Meatball Ron.

What sort of an idiot tries to force a private business to adopt his ridiculous political agenda?

A fascist idiot?

https://www.miamiherald.com/op...rticle275557111.html

Whenever that happens, more then likely there wasn’t not much of a plan to begin with and it is just political posturing
You know it I know it but nice try
For short time being here on AR, I consider you an ass with your name callings and antics as you are very predictable

They started it!

Woke bunch of idiots.

Rewriting everything to fit the woke agenda!

I hope they go bankrupt!

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Originally posted by Saeed:
They started it!

Woke bunch of idiots.

Rewriting everything to fit the woke agenda!

I hope they go bankrupt!

As with most of your assertions, you're factually incorrect. Meatball Ron started it with his right-wing cultural agenda. When Disney dared to indicate that they disagreed, Meatball Ron began his campaign against Disney because in a state filled with idiots, he thinks his position is politically advantageous. I guess if you were a Florida voter, he'd have your vote. Not that you'd be familiar with something like the basic human right of voting.

quote:

Originally posted by Kanec:
Whenever that happens, more then likely there wasn’t not much of a plan to begin with and it is just political posturing
You know it I know it but nice try
For short time being here on AR, I consider you an ass with your name callings and antics as you are very predictable

I don't know any such thing and neither do you.

The reporting I am seeing indicates the plan was in the works and over 200 Disney employees had relocated in preparation for it.

You should try to learn something by reading before running your mouth.

>>>>At least 200 Disney employees had made the move to Florida from California for the company's projected new campus, which was axed on Thursday after Disney's spat with Gov. Ron DeSantis reached a fever pitch.<<<<

https://www.businessinsider.co...%20a%20fever%20pitch.

quote:

Originally posted by Mike Mitchell:

quote:

Originally posted by Saeed:
They started it!

Woke bunch of idiots.

Rewriting everything to fit the woke agenda!

I hope they go bankrupt!

As with most of your assertions, you're factually incorrect. Meatball Ron started it with his right-wing cultural agenda. When Disney dared to indicate that they disagreed, Meatball Ron began his campaign against Disney because in a state filled with idiots, he thinks his position is politically advantageous. I guess if you were a Florida voter, he'd have your vote. Not that you'd be familiar with something like the basic human right of voting.

I am ALWAYS right!

About American politics!

quote:

Originally posted by Saeed:

quote:

Originally posted by Mike Mitchell:

quote:

Originally posted by Saeed:
They started it!

Woke bunch of idiots.

Rewriting everything to fit the woke agenda!

I hope they go bankrupt!

As with most of your assertions, you're factually incorrect. Meatball Ron started it with his right-wing cultural agenda. When Disney dared to indicate that they disagreed, Meatball Ron began his campaign against Disney because in a state filled with idiots, he thinks his position is politically advantageous. I guess if you were a Florida voter, he'd have your vote. Not that you'd be familiar with something like the basic human right of voting.

I am ALWAYS right!

About American politics!

Sure you are.

Given how Disney has been retrenching lately, who knows if this is really related to FL politics and DeSantis.

Businesses lie almost as much as politicians.

If they said we decided not to invest due to declining sales, their stock does what?

It’s easy to claim something. I hope a business makes decisions on business matters, not on something else… or else they will get in trouble at some point.

DeSantis probably put the arm on Disney for a hefty campaign contribution and they turned him down - he’s acting like a Trump style petulant little prick with an axe to grind.

If Disney slid him a couple of millions under the table all of a sudden they’d once again be Gods gift to Florida.

Never underestimate the depths to which a politician will sink. I’ll bet you can’t name me a single one (since Jimmy Carter) that you’d honestly call ethical.

In the professional world, it’s often said that the cream rises to the top - in politics, it’s the scum.

According to earlier published reports, Iger was looking for a reason to ax the project.

Simple, Just move the project to San Fran. or Portland and everyone will be on board.
Community, government.
Rock and roll!

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Originally posted by eezridr:
Simple, Just move the project to San Fran. or Portland and everyone will be on board.
Community, government.
Rock and roll!

And have our very own MM run it

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Originally posted by JudgeG:
According to earlier published reports, Iger was looking for a reason to ax the project.

