And your side wants to legitimize the nuts with public policy.

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Originally posted by ledvm:

It is not the kid I am worried about at all. The kid needs some direction and guidance and will grow out of it. There are no bad kids…just bad parents.

Which leads to the worry. That parent wanted her kid to be treated medically like a cat! She considered legal action to make that happen. That is f***ing looney tunes. And not only that…it is child endangerment.

It is the attitude of the adult which ‘should’ trouble you.

No proof of rabbit-holes? Well I guess it depends on the definition and context.

I my case it is a metaphor for societal degradation that has a point of no return. No proof that occurs??? Well go try to find some 2023 denari.

So, now it's not the kid but the parent that worries you? The mom is a nut now, granted, but the kid will grow up to be a cat who might vote. So, when we have evidence, like lots of pictures, of cat tails poking out of polling booths, or signature lines on mail in ballots with paw prints, get back with us.

If I worry, much, about attitudes, it will be over something that has potential to change something fundamental in the country/society. Project 25 is just such "attitude".

Social degradation is best shown with evidence, not metaphor. "Point of no return"? Return to what?

Maybe the "what" is the social contract of Jefferson and Locke. Or are we past the point of no return to that Grand Idea, which was expressed through OUR secular constitution?

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The world has always been filled with nuts.

I believe the percentage has gone way up.

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"Point of no return"? Return to what?

A failing institution.

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Originally posted by ledvm:

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The world has always been filled with nuts.

I believe the percentage has gone way up.

I dunno. Think about the fact that 80 years ago a World War was raging that killed 55 million people all told. Now, that's nuts.

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Originally posted by Mike Mitchell:

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Originally posted by ledvm:

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The world has always been filled with nuts.

I believe the percentage has gone way up.

I dunno. Think about the fact that 80 years ago a World War was raging that killed 55 million people all told. Now, that's nuts.

However, the US industrial base and the Greatest Generation was able to overcome.

Today we are too nutty to muster such a victory and WWIII will eventually occur.

If WWIII occurs, it will be because your appeasement of Putin won the day.

It has nothing to do w society accepting gay, trans people as citizens w equality under the law to you.

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Originally posted by ledvm:

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Originally posted by Mike Mitchell:

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Originally posted by ledvm:

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The world has always been filled with nuts.

I believe the percentage has gone way up.

I dunno. Think about the fact that 80 years ago a World War was raging that killed 55 million people all told. Now, that's nuts.

However, the US industrial base and the Greatest Generation was able to overcome.

Today we are too nutty to muster such a victory and WWIII will eventually occur.

The Russians won WW2, not us.

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Originally posted by LHeym500:
If WWIII occurs, it will be because your appeasement of Putin won the day.

Putin…I am not worried about. Xi worries me. Albeit, Russia will join the Axis.

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Originally posted by Mike Mitchell:

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Originally posted by ledvm:

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Originally posted by Mike Mitchell:

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Originally posted by ledvm:

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The world has always been filled with nuts.

I believe the percentage has gone way up.

I dunno. Think about the fact that 80 years ago a World War was raging that killed 55 million people all told. Now, that's nuts.

However, the US industrial base and the Greatest Generation was able to overcome.

Today we are too nutty to muster such a victory and WWIII will eventually occur.

The Russians won WW2, not us.

They were so helpful in the South Pacific.

Certainly they were 50% of the equation in Europe.

I think your point is actually where the issue lies.

The religious conservatives do not get treated the same way under the law and publicly as the so called protected classes.

See special circumstance rules and hate crime laws.

If an ultra conservative religious sect does something with a kid, they end up ring charged with child abuse, consider female genital mutilation. Yet gender reassignment surgery is being protected and encouraged.

Now I can get why some of this has occurred, but apparently those supporting the left just are unwilling to recognize the double standard there.

That you refuse to acknowledge that and debate it without demonizing the other side shows that you are no better than they.

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Originally posted by LHeym500:
If WWIII occurs, it will be because your appeasement of Putin won the day.

It has nothing to do w society accepting gay, trans people as citizens w equality under the law to you.

That’s highly debatable.
While the Soviets did most of the ground fighting against the Nazis, they did almost nothing against Japan or Italy.

If we would have refused to open a second front, the Germans and Soviets would likely have came to some sort of negotiated settlement. Stalin flat out threatened that.

So while the USSR did bear the brunt of ground combat and losses, they did not “win” the war, it was a combined allied effort. While the US certainly didn’t pay as steep a price, without us given time, Germany would likely continue its evil course with the Nazis still in power with a totalitarian state.

Hitlerites armed with ICBM’s, H bombs, and such? I would give little chance there would not have been a nuclear exchange by now.

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Originally posted by Mike Mitchell:

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Originally posted by ledvm:

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Originally posted by Mike Mitchell:

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Originally posted by ledvm:

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The world has always been filled with nuts.

