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Military used for civilian law enforcement is a better look in some African shit hole than here in America. | |||
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At least there is law and order which is more than can be said about some other civilized countries. Never heard of school, church or shopping maul shootings or cops being shot when pulled over anywhere on the Dark Continent which should tell you something: respect for the law enforcer, which in America in particular, has literally gone down the shithole. However, if your current criminal trend is what rocks your boat, enjoy.  | |||
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I am enjoying, not living in a police state, despite Trump's best efforts. Yeah, Africa appears to be the place to go if you want low crime and safety. Readily apparent for anyone who spends even a night in Joberg.  | |||
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Joberg is the tip accounting for 0.1% of the rest of the continent. You remind me of that plodding blinkered horse that doesn't see anything beyond its muzzle. Very sad really, not so much for you but for the Americans who are fed up with the shit going on around them (and don't quote Trump as your favorite scapegoat). | |||
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I follow a YouTube channel where a Dutch woman motorcycles around various parts of the world, I’d guess she is in her 30’s and does so alone. She’s ridden down the west coast of Africa, didn’t go as Congo but visited lots of other countries, recently gone through Turkey, Saudi, parts of Yemen and Iraq, briefly Iran, currently in Pakistan. She has suffered two attempted thefts of her bike, one of which whilst in the UK. No physical intimidation at all, no other thefts. In many places she’s been in particular in the Middle East, Iran, Iraq restaurants/ mechanics/ guest houses won’t let her pay, numerous times she’s been in difficult situations and locals fall over themselves to help her out. There are good people everywhere. | |||
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And you are clueless about what life in America is really like. I'm in my mid-50's, have lived in NYC, and Tampa, worked in Denver for years as well and have yet to experience this terrible "shit going on around me". Crime happens in a country of 330 million people. I will take our civil liberties every single time over an authoritarian leader. Our crime rates peake long ago, under Saint Reagan, but don't let facts interfere with your political ideology.  | |||
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Crime is endemic in every country regardless of its population though in proportionate numbers but if left unattended will fester like the pox. Unfortunately America is full of criminals though not necessarily Americans because that would be applying a very broad brush. Everyone is entitled to the enjoyment of their civil liberties but how far are you going allow them to be denied or encroached upon by undesirables, be they whoever they are and what other measures would you accept if the customary law enforcers have failed or unable to contain the problem? | |||
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You would need an actual problem instead of a manufactured problem to find the answer. We do not have an "emergency" of crime like our administration is telling us, in actuality America is quite safe and violent crime has been decreasing for decades, but that does not fit the narrative of our POTUS who greatly admires authoritarian leaders and dictators. A large portion of the criminals in America are currently employed by the Trump administration, felons helping felons is the motto  | |||
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Lots of parts to this topic. That murder is down from last year is good. The other crimes show an estimate, of 3-5% down. Within the margin of error. Do we know what a direct matchup would be? There have been changes in criteria of what constitutes what for a crime compared to even a few years ago. I would guess Steve, when you were in NYC and Tampa, there were "hoods" you avoided after dark? It makes a difference where you live and go in cities, it is not the same city wide. The NG's are armed with radio's. They are to make a presence and communicate with LEO's. If you are afraid of a uniform only, better stay away from catholic schools. They have scary uniforms too. Any city near a military base has more men and women in BDU's walking around in it than DC has at one time. Are they scary also? | |||
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Oh do I have a story about bad hoods in the Bronx, a broken down car and one very scared big burly biker. To answer your question, yes, I'm smart enough to avoid certain places after dark. Catholic schools? Damn right, I avoided that like the plague, much to my Mother's dismay. No, BDU's don't scare me. Militarizing domestic law enforcement does, as do authoritarian leaders. YMMV. | |||
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That is exactly it Fulvio. It has gotten to the point in these Blue cities due to; no cash bail, leftist DA's, loose to no policing. The peaceful residents of these places deserve to live in peace and relative safety. They are not getting that. Both the Chicago Mayor and the Illinois Governor are picking crime and disorder over the assistance of the NG. I bet the residents are up in arms over their playing politics with their lives. Here's whats going to happen, some mother will lose a child due to a gang related shooting. She will get on TV and blame Mayor Johnson and Governor JD. They will both lose their next elections and a far more conservative Democrat or a Republican will win. Formerly "Nganga" | |||