Earnest, really, injecting facts into this

how dare you

a down economy
rising cost of funds
down stock
declining overall business
new CEO
and mad at a governor

pretty low risk play on Disney's part, and when politicized correctly, it'll leave a mark

quote:

Originally posted by JudgeG:
According to earlier published reports, Iger was looking for a reason to ax the project.

Even if that is true (link? cite?) what does it have to do with a governor trying to mandate how a business does business? Disney wants to build shit, employ people and pay taxes. In Florida. Why on earth would a republican governor be attacking a business like that? Because he thinks it makes the trumptards happy? Hmmm....

trump (and meatball ron is just a smaller version of him) has turned the republican world upside down.

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Originally posted by jeffeosso:
a down economy
rising cost of funds
down stock
declining overall business
new CEO
and mad at a governor

pretty low risk play on Disney's part, and when politicized correctly, it'll leave a mark

Declining business?

>>>Disney continues to post strong earnings thanks to its theme park division. The quarter two financial report on May 10 showed Disney earned $1.27 billion, up from $470 million a year ago, and revenue rose 13%, meeting the Wall Street forecast.<<<

In terms of the investment in question MM -


https://www.hollywoodreporter....pu-rises-1235484314/

https://www.techradar.com/news...-their-subscriptions

https://www.latimes.com/entert...ion-hulu-espn-chapek

https://finance.yahoo.com/quot...p=DIS&.tsrc=fin-srch

Those big companies should wake up.

One can buy a device off Amazon for a few Dollars.

Get a subscription of around $24 a month.

And get access to every conceivable tv station in the world.

In practically any language!

Florida's US Senators indicating DeSantis needs to chill. I guess I should say Florida's Republican Senators. Even trump recognizes it is idiotic for DeSantis to be attacking Disney.

https://thehill.com/homenews/s...g-fight-with-disney/

Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis’s battle with Disney has gone too far in the view of some Republican lawmakers who are growing increasingly worried about preserving the GOP’s traditional reputation as a pro-business party focused on economic growth and job creation.

Sen. Rick Scott (R-Fla.), who served as Florida’s governor from 2011 to 2019, says it’s time for “cooler heads to prevail,” noting Disney is a major employer that draws in huge numbers of tourists who boost the state economy.

Scott says the legislation DeSantis signed to prohibit classroom instruction about gender orientation to young children, which sparked the feud, “was a good bill,” but he stressed Disney’s importance to the state economy.

“This is the biggest or second-biggest employer in the state. Half the tourism that comes to our state comes to visit Disney. It’s a reason people come to our state. After they come there, people move there. So I think cooler heads need to prevail. My view is we have to do everything to help our businesses grow,” Scott said in an interview.

Sen. Marco Rubio (R), who has represented Florida in the Senate since 2011, told Fox News last month it’s “problematic” if state actions toward an individual or business appear driven more by politics.

“I think where it gets problematic in the eyes of some people is when you start creating the idea — and I’m not saying we’re there yet as a state — but the idea that somehow if you run crossways with us politically, whoever’s in charge, then you may wind up in the crosshairs of the legislature for political purposes to make a statement at you,” he said.

Rubio told The Hill more recently the Florida Legislature “has a right every year to revisit” the special status Disney enjoys within its special district, which gives the company control over roads, utilities, zoning, building codes, fire service and waste collection.

But Rubio warned that “if it starts to be perceived that any corporate entity that’s operating directly or indirectly in furtherance of a political agenda that the powers that be don’t agree with, therefore we’re going to use the power of government to target you, you get concerned.”


“If a Democratic [governor] and a Democratic Legislature takes over Florida, they’re going to go after Chick-fil-A?” he asked.

DeSantis has come under new scrutiny and criticism because of his battle with Disney, the company most prominently associated with his home state.

Former President Donald Trump, DeSantis’s likely rival for the presidential nomination, attacked the governor Thursday for “single-handedly” costing his home state a major investment.


Trump predicted Disney may wind up changing course on plans to spend $17 billion on a separate investment into Disney World.

“DeSanctus is being absolutely destroyed by Disney,” Trump posted on his Truth Social platform, using a derisive nickname for the Florida governor.

