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https://apple.news/AUxkAMwHGQAm3pa4agm7ntA Looks like North Korea trying to put up a rocket. The difference is Russia at one point to at least could get to space and back. | ||
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Now even the moon hates russia and try to join NATO. | |||
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After what Russia has accomplished in Ukraine, no surprise here. Maybe they should hire Wagner to give it a try….  Vote Trump- Putin’s best friend… To quote a former AND CURRENT Trumpiteer - DUMP TRUMP | |||
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Every country that explores space had crashes and failures including us Besides who cares about Russia or Ukraine? I sure don’t give a two shits about some conflicts that’s been flaring up just about everywhere every year Nothing like standing over your own kill | |||
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A Ukrainian drone shot it down.  Grizz When the horse has been eliminated, human life may be extended an average of five or more years. James R. Doolitle I think they've been misunderstood. Timothy Tredwell | |||
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I am not proRussia by any means. But isn’t it funny that we relied upon them to get us back and forth from the international space station from the end of the shuttle era forward for quite a while. They never failed to get the job done. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ J. Lane Easter, DVM A born Texan has instilled in his system a mind-set of no retreat or no surrender. I wish everyone the world over had the dominating spirit that motivates Texans.– Billy Clayton, Speaker of the Texas House No state commands such fierce pride and loyalty. Lesser mortals are pitied for their misfortune in not being born in Texas.— Queen Elizabeth II on her visit to Texas in May, 1991. | |||
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Possibly an era of more competence and less corruption in their govt? | |||
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Well at least a good portion of that time was under Putin. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ J. Lane Easter, DVM A born Texan has instilled in his system a mind-set of no retreat or no surrender. I wish everyone the world over had the dominating spirit that motivates Texans.– Billy Clayton, Speaker of the Texas House No state commands such fierce pride and loyalty. Lesser mortals are pitied for their misfortune in not being born in Texas.— Queen Elizabeth II on her visit to Texas in May, 1991. | |||
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How sad. Something is being done to advance science, which will help all humanity. It did not work this time, and we actually have individuals here gloating about it. Tells you something about them.  | |||
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absolutely. But Putin has evolved and the country bearing shave changed over that time. When where their rockets developed and what has changed in that time? Im not disagreeing with you Im just saying thier might well be a reason. | |||
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I dont know, I cheered when they rolled out their new robot. https://www.theguardian.com/wo...be-man-in-robot-suit | |||
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Did you gloat when Apollo 13 blew up? I remember it very well. It was one of the saddest things to witness! | |||
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I wasn't born then, so no. Ill give you an honest no joke answer Saeed. I would not have gloated if I was around when that happened. Men lost their lives in the name of science and exploration. And for that reason I gloat at the unmanned russian lander crashing. Because the country that controls it is causing massive loss of human life beyond the scale of any scientific gain one remote control lander could ever give us when compared too the potential of all those people. Right now every little thing that adds some doom or misery or feeling of inadequacy to russians might just hasten the end of this war, and so if they feel a little worse about their own abilities, thats a good thing. | |||
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Actually, the last stage of the rocket crashed into the Moon. So at least they hit the target. | |||
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Did you feel, anytime in the past, sorry for the poor sods, civilians, being killed senselessly by America’s invasions? Do you feel sorry for the countless number of people who are still suffering and dying because of Agent Orange? This is just one example. How about the second Iraq war? Removing Saddam and creating ISIS? How about 20 years of non stop bombing of villages, homes and schools? All we kept hearing “ we are sorry. Collateral damage!” | |||
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about some of that yes, and Ive said so before. I have said many times that I didnt agree with the second iraq war or its rational. Again vietnam I might have been 2 when it ended. I probably didnt feel sorry for much back then. But Im a realist and look at history with maybe a little less hatred than you seem too. I recognise the difference between what happened in vietnam and whats happening now in Ukraine, and I recognise that while you are content to blame america, you quite blatantly ignore the role of Russia and China in that conflict. | |||
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I am 73 years old. Heard all sorts of stories about past adventures, including the Sues invasion. America stool on the right side then. Then all the wars in Africa, fought by proxy between the West and communism. Even Cuba had soldiers in Africa. To defeat them, America went down a dark hole, installing puppets to do their bidding. Those puppets turned out to be as ruthless as any of their old ancestors, more so now. Then came the Vietnam war, after they murdered Kennedy because he objected to it. After that it has been one aggression or another by America. No one sanctioned American companies or individuals. Russia invaded the Ukraine. I don’t agree with it for one minute. And I do hope they lose. But the West’s reaction has be all out of proportion. I hope America, and it’s companies and citizens, get the same treatment next time America starts another war. | |||