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Funny thing is Steve, the statistics just don't back up your view that there is a crime "Emergency" and we need the military to restore order. Cities vote Blue....more crime happens in cities than in rural areas. This is not a revelation, nor is it new. Chicago has been a mess for my whole lifetime, why didn't Reagan roll out the NG for the crack wars? I'm thinking that his reasons were based on the Constitution and past precedent, not that the current SCOTUS values precedent in the least. Things were different in the 80's, for all his flaws, Reagan at least understood that dictators have no place in America and executive power has limits. I'm sure you "conservatives" will remember that as soon as we have a Democratic POTUS. | |||
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Talk about hypocrisy. When it comes to issues like abortion, the MAGAts argue that issues such as that are best addressed at the local level. When it comes to crime, the MAGAts argue that allowing the President to federalize local law enforcement is just fine. They seem to imply that local citizens have no way to express their views regarding local approaches to crime. Of course, that is why there are local elections. Houston had a very liberal mayor, we also have an elected judiciary which had become quite liberal. In the last election, a much more conservative mayor was elected and there was substantial opposition to the liberal judges. The citizens spoke their mind at the ballot box . . . as it should be done. Mike | |||
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No complaints then if you got landed with Trump.  | |||
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. . . the same dynamic of vocal dissent that resulted in the mayor and many judges being thrown out, is the same dynamic that allows for the criticism of the current administration. That's the way it works here . . . at least for the time being. Mike | |||
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A burly biker, saying, " hey boy. Looking mighty fine in those tight fitting jeans" Would scare most people Steve!! A dear older friend, had an apartment in south boston in the late 50's, going to college. He said often doors would get kicked in and folks robbed. Geoff was in a wheelchair. He had a 1917 S&W with the front sight moved back 2" from the muzzle. I saw it one time visiting and asked why. It was to stick through a hole he had drilled in the door, and shoot whoever was trying to kick his door down in the leg. So why the front sight moved? Because he and his roommate still wanted to take it out shooting! | |||
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Crime has been an issue in big cities since I was a pup… yet they continue to elect more democrats and nothing happens. The one exception was NYC, and surprisingly Guiliani cleaned the city up… but the democrats complained about the tactics, and won election and it’s become a sewer again. Note that the elites very rarely have to deal with crime. They have their enclaves with private security and the LE response in those tends to be more “republican” than the rest of the area. See Martha’s Vineyard as an example. I can’t wrap my head around why crime and criminal Justice is such a partisan issue. To me the single mom in the hood deserves every bit as much protection as the wife of the president. | |||
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 The crime on the streets and in society is one thing. The real crimes in plain sight are from the WH and his regime. The disturbing thing is that many approve and many just don't see it happening. Of course I use the word crimes loosely re Trump since SCOTUS just keeps on giving. But the point first missing is that this plot and claim by Trump to clean up Blue or sanctuary cities isn't about crime. It's about power and part of a bigger plan. It is a distraction and a test. It's authoritarian playbook. I know - I know, this article is from Mother Jones, but it is the best and most on-point I found on short notice: https://www.motherjones.com/po...ering-certification/ Project 2026: Trump’s Plan to Rig the Next Election From nationalizing voter suppression to flooding the streets with federal agents, the president and his allies are using all the tricks in the authoritarian playbook to tilt the midterms in their favor. Ari Berman 3 hours ago ************* “Those who control the present, control the past and those who control the past control the future.” George Orwell, 1984 https://www.google.com/search?...sclient=gws-wiz-serp Degenerate 1:1 1 Then Trump said, "Let Us re-make a Nation in MY Image, after My likeness, to rule over everything in the Nation, and over all the earth itself and every creature that crawls upon it". Degenerate 1:2 2 Then Trump said, "Vengeance is mine, I will repay on your behalf." Degenerate 1:3 3 "My Kingdom come, My will be done." "When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross." - Sinclair Lewis O.J. Trump aka Trumpism's Founding Farter, aka Farter Martyr. "Be careful. When a democracy is sick, fascism comes to its bedside, but it is not to inquire about its health." - Albert Camus | |||
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Makes one wonder for sure.  ~Ann  | |||
