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You sure love it when Biden uses his DOJ against his political opposition. Fascist? Are you big on Stalin? Hussein? the Ayatolla? | |||
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Yeah, the Federal Courts are in taking orders from the DRC too. Move along. | |||
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What does the Congo have to do with it??  Vote Trump- Putin’s best friend… To quote a former AND CURRENT Trumpiteer - DUMP TRUMP | |||
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Democratic National Convention Of course, you knew that. | |||
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They have a corrupt political system. ALMOST as corrupt as America's!  | |||
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. . . I just hope Steve can get a bath in prison. Mike | |||
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I knew it but apparently you can’t type it….   Vote Trump- Putin’s best friend… To quote a former AND CURRENT Trumpiteer - DUMP TRUMP | |||
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I wonder what day Holder starts his? Wait! Thats right! Holder skated on his contempt of congress — an investigation where an American was killed. Get back with me Joshua when politics DOESN’T govern your beloved system justice.  ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ J. Lane Easter, DVM A born Texan has instilled in his system a mind-set of no retreat or no surrender. I wish everyone the world over had the dominating spirit that motivates Texans.– Billy Clayton, Speaker of the Texas House No state commands such fierce pride and loyalty. Lesser mortals are pitied for their misfortune in not being born in Texas.— Queen Elizabeth II on her visit to Texas in May, 1991. | |||
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I think comparing Holder's contempt with Bannon's has enough differences to declare false equivalence. Holder was a cabinet member. Bannon wasn't at the time of the contempt. Obama used exec privilege to protect Holder. Trump would have used it too, but couldn't. Trump previously, while still in office, pardoned Bannon, and other criminals like Manafort, Stone, etc. There's no question that Bannon was in contempt. Even if Holder too was in contempt, not prosecuting him does not set a precedent for all others subsequently held in contempt. http://www.nbcnews.com/news/wo...te-holder-flna854519 DOJ will not prosecute Holder ************* Real conservatives aren't radicalized. Thus "radicalized conservative" is an oxymoron. Yet there are many radicalized republicans. "When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross." - Sinclair Lewis Per my far-right friend: "reality sucks" D.J. Trump aka Trumpism's Founding Farter, aka Farter Martyr. Qualifications: flatulence - mental, oral and anal. | |||
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ME has fully addressed your Holder example. | |||
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Lane probably thinks if he's pulled over for speeding, he can get off by telling the cop some other guy was speeding too. | |||
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None of that^^^puts Holder above Bannon. It just gives excuses as to why the law was able to give him a pass. If Bannon is bad…Holder is his equivalent. And that makes ME a hypocrite.  ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ J. Lane Easter, DVM A born Texan has instilled in his system a mind-set of no retreat or no surrender. I wish everyone the world over had the dominating spirit that motivates Texans.– Billy Clayton, Speaker of the Texas House No state commands such fierce pride and loyalty. Lesser mortals are pitied for their misfortune in not being born in Texas.— Queen Elizabeth II on her visit to Texas in May, 1991. | |||
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Yes it does as Holder by law was not permitted to testify. | |||
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Holder's testimony was shielded by executive privilege. | |||
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Bingo. Bannon was not. Now, he can lay the consequences. | |||
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0bama could have allowed him to testify. So I guess Bannon, Holder, & 0bama are all equivalent. After all an American LEO was killed in this instance involving Holder. I guess none of y’all cared about what the 0bama cartel was doing running guns on the border.  ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ J. Lane Easter, DVM A born Texan has instilled in his system a mind-set of no retreat or no surrender. I wish everyone the world over had the dominating spirit that motivates Texans.– Billy Clayton, Speaker of the Texas House No state commands such fierce pride and loyalty. Lesser mortals are pitied for their misfortune in not being born in Texas.— Queen Elizabeth II on her visit to Texas in May, 1991. | |||
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Obo didnt even know it happened until he read it in the paper like everyone else. So much for WH briefings. | |||
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Could have, but did not have to under the law. Cannon had no legal recourse, but to testify. That is how the law works. Unless you pass a constitutional amendment banning executive privilege, stop whining. | |||