“His original P.R. plan fizzled, so now he’s going back with a new one in order to save face. Disney’s next move will be the announcement that no more money will be invested in Florida because of the Governor,” Trump wrote.


Other Republicans outside of Florida are expressing doubts about the DeSantis strategy with Disney.

“I think it’s a two-edged sword,” said Sen. Thom Tillis (R-N.C.) of DeSantis’s moves to punish Disney for opposing the Parental Rights in Education Act last year.

“If Disney were in North Carolina and I was Speaker of the [state]house, I probably would have addressed some of the concerns that DeSantis pointed out but would have gone about it a little bit differently,” he said.


“Because then you get into this messaging war. Mickey Mouse is involved,” he said. “You need to explain what you’re doing, and it goes beyond just the cancel culture, woke narrative.

“I just don’t think the public battle is helpful.”

DeSantis’s bitter feud with Disney, one of Florida’s biggest employers, came back into the spotlight this past week when Disney announced it will cancel plans to build a $1 billion office complex in Orlando that was projected to bring 2,000 high-paying jobs to the area.


The move comes after a board appointed by DeSantis with jurisdiction over Disney’s special district voted to sue Disney to invalidate the company’s oversight of municipal services and development in the area around Walt Disney World.

Then on May 5, DeSantis signed a bill to give his handpicked allies the power to void all agreements their predecessors signed with Disney before stepping down from the Central Tourism Oversight District Board.

Josh D’Amaro, Disney’s head of theme parks, explained in an email to employees that “changing business conditions” were behind the decision to cancel the new $1 billion office park in Florida.


As recently as 2021, he praised the state for having “a business-friendly climate” when he launched the project, according to The New York Times.

And while D’Amaro said the company still plans to move ahead with $17 billion in new construction at Disney World, he suggested those plans may change, too.

“I hope we’re able to,” he wrote to employees.

Florida’s long friendly relationship with Disney suddenly soured last year when then-Disney CEO Bob Chapek, under pressure from employees and LGBTQ advocates, expressed his “disappointment” to DeSantis over the governor’s support for the Parental Rights Education Act.

Critics refer derisively to the legislation as the “Don’t Say Gay” law.

DeSantis took a shot at Disney in February when he signed into law a bill ending the company’s control of its special-tax district outside Orlando, proclaiming “there’s a new sheriff in town” and “the corporate kingdom finally comes to an end.”

The company then outmaneuvered DeSantis while he was celebrating his apparent victory by signing 30-year zoning, infrastructure and other rights-related deals with the outgoing members of the board that oversees the Central Florida Tourism Oversight District.

DeSantis cried foul and sent a letter to Melinda Miguel, Florida’s chief inspector general, slamming the new agreements as “collusive and self-dealing” and instructing her to refer “any legal or ethical violations” to “the proper authorities.”

At the same time, DeSantis’s newly appointed allies on the board hired lawyers to prepare to take Disney to court.

Disney struck first by filing a lawsuit against DeSantis and the special district’s board on April 26, accusing them of orchestrating “a targeted campaign of government retaliation.”

Walt Disney for governor. Oh wait, he's dead, does that matter ?

Grizz

Disney (in Florida, anyway) wasn’t just a corporation exercising its prerogative to put forth its social agenda. It was a quasi-governmental entity that, with special enabling legislation, actually governed. When it accepted that status, granted by the legislature, it did so only at the pleasure of the past and and currently elected governments. It wasn’t a “forever” license. No one is telling Disney (or Chick Filet) it can’t have a “woke” agenda, but todays elected government is telling them that they can’t have a “woke” agenda AND, in effect, continue to have the “pleasure” of governing themselves.

Disney is now just another corporation with the same rights as most all others. It can be as “woke” as it wants. And, what exactly is the matter with that.

While getting in a pissing contest with Disney is probably the bone-headed move
of the year, I think DeSantis will prevail in both the Disney suit against him and his against the Disney attempts to “control from the grave”.

First, Disney wasn’t granted a right to govern forever. If a legislature can consider the political ramifications in creating a special gov’t district, what stops it from being political in taking it away.