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 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ J. Lane Easter, DVM A born Texan has instilled in his system a mind-set of no retreat or no surrender. I wish everyone the world over had the dominating spirit that motivates Texans.– Billy Clayton, Speaker of the Texas House No state commands such fierce pride and loyalty. Lesser mortals are pitied for their misfortune in not being born in Texas.— Queen Elizabeth II on her visit to Texas in May, 1991. | |||
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Interesting. IMO, this is an example of the breakdown or divergent opinion on what the social contract is. Obviously the non-compliant and indignant fuck you bunch are Rightists. So, where is the subjective line in just being a good citizen vs calling impositions for the benefit of others a police state? https://www.google.com/search?...gHMQ&sclient=gws-wiz Question: Did people call police when others didn't wear a mask during covid? Answer: AI Overview Yes, during the COVID-19 pandemic, people did call the police on others for not wearing masks, although enforcement and responses varied by jurisdiction. The issue was a source of public tension and debate, with police responding differently depending on local policies and circumstances. Key factors regarding mask enforcement during COVID-19: Variable enforcement: Police responses depended heavily on the local and state laws governing mask mandates. Some jurisdictions had enforceable statutes or executive orders, while in others, masking was only a recommendation. For example, in June 2020, a California police chief stated that his department would not issue citations for not wearing a mask, but they would respond to a business if a non-compliant person was asked to leave and refused. Trespassing vs. public health: Many calls to police did not involve a public health order directly. Instead, they were treated as trespassing complaints from business owners after a customer refused to wear a mask and also refused to leave the store. This type of interaction was often what led to police involvement. Policy limitations: While governors and public health officials issued orders or recommendations, they did not always carry the same legal weight as a state law. Some police departments stated that they would not enforce store-specific mask rules, leaving enforcement to the business itself. Widespread conflicts: Confrontations over masks were a common occurrence throughout the pandemic, occasionally escalating into violence. These incidents occurred in various public places, including retail stores. Internal police enforcement issues: Law enforcement agencies themselves also dealt with public and internal complaints regarding officers not wearing masks. In Los Angeles, for example, many public complaints were filed against officers, but few resulted in formal punishment. ************* “Those who control the present, control the past and those who control the past control the future.” George Orwell, 1984 https://www.google.com/search?...sclient=gws-wiz-serp Degenerate 1:1 1 Then Trump said, "Let Us re-make a Nation in MY Image, after My likeness, to rule over everything in the Nation, and over all the earth itself and every creature that crawls upon it". Degenerate 1:2 2 Then Trump said, "Vengeance is mine, I will repay on your behalf." Degenerate 1:3 3 "My Kingdom come, My will be done." "When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross." - Sinclair Lewis O.J. Trump aka Trumpism's Founding Farter, aka Farter Martyr. "Be careful. When a democracy is sick, fascism comes to its bedside, but it is not to inquire about its health." - Albert Camus | |||
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Steve - I won't discuss it because there isn't any point in it at all. Yo guys just start with "J6...Trump is a rapist...He cheated on his wife, National Guard,military on the streets," etc. Getting to the heart of the safety in American cities, subject is obfuscated into other stuff. America is broken and headed for internal conflict. I think you're nuts, you think I'm nuts, and no middle ground can ever be agreed to or even discussed. The absolute hate shown in here is rather disappointing. It makes me wonder where we all went wrong. Americans should be able to sit and discuss this stuff without the hate. I don't hate anyone, in here or anywhere else. I've never called anyone a name. (except calling Naki a liar, which he is) I've learned both humility in winning and grace in losing. Formerly "Nganga" | |||
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You said that in so many words long ago. What are you about? Affirmation? Have you found it yet herein? Get a clue. ************* “Those who control the present, control the past and those who control the past control the future.” George Orwell, 1984 https://www.google.com/search?...sclient=gws-wiz-serp Degenerate 1:1 1 Then Trump said, "Let Us re-make a Nation in MY Image, after My likeness, to rule over everything in the Nation, and over all the earth itself and every creature that crawls upon it". Degenerate 1:2 2 Then Trump said, "Vengeance is mine, I will repay on your behalf." Degenerate 1:3 3 "My Kingdom come, My will be done." "When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross." - Sinclair Lewis O.J. Trump aka Trumpism's Founding Farter, aka Farter Martyr. "Be careful. When a democracy is sick, fascism comes to its bedside, but it is not to inquire about its health." - Albert Camus | |||
