I suspect there will be a lot of bad news to come. Some recent articles:

Calls for an Immediate Global Moratorium on COVID-19 mRNA Injections Intensify

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Persistence of spike protein at the skull-meninges-brain axis may contribute to the neurological sequelae of COVID-19

Cranks, nuts, conspiracy theorists and cranky, nutty conspiracy theorists, listening to people like this explains why you shovel so much bullshit.

“To: All heads of state”

I asked my doctor about needing a covid shot at my yearly check up. He told me not to bother unless I wanted to.

Yeah we hear nothing about needing the shot now either. I still haven't had Covid. Or if I did it was so mild I never noticed.

Just saw my doc, and he supports getting the shot. I had a case of Covid last year; it was mild, and I credit the shots.

My guess is, if you are older or health impaired, they would still recommend it.

had nasty Covid, had shots because of international travels so never again
Had Enough issues from them shots to be super cautious

We all know it now.

We should put 100% tax on everything made in China for at least 10 years.

Put every company that produced the so called vaccine in jail for at least 10 years.

And let them share the cells with the politicians who brought on the lockdown!

Oh, and Fauci should be tied in a tree above the Zambezi River with a fraying rope above 100 hungry crocodiles!

Saeed,

That might be a bit extreme, but I like the sentiment.

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Originally posted by theback40:
My guess is, if you are older or health impaired, they would still recommend it.

If the vaccine was ineffective or harmful, why would they recommend it to the old and infirm, of all people? None of the five Covid shots I received caused me any ill effects, btw.

Millions of people worldwide died of Covid. I'm not going to criticize health officials for being perhaps overly cautious. When the disease first hit the US, it looked terrible.

The vaccine useless.

That is why they recommended a booster, then another booster, every few months.

Because they paid the stupid politicians to lock us up!

As far as I am concerned, I would the bloody lot to a pack of hungry hyenas!

I caught Covid last year, and had very mild symptoms. You won't convince me the vaccine is useless.

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Originally posted by RolandtheHeadless:
I caught Covid last year, and had very mild symptoms. You won't convince me the vaccine is useless.

You should continue with the shots if you believe in them. Not everyone who gets covid has severe illness. By far.

There is lots of research coming out now as to the problems these things have caused to others. You can choose to ignore it as well to. It's a free country, or used to be. While you were free to make a choice to vaxx many were told they would lose their jobs or couldn't go to school if they did not take them. Many here on this forum took the shots so they could vacation overseas to hunt, etc. Since it is clear many are indeed suffering from vaxx injury in one form or another I see plenty of problems to come in the near future.

I've posted articles with competent research. There is so much out there now to ignore them is again, your choice but maybe you should start reading? I assume you are an old man so a medical issue arising from rona shots may not be an issue for you, however, maybe you have grandchildren who may be injured from these things?

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Originally posted by RolandtheHeadless:
I caught Covid last year, and had very mild symptoms. You won't convince me the vaccine is useless.

Our first time was December 2019, and it was rough.
Second time was after vaccine and was less bother than the side effects from the vaccine.
I'll pass on more vaccines, for now...

Another really good article.

Widespread DNA Contamination and Excess Deaths Expected to Trigger Global Withdrawal of COVID-19 mRNA Injection

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Originally posted by Aspen Hill Adventures:
Another really good article.

Widespread DNA Contamination and Excess Deaths Expected to Trigger Global Withdrawal of COVID-19 mRNA Injection

No, that’s another stupid article. Is it addressed to all earthlings? All the cool kids? Does it say poopyheads can stop reading here?

I wouldn’t call that website a source of good scientific information.

My biggest concern with the Covid vaccine is that they are not giving out the data. The information about adverse effects is lacking.

Without that you can’t make good informed decisions about risk/benefit.

My opinion is that the vaccine offers some protective benefits; they would not make up wholesale lies that will eventually come out.

What the question is becomes how much, and what risk/benefit is there. That I could see being dodgy because it’s a judgement call as to what is acceptable. It was also a political decision so the benefits may well have been more nonmedical than something we can put a number on to prove benefit.

Going by what my doc told me.. only.
If you are elderly or at risk, the gamble is worth while to get the shot appose to risk of side effects that may or may not happen.
He said the reduced potency of the covid strain out there now, would be little hindrance to me and would give me more resistance long term.
I went with his advice.

here's the VAERS database -
https://wonder.cdc.gov/control...170A671151B330AF7930

i had covid twice, first time in feb of '20, it was a terrible flu-like symptoms, lasted over 10 days - no side effects after, but took awhile for my lungs to dry out"

had it again december 2 years ago - felt like a cold, but entirely lost my sense of taste and email for about 6 weeks, lasted nearly 10 weeks till it returned, and it's not the same as it was-

wife has had it at least 3 times, all three after vax and booster - bad sick once, mild cold twice

it's NOT a vaccine, it's a therapeutic with a short short short effective duration ....

every hear of someone needing a polio or chickenpox booster? yeah, no one has.

headless spouting off about medicine, science, and (while not in this thread) math is amusing/appalling -

Disagree with you as to whether it’s a vaccine or not.

It’s a vaccine. It causes you to produce antibodies which utilize your own immune system to protect you.

Whether it’s effective or not is a different question.

Coronaviruses are notorious shifters. They evolved by changing their antigenetic profile to continue to spread.

The biggest issue with the Covid vaccine is like the flu vaccine the target virus is constantly changing and thus the vaccine is less effective against newer versions of the virus.