Secondly, most every law passed is subject to the next legislature’s whim. That’s why we have periodic elections. Though generally much more difficult, even Constitutions can be changed at the will of the people. Laws in perpetuity are anti-democratic.

quote:

Originally posted by JudgeG:
Disney (in Florida, anyway) wasn’t just a corporation exercising its prerogative to put forth its social agenda. It was a quasi-governmental entity that, with special enabling legislation, actually governed. When it accepted that status, granted by the legislature, it did so only at the pleasure of the past and and currently elected governments. It wasn’t a “forever” license. No one is telling Disney (or Chick Filet) it can’t have a “woke” agenda, but todays elected government is telling them that they can’t have a “woke” agenda AND, in effect, continue to have the “pleasure” of governing themselves.

Disney is now just another corporation with the same rights as most all others. It can be as “woke” as it wants. And, what exactly is the matter with that.

While getting in a pissing contest with Disney is probably the bone-headed move
of the year, I think DeSantis will prevail in both the Disney suit against him and his against the Disney attempts to “control from the grave”.

First, Disney wasn’t granted a right to govern forever. If a legislature can consider the political ramifications in creating a special gov’t district, what stops it from being political in taking it away.

Secondly, most every law passed is subject to the next legislature’s whim. That’s why we have periodic elections. Though generally much more difficult, even Constitutions can be changed at the will of the people. Laws in perpetuity are anti-democratic.

Good lord, you act like Disney got all those privileges out of the goodness of Florida's heart. Either that or the billions and billions of dollars in tourist revenue (tax and otherwise) that Disney generates for the state.

And, by the way....the First Amendment isn't anti-democratic. Disney is entitled to take issue with DeSantis' policies by exercising their First Amendment rights without being subject to political reprisal. If you want to talk about something being anti-democratic, you can start with that.

Lol!

Finally a corporation that liberals want to have political influence!

quote:

Originally posted by Mike Mitchell:

And, by the way....the First Amendment isn't anti-democratic. Disney is entitled to take issue with DeSantis' policies by exercising their First Amendment rights without being subject to political reprisal. :

Lord have mercy, A dem demanding that a corporation is a person - the wonders never end

quote:

Originally posted by Mike Mitchell:

quote:

Originally posted by JudgeG:
Disney (in Florida, anyway) wasn’t just a corporation exercising its prerogative to put forth its social agenda. It was a quasi-governmental entity that, with special enabling legislation, actually governed. When it accepted that status, granted by the legislature, it did so only at the pleasure of the past and and currently elected governments. It wasn’t a “forever” license. No one is telling Disney (or Chick Filet) it can’t have a “woke” agenda, but todays elected government is telling them that they can’t have a “woke” agenda AND, in effect, continue to have the “pleasure” of governing themselves.

Disney is now just another corporation with the same rights as most all others. It can be as “woke” as it wants. And, what exactly is the matter with that.

While getting in a pissing contest with Disney is probably the bone-headed move
of the year, I think DeSantis will prevail in both the Disney suit against him and his against the Disney attempts to “control from the grave”.

First, Disney wasn’t granted a right to govern forever. If a legislature can consider the political ramifications in creating a special gov’t district, what stops it from being political in taking it away.

Secondly, most every law passed is subject to the next legislature’s whim. That’s why we have periodic elections. Though generally much more difficult, even Constitutions can be changed at the will of the people. Laws in perpetuity are anti-democratic.

Good lord, you act like Disney got all those privileges out of the goodness of Florida's heart. Either that or the billions and billions of dollars in tourist revenue (tax and otherwise) that Disney generates for the state.

And, by the way....the First Amendment isn't anti-democratic. Disney is entitled to take issue with DeSantis' policies by exercising their First Amendment rights without being subject to political reprisal. If you want to talk about something being anti-democratic, you can start with that.

So if a corporation brings enough revenue into a state, they should be a self governing entity? Interesting…..

I guess Florida, or one of its political subdivisions, will be taking over the public water, sewer, electricity, trash removal, and so on, all of which Disney has been supplying to its own grounds and surroundings.

If Disney is just another corporation, then it's entitled to public services in exchange for the taxes it pays. Part of the consideration for self-governance was for Disney to build, operate, and maintain public services to itself. The ultimate irony may come when Disney sells multi-millions in infrastructure to the state so the state can meet its new obligations--using the same tax revenue.