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Has Trump helped or exacerbated? Do you still believe he alone can fix it (American Carnage)? ************* “Those who control the present, control the past and those who control the past control the future.” George Orwell, 1984 https://www.google.com/search?...sclient=gws-wiz-serp Degenerate 1:1 1 Then Trump said, "Let Us re-make a Nation in MY Image, after My likeness, to rule over everything in the Nation, and over all the earth itself and every creature that crawls upon it". Degenerate 1:2 2 Then Trump said, "Vengeance is mine, I will repay on your behalf." Degenerate 1:3 3 "My Kingdom come, My will be done." "When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross." - Sinclair Lewis O.J. Trump aka Trumpism's Founding Farter, aka Farter Martyr. "Be careful. When a democracy is sick, fascism comes to its bedside, but it is not to inquire about its health." - Albert Camus | |||
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If that was what it's (Trump's plan) really about, the safety in American cities through the rule of law, etc., there would be no obfuscation. The obfuscation boils down to the fact that Trump can't be trusted, nor can his sickophants. ************* “Those who control the present, control the past and those who control the past control the future.” George Orwell, 1984 https://www.google.com/search?...sclient=gws-wiz-serp Degenerate 1:1 1 Then Trump said, "Let Us re-make a Nation in MY Image, after My likeness, to rule over everything in the Nation, and over all the earth itself and every creature that crawls upon it". Degenerate 1:2 2 Then Trump said, "Vengeance is mine, I will repay on your behalf." Degenerate 1:3 3 "My Kingdom come, My will be done." "When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross." - Sinclair Lewis O.J. Trump aka Trumpism's Founding Farter, aka Farter Martyr. "Be careful. When a democracy is sick, fascism comes to its bedside, but it is not to inquire about its health." - Albert Camus | |||
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My point, I don't need to come out on top of every discussion/argument. I'm not too old to learn or admit when I'm wrong. But when the discussion never gets to a point of two sides making cogent points what IS the point? It seems the point in here is simply to collect scalps, period. I have no interest in that. I don't learn from that. I have written quite a few articles for African Hunting magazines. Cal Pappas (God rest a kind man's soul)helped me with editing, a lot. He made a statement that I have never forgotten. "When I read, I wish to learn, and when I write I wish to teach." Now I 'm not suggesting that I teach in here with my prose, but I do wish to learn. Just like your curt, condescending quip "Get a clue." Nothing gained the than needing to add an parting shot. This place is exactly like this... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R9ECPZbFGUY Formerly "Nganga" | |||
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I don't recall you ever admitting you were wrong, but I can think of a lot of times you abandoned the discussion after your arguments were refuted. | |||
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Care to point out where I called for jailing anyone over not where a mask Lane? You are full of shit, as usual. | |||
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Facts are hard Steve....I can see why you avoid the conversation, especially when you support policy that is not backed up by facts but rather right wing propaganda. Yeah, I think those of you advocating for militarization of local law enforcement are completely nuts  | |||
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While I don’t remember you being a mask nazi…”you are known by the company you keep.” Your chosen ilk on the “police state” thingy did. And while violent crime may be trending downward nationally, the US still ranks high globally. Further, there are pockets where murder is increasing.
Throw in Memphis, Chicago, LA, Charlotte and a few others that have increased or at least not fit with the national decreasing trend. Now, compare my list of cities with those of which Trump speaks. Like Scott, I would love to share the commuter train with some NG. I bet Iryna Zarutska would have loved it as well. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ J. Lane Easter, DVM A born Texan has instilled in his system a mind-set of no retreat or no surrender. I wish everyone the world over had the dominating spirit that motivates Texans.– Billy Clayton, Speaker of the Texas House No state commands such fierce pride and loyalty. Lesser mortals are pitied for their misfortune in not being born in Texas.— Queen Elizabeth II on her visit to Texas in May, 1991. | |||
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I don't support authoritarian leaders, using the military for local law enforcement or believe that we have a crime emergency. The statistics support my view. You are correct, I was never a mask nazi and your meme was  Typical from you. I feel safe in America, I don't carry, never have and don't worry either. Carry on with your hand wringing. | |||