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A better comparison would be Lois Lerner. She did not get an executive pass from Obo. The DOJ said, we havnt charged anyone since 1983 for contempt. I would say things have a very political bend to them nowdays. | |||
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Just pointing out that cheering on Bannon while giving a pass to 0bama/Holder is hypocrisy — own it. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ J. Lane Easter, DVM A born Texan has instilled in his system a mind-set of no retreat or no surrender. I wish everyone the world over had the dominating spirit that motivates Texans.– Billy Clayton, Speaker of the Texas House No state commands such fierce pride and loyalty. Lesser mortals are pitied for their misfortune in not being born in Texas.— Queen Elizabeth II on her visit to Texas in May, 1991. | |||
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Same situation with Obama/Holder. When the GOPer House is engaging in investigations, under the false pretense of accountability, POTUS has the authority if not the obligation to just not feed the monster. ************* Real conservatives aren't radicalized. Thus "radicalized conservative" is an oxymoron. Yet there are many radicalized republicans. "When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross." - Sinclair Lewis Per my far-right friend: "reality sucks" D.J. Trump aka Trumpism's Founding Farter, aka Farter Martyr. Qualifications: flatulence - mental, oral and anal. | |||
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Partisanship rears its head… democrat investigations are good, GOP bad. By definition any investigation by congress is political, and technically partisan if one side voted for it more than the other. Either congress has the right to investigate or not. Under law the president can cover some officials, but usually it’s about politics and “optics” and not really state secrets.
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You appear to be unable to understand the legal difference between a cabinet member and a scruffy shit-stain political hack. Wean yourself off of your FOX News addiction, do some reading up on our system of government and how it works, and get back to us when you get your head out of your ass. What's the difference anyway? Bannon is just the latest trump associate to ring up a criminal conviction and go to jail. Par for the course. If you're really lucky, you'll be able to proudly vote for a convicted felon next November you whack-job. -Every damn thing is your own fault if you are any good. | |||
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Dr. Easter is not as stupid as he is played. He understands that Holder cannot testify when President Obama duly , legally invoked executive privilege. Congress and the DOJ understood. That is why there was no referral for criminal contempt to prosecute. The privilege was held by the President and not by Holder. Holder could not testify if he had wanted to. The holder of privilege gets to decide to invoke it. Ban on had no privilege against testifying The law was correctly applied to both cases. Either Dr. Easter is dangerously civically stupid, or he is pretending to deceive people. There is no pass. There is what the law requires. Holder acted lawful. President Obama acted lawful. Bannon did not act lawful. Bannon can go endure the consequences of his unlawful actions. This was not a difficult case. He was not in a gray area. | |||
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Yeah, I know...this is what we've talked about here before. Lane has to do something to rationalize his support for a narcissistic, lying, philandering turd. -Every damn thing is your own fault if you are any good. | |||
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Easy to understand the Holder difference. Not so with Lerner. | |||
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I understand the mechanics of the law. It is the principle and hypocrisy I was pointing out. While not actionable with Holder/0boma… …by comparison…if Bannon’s action was bad…so was Holder’s and 0bama’s — own it! The 0bama/Holder Fast and Furious Op left a fine American LEO dead. And yes…I know it was within the law for them to cover it up. But that is what they did…cover it up — own it. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ J. Lane Easter, DVM A born Texan has instilled in his system a mind-set of no retreat or no surrender. I wish everyone the world over had the dominating spirit that motivates Texans.– Billy Clayton, Speaker of the Texas House No state commands such fierce pride and loyalty. Lesser mortals are pitied for their misfortune in not being born in Texas.— Queen Elizabeth II on her visit to Texas in May, 1991. | |||
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Right. Other than the one thing being against the law and the other not.  -Every damn thing is your own fault if you are any good. | |||
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Right--it's easy to see the difference between Bannon and Holder--except for some. Lane can't see it with it rubbed in his face. But didn't Lerner plead the Fifth? No one including the president can deprive her of her Constitutional rights. | |||
