated, by factcheck?

stevie is selective in what he believes, when, and how, he believes the same source ...

that ethical flexibility must be nice for him

Do either you think that maybe Bolton did not hear it or was out of ear shot and Kelly did hear it? Bolton says he was not present when the decision to not go to the cemetery was made.

Ever been on a trip with that many people? Do you think you heard everything that every person said? Not likely is it?

Selective indeed Jeffe. Jeffe accusing someone else of selective ethics??? Pot, meet kettle.

The thing is, you are wrong the best I can tell. It was not proven by fact checkers to have not occurred but there is conflicting accounts of what did occurred.

Keep drinking that orange Kool-Aid boys, I hear it is excellent for washing down that weak gruel you love so much.

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Originally posted by theback40:
Maybe a reason why the claim is unsubstantiated, by factcheck?

Unsubstantiated is not the same as proven false is it Tony?

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Originally posted by theback40:
You never answered.... And Archer?

Not verified does not make something true or untrue....that is my whole point. Follow along please.

Jeffe claimed "suckers and losers" was PROVEN to be FALSE....It was NOT. It is unverified.

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Originally posted by Steve Bertram:

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Originally posted by theback40:
Maybe a reason why the claim is unsubstantiated, by factcheck?

Unsubstantiated is not the same as proven false is it Tony?

And you are allowed to vote?

Yes, bless your heart, they are functionally the same, except to the delusional

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Originally posted by Steve Bertram:

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Originally posted by theback40:
Maybe a reason why the claim is unsubstantiated, by factcheck?

Unsubstantiated is not the same as proven false is it Tony?

And you are allowed to vote?

Yes, bless your heart, they are functionally the same, except to the delusional

No, they are not. One is an unproven allegation, the other is a proven falsehood.

Bless your heart.

I'm surprised you can tie your shoes you moron.

No, it was not proven false, I absolutely agree, nor proven true. Which was my point.