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Originally posted by crbutler:
It would be hilarious if it wasn't for all those dead Russian and Ukrainian boys lying in the mud of Ukraine.

Putin has lost.

Russia has lost.

So has Ukraine.

I have said before that Russia can eventually "win" this war- make it a war of attrition and eventually they will win, as long as their national will holds out. Barring genocide though, they will never conquer Ukraine.

Putin will not go down as a great man in Russia.

If his goal was to give Russia borders with unaligned nations, his behavior is likely to give him exactly what he supposedly fought to prevent.

If his goal was to add Ukrainian territory to Russia, that still is technically possible, but it will start a perpetual conflict in the region... and Russia will still be having violence from it decades from now.

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Originally posted by Saeed:

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Originally posted by crbutler:
It would be hilarious if it wasn't for all those dead Russian and Ukrainian boys lying in the mud of Ukraine.

Putin has lost.

Russia has lost.

So has Ukraine.

I have said before that Russia can eventually "win" this war- make it a war of attrition and eventually they will win, as long as their national will holds out. Barring genocide though, they will never conquer Ukraine.

Putin will not go down as a great man in Russia.

If his goal was to give Russia borders with unaligned nations, his behavior is likely to give him exactly what he supposedly fought to prevent.

If his goal was to add Ukrainian territory to Russia, that still is technically possible, but it will start a perpetual conflict in the region... and Russia will still be having violence from it decades from now.

True.

But I think we are getting only one side of the story, like in all wars.
I don’t know about one side… Russia has been saying things for quite some time. If you mean the true reasons, you are right, both sides are in propaganda mode.

What did the killing of over 50 thousands Americans achieve in Vietnam?
Not a lot, but it did convince the combloc countries we would fight if we thought necessary. It certainly didn’t accomplish any of our stated war aims.

What did it achieve to see millions killed and suffer because of a lie?
Which lie?
The gulf of Tonkin incident was manufactured.

But was the north trying to take over the south by military means? Looks like “yes.”

What did you achieve after over 20 years of killings in Afghanistan?
We’ve not had a repeat foreign terror attack in the US.

Europe ios saying they cannot produce enough ammo to keep up with what the Ukraine is using.
Which is a result of Europe not paying attention to its defense needs for decades.

All reports seem to say the Ukraine is winning.

Where is the proof?
The Russians are not in Kiev? That the Russians occupy less territory than before?

The West is hell bent on diverting opinions from their own failings at home, and the Putin is a good candidate.

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Originally posted by shankspony:
Saeed. If a coup or insurrection happens shortly in Moldova, is that Moldova's fault or Russias?

Because we can see it playing out exactly like it has time and again through russian influenced states.

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Originally posted by Lamar:
i heard he got full retail... $59.00 Canadian.

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Originally posted by Saeed:
And I wonder how much did Trump get from Israel for him to authorize them to confiscate the Golan Heights?

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Originally posted by Norman Conquest:
Sure, but then it was called French Indo-China + was Ho Chi Mihn V/S the French that pretty much terminated with the French defeat at Dien Ben Phu

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Originally posted by Saeed:
And I wonder how much did Trump get from Israel for him to authorize them to confiscate the Golan Heights?