SCOTUS doesn’t rule (only presides) during the impeachment process because it’s always been recognized as political decision and the legislative branch’s province. Like tax rates, school choice or government salaries.

Like the above examples, creating the Reedy Creek special district was a political policy act. Disney had no vested right to its creation or continued existence. Disney apparently pissed off the political decision makers and the privilege was politically rescinded.

Again, Disney had every right to go “woke”. It did so, however, at the risk that elected Florida government, if it didn’t agree with the “woke” agenda, could politically withdraw the privilege of self government…. But not losing the right to press the agenda… just not as a politically created entity.

There is no way in hell, despite all the posturing, that DeSantis war on Disney is in any conceivable way beneficial to Florida. Florida republicans have complained about this directly, saying that fully 1/2 of all Florida tourism is on Disney. Bite the hand that feeds you. Walt should have left that swamp just as it was.

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Originally posted by crbutler:
Lol!

Finally a corporation that liberals want to have political influence!

A bit ironic isn't it?

But its just another example of liberal hypocrisy.....

.

quote:

Originally posted by jdollar:

quote:

Originally posted by Mike Mitchell:

quote:

Originally posted by JudgeG:
Disney (in Florida, anyway) wasn’t just a corporation exercising its prerogative to put forth its social agenda. It was a quasi-governmental entity that, with special enabling legislation, actually governed. When it accepted that status, granted by the legislature, it did so only at the pleasure of the past and and currently elected governments. It wasn’t a “forever” license. No one is telling Disney (or Chick Filet) it can’t have a “woke” agenda, but todays elected government is telling them that they can’t have a “woke” agenda AND, in effect, continue to have the “pleasure” of governing themselves.

Disney is now just another corporation with the same rights as most all others. It can be as “woke” as it wants. And, what exactly is the matter with that.

While getting in a pissing contest with Disney is probably the bone-headed move
of the year, I think DeSantis will prevail in both the Disney suit against him and his against the Disney attempts to “control from the grave”.

First, Disney wasn’t granted a right to govern forever. If a legislature can consider the political ramifications in creating a special gov’t district, what stops it from being political in taking it away.

Secondly, most every law passed is subject to the next legislature’s whim. That’s why we have periodic elections. Though generally much more difficult, even Constitutions can be changed at the will of the people. Laws in perpetuity are anti-democratic.

Good lord, you act like Disney got all those privileges out of the goodness of Florida's heart. Either that or the billions and billions of dollars in tourist revenue (tax and otherwise) that Disney generates for the state.

And, by the way....the First Amendment isn't anti-democratic. Disney is entitled to take issue with DeSantis' policies by exercising their First Amendment rights without being subject to political reprisal. If you want to talk about something being anti-democratic, you can start with that.

So if a corporation brings enough revenue into a state, they should be a self governing entity? Interesting…..

Yes! Well......uhm........only if they have a leftist agenda!!!!

Yeah! That's the ticket!

I’m not sure I disagree with you,

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Originally posted by wymple:
There is no way in hell, despite all the posturing, that DeSantis war on Disney is in any conceivable way beneficial to Florida. Florida republicans have complained about this directly, saying that fully 1/2 of all Florida tourism is on Disney. Bite the hand that feeds you. Walt should have left that swamp just as it was.

quote:

Originally posted by jdollar:

quote:

Originally posted by Mike Mitchell:

quote:

Originally posted by JudgeG:
Disney (in Florida, anyway) wasn’t just a corporation exercising its prerogative to put forth its social agenda. It was a quasi-governmental entity that, with special enabling legislation, actually governed. When it accepted that status, granted by the legislature, it did so only at the pleasure of the past and and currently elected governments. It wasn’t a “forever” license. No one is telling Disney (or Chick Filet) it can’t have a “woke” agenda, but todays elected government is telling them that they can’t have a “woke” agenda AND, in effect, continue to have the “pleasure” of governing themselves.

Disney is now just another corporation with the same rights as most all others. It can be as “woke” as it wants. And, what exactly is the matter with that.

While getting in a pissing contest with Disney is probably the bone-headed move
of the year, I think DeSantis will prevail in both the Disney suit against him and his against the Disney attempts to “control from the grave”.

First, Disney wasn’t granted a right to govern forever. If a legislature can consider the political ramifications in creating a special gov’t district, what stops it from being political in taking it away.