I believe the percentage has gone way up.

I dunno. Think about the fact that 80 years ago a World War was raging that killed 55 million people all told. Now, that's nuts.

However, the US industrial base and the Greatest Generation was able to overcome.

Today we are too nutty to muster such a victory and WWIII will eventually occur.

The Russians won WW2, not us.

Yes they do.

Dr. Easter can stand in his yard and preach gays are abominations all he want.

The line is drawn at refusing services in the public sphere.

If a church does not want to admit Gay people current S. Ct., precedent permits that.

What about cats?

Tell me, then, what is the technical difference between female circumcision and gender reassignment surgery?

Both are being requested by the purported responsible party, both involve sexuality, and both are regarded as a barbaric procedure by the majority of the electorate when performed on children.

Not intent.

Per the Somali folks I talked with about this, it is about feeling accepted in society as who you are and fitting in properly…

Note I don’t agree with FGM, but I am hard pressed to find a difference between this and gender reassignment before 18.

ETA for gender dysphoria.

One is recognized by your profession to treat gender dysphoria.

A person who is not hired bc he is a Christian will have a federal cause of action. Just like a trans person who is not hired for the predominant purpose of being trans.
Dr. Easter and religious conservatives are not being best to death in bathrooms.

The vast majority do not recognize the appropriateness of surgery or hormone blockers for children.

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One is recognized by your profession to treat gender dysphoria.

A person who is not hired bc he is a Christian will have a federal cause of action. Just like a trans person who is not hired for the predominant purpose of being trans.
Dr. Easter and religious conservatives are not being best to death in bathrooms.

I disagree w surgery. The AMA does recognize surgery as an option.

I am fine if states want to say no surgery during minority through legislation.

The point is the child, parents, and treating doctors should have to main voice.

None of this has to do w your contention Christians are not treated equally under the law. Of course, I responded to both.

The issue you sidestepped is that the government is allowing public spaces to be used for the one side (I realize this is over multiple discussions) and not the other, and to the folks involved it feels like discrimination.

Is it by the letter of the law? No IMO, but that is often a subjective judgement.

No side stepping.

The state cannot, must not, shall not endorse or be partial to a religion.

See my prior responses.

Christians were never criminalized in my life time. Gay people were. In Dr. Easter’s world still would be.

Take your false narrative of Christianity is being outlawed somewhere else.

False narrative?

I did not say it was illegal.

Rather, I said that the fact that an ostensibly sexualized performance (drag queen, not a book reading by a transgender person) being provided in the public space was interpreted as being discriminatory towards the religious folks by the religious folks.

Frankly, exposing children to de facto hyper sexual performance art has no social benefit. While religious instruction may have some benefit, it is against the secular rules to have it at a public facility and recommended for attendance by the secular authorities.

If they are calling it themselves “drag queen story hour” that is in itself (via simple logic) an attempt to normalize and gain acceptance for their sexual act.

I don’t agree with the desire to overtly castigate some due to their gender identity or sexuality, but I’m also not for normalizing it in children, either.

There is very little “settled science” in medicine. Usually when we start getting the legal system involved in medical decisions it turns out in error. That should be kept in mind by all sides here.

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Originally posted by LHeym500:
No side stepping.

The state cannot, must not, shall not endorse or be partial to a religion.

See my prior responses.

Christians were never criminalized in my life time. Gay people were. In Dr. Easter’s world still would be.

Take your false narrative of Christianity is being outlawed somewhere else.

False narrative that Christians are enjoying less civil equality than gay and trans people.

Reasons, but not limited to, already given.

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Originally posted by ledvm:
That we even have a person here that wants to defend this behavior as being acceptable in society is proof of how far down the rabbit hole we have actually gone as a society.

Not "We" Doc.......definitely not "we" .......this is another situation of they......



"We" are sane......


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Originally posted by Mike Mitchell:
It amazes me that people get so spun up over such stupid shit. Some whacko posts a whacko video on instagram and the world as we know it has ended?

Who cares? The world has always been filled with nuts. The difference today is that they have a platform to be nutty on that allows them to reach millions of people.

Mikey.....mikey.....mikey.....people are sometimes,insane....fact....catering to the insanity? That's what is just ridiculous..... I know, I know, you and your ilk thrive on the ridiculous, but that just makes you, well, ridiculous!

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Originally posted by JTEX:

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Originally posted by ledvm:
That we even have a person here that wants to defend this behavior as being acceptable in society is proof of how far down the rabbit hole we have actually gone as a society.

Not "We" Doc.......definitely not "we" .......this is another situation of they......



"We" are sane......


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Thank God Joshua is not in charge of anything in my neck of the woods. He would force me to spend time and money on the candidate to run against him.