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Those poor, poor Iraqis. Can you even believe that there would be repercussions for trying to assassinate the POTUS? Shocking isn't it? I be bet the second Iraq war would not have taken place had Saddam not tried to knockoff Bush sr. You conveniently leave that part of the story out Saeed. The whole story paints a slightly different picture. Maybe some good will come of it. I have noticed that little shit hole countries in the ME seemed to be less likely to want to cause problems here in the West. A few more invasions and the terrorists might get the message. | |||
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Almost same age as I. I idly wonder if we ever crossed paths in the old days. In 1967 I was starting two paths, a peach orchard in summer and college in winter. The next year, the cannery for summertime and "vacations". That pattern persisted for a few years thereafter. Cuba had soldiers in Oaxaca to guard the marijuana grows at one point, not sure exactly why unless they were getting paid for it. Most of the military adventures had energy underpinnings. Warfare costs money, lots of it. There has to be a return on the investment. At some point I read that eastern Ukraine has the second-largest reserves of natural gas in Europe. No mention of that lately. And I idly wonder how many Ukrainians owe how much to Delaware banks (and what other banks are involved). TomP Our country, right or wrong. When right, to be kept right, when wrong to be put right. Carl Schurz (1829 - 1906) | |||
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Saeed, most of the African US adventurism occurred after Vietnam. Secondly, you seem to pick and choose conspiracies. That JFK was killed over Vietnam is absolutely unproven. It’s a classic conspiracy theory that is all based on worldview. Is it conceivable? I guess… but it’s not factual. I’m not sure that we have been consistently an aggressor. Rather we have consistently been playing reactive roles. All of our military actions have essentially been in reaction to things we have expressed ourselves inadequately or got pushed in to. As to your wish about the US getting treated like Russia is now… we would be, if we did that. If we invaded Mexico to annex it, I’m sure we would have issues with the majority of the worlds nations over that. Can you name a war since 1900 that the US waged for purposes of territorial expansion? | |||
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Im not sure the wests reaction has been out of proportion. No western nation has put troops into Ukraine, sure they are actively sending weapons, and sanctioning Russia. Overall thought that response is, compared to history, very muted and careful. No segway here, just changing topic slightly, but the question really needs asking that given the role of the UN after ww2 was to prevent wars, isn't it time to wind up that organisation? they have failed at every step and have in no way been a union of nations. Just another format for factions to duke it out. | |||
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Is India also not currently trying to get to the same area of the moon … could the Russians maybe have cut a few corners to try to beat them to it… ? | |||
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The assassination attempt was early 90’s and in response the U.S. fired a load of cruise missiles at Iraq, I think Clinton authorised this. The attempt was in no way given as justification for Gulf War 2 at the time. That was entirely WMD’s and in some of Chimpys comments 911. The US (and the UK) haven’t been at all reluctant in trying to knock off foreign leaders or engineer regime change in the past, that can hardly be a justification for invading the place. It comes over as scratching around in retrospect to justify GW2 as the WMD reason won’t fly. | |||
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I'm fully aware of the stated reason we went to war, those Weapons of Mass Disappearance. My point was that Shrub was in no way going to let somebody get away with trying to take his Daddy out. I never agreed with going into Iraq and I have told Saeed that many times. My own preference would have been to keep the boots off the ground in both Afghanistan and Iraq, instead turning both Saudi Arabia and Afghanistan into parking lots via ballistic missiles. There could be a reason I'm not making those decisions  | |||
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jut checking that we are thinking the same thing, as the Vietnam conflict can be described as 1955-1975 -- I think it may be safer to say that the "adventurism" started after the START of the Vietnam conflict - But things like Honduras, Guatemala, and Nicaragua "interventions" certainly happened before 1955 (and after) - and, of course, the bay of pigs during Vietnam-- opinions vary band of bubbas and STC hunting Club Information on Ammoguide about the416AR, 458AR, 470AR, 500AR What is an AR round? Case Drawings 416-458-470AR and 500AR. 476AR, http://www.weaponsmith.com | |||
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Classically the Vietnam war started after the Gulf of Tonkin resolution and active US combat roles in the war. Prior to that, most of Africa was still colonial possessions and we refused to support colonies of foreign lands.
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Hmm, these aren't African colonies, and were long independent when the US intervened We started intervening in Vietnam right after independence of Vietnam here's a source - not THE source -- in my history courses, it was defined as starting in 55 and ending in 75--- be that as it may, Honduras, Guatemala, and Nicaragua all happened either prior or during, and certainly pre, 64 - Which there has been some words around the distortion of the events in Tonkin https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...tortion_of_the_event opinions vary band of bubbas and STC hunting Club Information on Ammoguide about the416AR, 458AR, 470AR, 500AR What is an AR round? Case Drawings 416-458-470AR and 500AR. 476AR, http://www.weaponsmith.com | |||
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