https://apple.news/AR3jTGUsxSi-P_7sZh7q2Qw

Heat waves across the US, Europe, and Africa with Wildfires.

No, it is not a normal summer in Texas or anywhere.

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Originally posted by bluefish:
https://www.foxnews.com/opinio...-this-summer-explain

U.S. Annual Heat Wave Index, 1895–2021 (EPA)

I posted this from the National Institute on Weather, but here it is repackaged.

Let us not forget the 100 degree ocean temps.

https://apple.news/ANscl0R7qTVKTLbJ5z5ZMfA

This was in the Northwest last year-https://www.opb.org/article/2022/09/28/pacific-northwest-heat-wave-2021-oregon-summer-weather-heat-dome-climate-change/?outputType=amp

I will believe the National Weather Forecast.

https://www.weather.gov/pah/HeatWaveJune2022

The article did not state how they obtained their measurements.

Spot measurement is the historical record, but we’ve had plenty of data that shows it’s flawed based on locational proximity to manmade structures- a temp from DC in 1830 is going to be different due to roads and buildings that have been placed.

I can say that my trip to South Africa was the coldest I’ve been to down there this year. That’s hardly a definitive proof, but they did say that their snowfall in joberg was the first in a decade plus.

The article admits the El Niño pattern is playing part… but made a vague statement that scientists say it’s proving global warming all while admitting the real scientists are stating you can’t make the claim until the data is in sometime in august.

And folks wonder why many don’t trust so called “science” reporting?

No, it does not. I have provided that information in other articles I have posted here.

Pick who you want to believe, but folks are starting to see we are not in a Noel summer. We can argue about the why.

Here is what NOAA says about it. I believe NOAA, Reuters, and the BBC. I do not believe anything from Fox News which is on record that they are an entertainment company.

https://www.climate.gov/news-f...ve-their-hottest-day

https://www.bbc.com/news/scien...ronment-66143682.amp

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Originally posted by crbutler:
The article did not state how they obtained their measurements.

Spot measurement is the historical record, but we’ve had plenty of data that shows it’s flawed based on locational proximity to manmade structures- a temp from DC in 1830 is going to be different due to roads and buildings that have been placed.

I can say that my trip to South Africa was the coldest I’ve been to down there this year. That’s hardly a definitive proof, but they did say that their snowfall in joberg was the first in a decade plus.

The article admits the El Niño pattern is playing part… but made a vague statement that scientists say it’s proving global warming all while admitting the real scientists are stating you can’t make the claim until the data is in sometime in august.

And folks wonder why many don’t trust so called “science” reporting?

They are lying!

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Originally posted by LHeym500:
https://apple.news/AR3jTGUsxSi-P_7sZh7q2Qw

Heat waves across the US, Europe, and Africa with Wildfires.

No, it is not a normal summer in Texas or anywhere.

What is a normal Texas summer?

i have family in Houston, Austin, and Dallas - it's been record breaking hot in all three -

Canyon lake is nearing an all time low

The records are undeniable. The cause may be debatable but I personally think it’s mankind’s footprint. Bleached coral in the FL Keys is hard to ignore, as is 100F water temp.

I used to like to argue about climate science, and banter with deniers. Not anymore; I don't like it.

It's useless.

With Putin threatening nukes, Trump threatening Fascism, the failure of the two-party system, tens of millions American who think violence, civil war, is justified to put Trump back in the WH, and scientists claiming we have past the tipping point in climate change, I think the best thing to do is arm myself.

There is an article that I've read several times, and hesitate to post the link. That's because it is so negative - perhaps nihilistic. It's like the articles that used to be posted from American Stinker - lots of claims but little support backup. But it resonates.

https://www.salon.com/2020/11/...us-not-donald-trump/

The politics of cultural despair: That's what's killing us, not Donald Trump
The United States has become a grotesque shadow of itself. The absurd Trump regime is a symptom, not a cause

Nations in terminal decline embrace, as Sigmund Freud understood, the death instinct. No longer sustained by the comforting illusion of inevitable human progress, they lose the only antidote to nihilism.

Here is an excerpt that is from Sigmund Freud. IMO, this is the future of humanity:

"Men are not gentle creatures who want to be loved, and who at the most can defend themselves if they are attacked," Freud wrote.

"They are, on the contrary, creatures among whose instinctual endowments is to be reckoned a powerful share of aggressiveness. As a result, their neighbor is for them not only a potential helper or sexual object, but also someone who tempts them to satisfy their aggressiveness on him, to exploit his capacity for work without compensation, to use him sexually without his consent, to seize his possessions, to humiliate him, to cause him pain, to torture and to kill him. Homo homini lupus. Who, in the face of all his experience of life and history, will have the courage to dispute this assertion? As a rule, this cruel aggressiveness waits for some provocation or puts itself at the service of some other purpose, whose goal might also have been reached by milder measures. In circumstances that are favorable to it, when the mental counter-forces which ordinarily inhibit it are out of action, it also manifests itself spontaneously and reveals man as a savage beast to whom consideration towards his own kind is something alien."

Freud, like Primo Levi, got it. The moral life is a matter of circumstances. Moral consideration, as I saw in the wars I covered, largely disappears in moments of extremity. It is the luxury of the privileged. "Ten percent of any population is cruel, no matter what, and 10 percent is merciful, no matter what, and the remaining 80 percent can be moved in either direction," Susan Sontag said.

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So, Jefferson's dream of the "social contract", per the constitution, was good for over 200 years, is worthless in the current political, social, cultural divide. Given the stresses it is even more vulnerable.

https://www.noaa.gov/education...orker%20productivity.

Climate change impacts

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Originally posted by jdollar:
The records are undeniable. The cause may be debatable but I personally think it’s mankind’s footprint. Bleached coral in the FL Keys is hard to ignore, as is 100F water temp.

What has caused all the previous ice ages and warm ups??

Those took thousands of years. It's been accelerated exponentially.

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What has caused all the previous ice ages and warm ups??

Whatever the cause, whatever the effect, science informed us about the past and present.

It seems contradictory to me that knowledge from science is used to deny science.

That makes no sense Kabob.
The only thing that should dispute science, is science. As we have gone round and round on this. Science is always changing, and scientists agree it's a good thing it does.

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The only thing that should dispute science, is science. As we have gone round and round on this.

That's my point. Thanks

In this case of denial - "the climate has always changed" - that's not science disputing science. It's selectively affirming some science while using that part to deny another, related, science, by people who are not scientists.

What part of that do you not understand?

The way you tried to say it first made no sense, this second time is better.

Most of the “denial” has more to do with the unsupported recommendations than it has to do with the data points… although science is rife with folks manipulating data to get a conclusion they want.

Publish or perish is a credo of academic science.

Anyone who is a scientist or is scientifically trained knows this.

One red flag is an insistence on a conclusion that has no direct bearing on the the data provided.

I am a scientist and deal with a lot of information on a daily basis as part of my job and data can and does get manipulated. If you have a preconceived result in mind, you can get the data to support that case. True scientific analysis does not have any preconceived ideas ahead and let the data derive the result, the problem is that when you see a published analysis you do not know if the author had wanted the outcome to be a certain way or if it was unbiased. Climate change is one of those areas where there is so much info and analysis both ways that it is hard to determine what is the truth.

My take from my own observations is the weather now is warmer now that it was 50+ years ago. What the cause is I cannot say but I have to believe that humans had some effect on it.