The VARES system (we have to input data in to it) is not a source of raw data to the public. The CDC releases data after they check it. It’s also pretty variable how well providers enter data in to it.

Polio boosters? Yep. If you are going to an endemic area they recommend it.

Chicken pox? What do you think the shingles vaccine is?

Doc, we can disagree - by that loose definition, dirt, pollen, bee stings, and in some people, penicillin could be clumped as "vaccines", when all are therapudics (well, except for the penicillin allergic response) - at the moment, on shingles, i should have gotten that particular shot last year, when my wife had a flare up - i am unaware that if one was vaxed from chicken pox (i wasn't, as i grew up in the days of chicken pox parties), and therefore didn't get it, that they could have a reinfection

polio -- yes, i guess there's a possibility if one was inoculated with OPV that it was less effective and/or actually gave you polio - i've been to some pretty dang dodgy places, and was never even offered .. so, i took a second to inform myself, of the 26 countries with ANY known cases, i have only been to 2 of them
https://gis.ecdc.europa.eu/por...40808935600db9a96057

So, let's recast to small pox -

the flu shot COULD be more effective - well, learned something new today too, that since 2018 the us flu shot is quadrivalent - i had stopped taking the flu shot prior to 2012 as the shot was, at bet, 50% effective and i had always had a reaction prior

VAERS DB, like all DB, is only as good as the data put into it -- but let's not pretend that the CDC won't bend the data for a "good story" as their covid death stats comingled died WITH covid (including a notorious motorcycle death) and died FROM covid -

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Originally posted by crbutler:
Disagree with you as to whether it’s a vaccine or not.

It’s a vaccine. It causes you to produce antibodies which utilize your own immune system to protect you.

Whether it’s effective or not is a different question.

Coronaviruses are notorious shifters. They evolved by changing their antigenetic profile to continue to spread.

The biggest issue with the Covid vaccine is like the flu vaccine the target virus is constantly changing and thus the vaccine is less effective against newer versions of the virus.

The VARES system (we have to input data in to it) is not a source of raw data to the public. The CDC releases data after they check it. It’s also pretty variable how well providers enter data in to it.

Polio boosters? Yep. If you are going to an endemic area they recommend it.

Chicken pox? What do you think the shingles vaccine is?

Smallpox they recommend booster doses if you are exposed to it- lab workers, etc.

It’s the same vaccine for monkeypox and prior vaccination for smallpox does not exempt you from getting the vaccine for mpox.

The studies are out there that immunity wanes over time.

You get a tetanus booster every 10 years (or less if you have a dirty wound).

All vaccines have a finite duration of protection. Why don’t we redo smallpox? Because the disease is eradicated.

Why is polio so low? Because the vulnerable population is mostly immunized.

There are good and cogent arguments about why one should avoid the Covid vaccine, but claiming it’s not a vaccine isn’t one of them.

VARES gets edited was my point. We need to see the raw data regarding mRNA vaccination (it should be in the public domain) in order to make reliable and, more significantly, believed statements about risks and benefits.

I agree that the data during the COVID crisis is garbage. They put both a political and a financial incentive to call everything Covid.

Death certificates said things like trauma with a “contributing factor” of Covid exposure and it got listed as a Covid death. No one got influenza, it was all Covid like illness.

Covid was deadly and killed a lot of people, don’t discount that, but our response to Covid is still killing people (mainly by they didn’t get timely preventative care and the ongoing distrust generated by the pandemic response).

I have said I don’t find Fauci criminally responsible… but the government collectively is responsible for a lot of overreaches that happened.

As usual, we largely agree.

As the vax is a very short term therapeutic, measured in days, i, and quite a few others, see it as a therapeutic vs a vaccine. With humor, there was noncow involved in it

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Originally posted by theback40:
Going by what my doc told me.. only.
If you are elderly or at risk, the gamble is worth while to get the shot appose to risk of side effects that may or may not happen.
He said the reduced potency of the covid strain out there now, would be little hindrance to me and would give me more resistance long term.
I went with his advice.

Yes, I agree. My elderly father had to have a pacemaker installed shortly after vaxxing. He still takes all the boosters as he believes in them. He's afraid of dying from covid but apparently not from a sudden cardiac issue. Whatever! His wife nearly died from covid after having three shots anyway.

I have another friend who takes each and every version and reports an "ass kicking" after taking each shot.

Several other close friends who have multiple vaxxed have had covid 5 or more times. Sometimes they are very sick. One has had it so many times she no longer has any vacation or sick time from her job and has to take unpaid leave.

Yeah, your mileage will vary but it is clear to me after several years now the vaxx isn't nearly what it was touted to be.

Hmmmmm....neither me or my wife have had it yet.....I feel left out!!!

We did get the stupid ass vaccine so we could travel...in hindsight I wish I had waited it out...

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Originally posted by JTEX:
Hmmmmm....neither me or my wife have had it yet.....I feel left out!!!

We did get the stupid ass vaccine so we could travel...in hindsight I wish I had waited it out...

i had to forgo a couple business "optional" trips, as i refused to give my status on the vax - When pressed, I offered that we could enter into binding arbitration for my huge severance package over their BLATANT HIPAA violation on "optional" trips - as part of the reason I was hired was due to HCISPP certification.

and suddenly, all questions of Vax status disappeared from the company ...

weird, it was only a 5 minute conversation with the GC, and it all went away...
strange

and yeah, I still work there