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Lane, they did nothing to Barr either, so fair is fair compared to Holder. The lawyers have yet to explain why Bannon is charged, but Learner and Hillary's IT director Pagliano were not? That is where party politics is coming to play. | |||
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I am not familiar w Learner. If he showed up and pled the 5th, there is nothing to send to DOJ for a criminal contempt. As for HRC IT guy, three facts have to be present: 1 House had to hold IT guy in contempt, 2 House had to make a referral to DOJ, 3 The burden in court is higher than bf the House. As the DOJ had an investigation of the entire HRC matter, Comey was direct that HRC fully cooperated, I am satisfied. The mechanics of the law is the law. That is what makes it the Rule of Law and not whim. As I have tried to instruct w caselaw from day one, in our system of justice it is the process that equals justice. That is why we let guilty people go, or at least get new trials wo the offending, poisonous evidence, when due process rights are violated. The means justify the ends. | |||
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Now let us assume Back 40 is correct, I have long stopped w Jan 6 excusing bad behavior w bad behavior. The reason I identify as a Conservative is bc I thought we believed in the Rule of Law, order, and respect for the institutions that give life to the Constitution. The Left can be damned if it wants. We were better. I see that is not the case. But and what about politics has to end. Otherwise, we have learned nothing from Jan 6 that the Right engaged in. | |||
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Her, Lois Lerner. As for Pagliano, the house did hold him in contempt. They did refer him to be charged. | |||
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Lerner was determined by the DOJ to have invoked her 5th Amendment right. So, that is nothing. Pagliano, I can find a vote by a panel, but I cannot find a vote the full House to make a referral to the DOJ. He was also granted immunity by the Justice Department in exchange for his cooperation. This, it becomes understandable why he was not tried for criminal contempt. He was given immunity in the case being the email, security of HRC. | |||
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Lerner took the 5th. You mean to say there was no evidence anywhere that she went out and played games targeting conservative groups, and because she, in effect, didn't confess they could prove nothing? If they had done like the various groups prosecuting Trump did and went looking, and started talking to everyone she knew, and threatened them with legal action unless they testified against her I suspect that it would have gone further. The IRS makes no claims that they operate on a fairness basis. If that came out popularly, with proof that the agents were operating at whim, there could well be demand on the part of the electorate to purge the IRS and reform the whole system. As it is, transparency at the IRS is something they use on an overhead projector.
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Didn't Lerner resign? If not, Obama should have fired her for taking the Fifth. | |||
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She did resign. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ J. Lane Easter, DVM A born Texan has instilled in his system a mind-set of no retreat or no surrender. I wish everyone the world over had the dominating spirit that motivates Texans.– Billy Clayton, Speaker of the Texas House No state commands such fierce pride and loyalty. Lesser mortals are pitied for their misfortune in not being born in Texas.— Queen Elizabeth II on her visit to Texas in May, 1991. | |||
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Roland, I understand the difference in how it played out in the legal system with Holder vs Bannon. 0bama could have allowed Holder to testify. That case held no secrets important to national security. Or rather maybe it did and national security could have been stronger had that dirty laundry been aired out. But make no mistake I understand how Holder was legally allowed to skate. What I don’t excuse is the mindset that Holder/0bama were pure as the driven snow here while Bannon is satan. If Bannon is bad so goes Holder/0bama for their actions. The fact that one is actionable and one isn’t under the rule of law doesn’t change that. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ J. Lane Easter, DVM A born Texan has instilled in his system a mind-set of no retreat or no surrender. I wish everyone the world over had the dominating spirit that motivates Texans.– Billy Clayton, Speaker of the Texas House No state commands such fierce pride and loyalty. Lesser mortals are pitied for their misfortune in not being born in Texas.— Queen Elizabeth II on her visit to Texas in May, 1991. | |||
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The DOJ's response to the contempt charges from congress was. "We have not charged anyone with contempt since 1983" The pleading the 5th and allowing immunity to Pagliona came after the request to charge them. If you apply things evenly, OK. Bannon looks like partisan politics of Get anything Trump related. Optics count to the public. | |||
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