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Are you that narcissistic that you thought I was talking about you Steve with the meme? Go back and look at the post with the meme. I specifically did not put your name in there. It was supposed to be funny and truthful over a generality…not aimed at you specifically. I noticed you didn’t argue over the stats in Trumps target cities. I don’t carry the majority of the time either. I do for targeted situations. I have twice gotten close to using my pistol…once in San Antonio when leaving the River Walk late one night with my wife walking back to the Emily Morgan Hotel. Secondly, leaving the DSC convention center late one night after setting up a booth the night before opening in that tunnel going back to vendor parking. Both times finger on trigger talking, deescalating, and easing away from a potentially violent situation where I had loved ones with me. Shouldn’t ever have to be in that kind of situation in America. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ J. Lane Easter, DVM A born Texan has instilled in his system a mind-set of no retreat or no surrender. I wish everyone the world over had the dominating spirit that motivates Texans.– Billy Clayton, Speaker of the Texas House No state commands such fierce pride and loyalty. Lesser mortals are pitied for their misfortune in not being born in Texas.— Queen Elizabeth II on her visit to Texas in May, 1991. | |||
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Always been that way Lane, crime is dropping and has been for decades. It peaked under Reagan. Zero need for the NG to "restore order", intimidating the voters though? Maybe...... This is nothing more than Trump flexing his power. We have no emergency.... | |||
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Not in the cities I listed which happen to be the target cities of Trump. Quit using a generality to perpetrate a lie Steve…it’s a bad look. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ J. Lane Easter, DVM A born Texan has instilled in his system a mind-set of no retreat or no surrender. I wish everyone the world over had the dominating spirit that motivates Texans.– Billy Clayton, Speaker of the Texas House No state commands such fierce pride and loyalty. Lesser mortals are pitied for their misfortune in not being born in Texas.— Queen Elizabeth II on her visit to Texas in May, 1991. | |||
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What looks bad is your admiration for authoritarian leaders. Sad....to say the least. Interesting that two Red State cities lead the list, yet no talk of the NG going to Lexington KY or Indianapolis IN. All a bunch of Red meat for the base. You are wrong about crime in the cities listed, look it up, crime has dropped in those cities too since it peaked during the Reagan years. https://www.pewresearch.org/sh...including%20recently. | |||
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The list of bad areas is long. Gotta start somewhere. If he gets NOLA and Chicago cleaned up…he will move on. When he gets to Lexington…we can listen to the “Little Lord Lexington begin to whine. Hope it happens.I like our NG. Hope I get to visit with some when I am back in DC. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ J. Lane Easter, DVM A born Texan has instilled in his system a mind-set of no retreat or no surrender. I wish everyone the world over had the dominating spirit that motivates Texans.– Billy Clayton, Speaker of the Texas House No state commands such fierce pride and loyalty. Lesser mortals are pitied for their misfortune in not being born in Texas.— Queen Elizabeth II on her visit to Texas in May, 1991. | |||
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The point is, crime has been dropping for decades, this is just another example of Trump's lies and your blind support for them. Sheep are more independent thinkers than you are Lane  | |||
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. . . maybe one day soon you will be able to visit with them much closer to home. Mike | |||
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Your writings for African Hunting is commendable. And that's a good quote. I learn a lot by participating herein, mostly about the alt-reality. Then I learn a lot confirming that it is or isn't alt-reality through research and determining merits. So the learning is often, if not mostly, indirect. Generally my posts are meant to be informative and I show my source of info and often post excerpts. Sometimes I post the whole AI answer to a question. That's not really an effort to teach as it is to just provide the info for consideration. You and others do with it what you wish. For example: You deciphered "Get a clue" as condescending. It could be viewed as an invitation, with the right attitude. You say you wish to learn. Well, prove it. Get a clue. So, after all the discussion, scalp harvesting, POV expressions, etc., what have you learned aside from being put upon, which is basically whiny affirmation feedback? Have you even considered that what Trump is doing isn't about American Carnage (mostly Leftist crime), but about authoritarianism? ************* “Those who control the present, control the past and those who control the past control the future.” George Orwell, 1984 https://www.google.com/search?...sclient=gws-wiz-serp Degenerate 1:1 1 Then Trump said, "Let Us re-make a Nation in MY Image, after My likeness, to rule over everything in the Nation, and over all the earth itself and every creature that crawls upon it". Degenerate 1:2 2 Then Trump said, "Vengeance is mine, I will repay on your behalf." Degenerate 1:3 3 "My Kingdom come, My will be done." "When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross." - Sinclair Lewis O.J. Trump aka Trumpism's Founding Farter, aka Farter Martyr. "Be careful. When a democracy is sick, fascism comes to its bedside, but it is not to inquire about its health." - Albert Camus | |||
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