Secondly, most every law passed is subject to the next legislature’s whim. That’s why we have periodic elections. Though generally much more difficult, even Constitutions can be changed at the will of the people. Laws in perpetuity are anti-democratic.

Good lord, you act like Disney got all those privileges out of the goodness of Florida's heart. Either that or the billions and billions of dollars in tourist revenue (tax and otherwise) that Disney generates for the state.

And, by the way....the First Amendment isn't anti-democratic. Disney is entitled to take issue with DeSantis' policies by exercising their First Amendment rights without being subject to political reprisal. If you want to talk about something being anti-democratic, you can start with that.

So if a corporation brings enough revenue into a state, they should be a self governing entity? Interesting…..

Well, it seems like Florida thinks so...and has for 50 years. What changed?

Disney has morphed into a mini-leftist organization.
We don't need them.
Boycott them.
Don't want them in Texas.
Wish they would fold up Mickey's ears and go silent.

quote:

Originally posted by dogcat:
Disney has morphed into a mini-leftist organization.
We don't need them.
Boycott them.
Don't want them in Texas.
Wish they would fold up Mickey's ears and go silent.

Asinine. It's people like you who empower DeSantis to do what he's doing. Disney is taking the position that it's wrong for the state to discriminate against people who are gay or transgender or somehow different than you. And, Disney is right.

When leaders of corporations decide to get into politics...they reap what they sow! Whether it be left or right.

They decide to step out there, they should deal with the fall out...

This attitude astonishes me. That anyone would think it's a OK and a good road to travel when a political disagreement relating to the exercise of your First Amendment right of free speech authorizes a state government to punish the person or entity they disagree with by imposing new taxes on that person or corporation. Especially when, as here, it's being done so Meatball Ron can ingratiate himself with the right-wing whackjobs aka trumptards in an effort to get himself elected to either POTUS or another term as governor. It's Nazi fascist shit.

Shows you how far down the rabbit hole you idiots have gone.

In my case, I’m against corporate welfare.

Giving special privileges to any business bugs me.

While DeSantis is using a rather lame reason to do so, the underlying goal is to get rid of this sort of special privileges. If everyone has to live under the same rules, MAYBE the loud special interests will get everyone treated better.

To me the whole LBGTQ aspect of this is a nonissue. Why should Disney have any more say than any of a million other FL voters?

quote:

Originally posted by crbutler:
In my case, I’m against corporate welfare.

Giving special privileges to any business bugs me.

While DeSantis is using a rather lame reason to do so, the underlying goal is to get rid of this sort of special privileges. If everyone has to live under the same rules, MAYBE the loud special interests will get everyone treated better.

To me the whole LBGTQ aspect of this is a nonissue. Why should Disney have any more say than any of a million other FL voters?

Doc, that is pure bullshit and you know it. The only underlying goal here is to enhance DeSantis' attraction to looney tune trumptard republicans so he can try to get elected POTUS. Disney's special status with the state of Florida has never been an issue before this nonsense popped up because Disney brings the almighty dollar to the state like no other corporation.

And, Disney doesn't have any more say than any of a million other Florida voters, at least in the context of voting. Hell, less, since a corporation can't vote. But, they are entitled to their say and they ought to be entitled to it without political or financial repercussions. Maybe I'm not understanding it the way you intended it.

I don't understand the statement that the whole LBGTQ aspect is a non-issue. It's the sole issue. That, and the First Amendment to the Constitution of the United States of America.

If Florida voters and the rest of the US population are unhappy with what the folks at Disney are saying, then stop being Disney patrons.

Abridging the constitutional right to free speech by punishing the speaker with additional taxes isn't the way.

Again, it just astonishes me that anybody could support what DeSantis is doing. Using the power of his political office to punish a company that disagrees with his political positions.

UN-American much?

quote:

While DeSantis is using a rather lame reason to do so, the underlying goal is to get rid of this sort of special privileges.

Haven't you been keeping up with the story? Desantis's goal isn't to end corporate special privileges for certain parties. If that was his goal, I too applaud it.

But the real goal is to silence dissent over Desantis's "Don't Say Gay" policies. That makes this a First Amendment issue.

Mike Mitchell is correct.