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Originally posted by LHeym500:

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Originally posted by ledvm:

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Originally posted by Steve Bertram:

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Originally posted by ledvm:
With all the BS we have put with for the last 4 years…I am having a hard time believing we are now worried about the “potential” for bismuth to go up. Boggles the mine.

Oh, the tariffs, if implemented in any way close to the way Trump claims he will apply them, will drive up the cost of far more than bismuth ammunition.

Just remember, inflation due to Trump is good, inflation due to Biden is bad, very, very bad.

Again, I have paid up to $5/gal for diesel. Eating lunch with my wife and boy at a hole-in-the-wall cafe costs $50. I still can’t buy Nosler Partition bullets. Regular target loads of lead cost $10/box. The small town I live in is overrun with foreign illegals living in old broken down motels rented by the government. A simple trip to the grocery store costs $300. My ranch in south Texas was trashed while watched fake stories made up about mounted CBP agents “whipping” illegals. SOB…I could write a book on the shit. And we are sitting here worried about the “potential” for bismuth to go up and the “potential” for tariffs to affect other goods. All the while the man has not implemented anything yet.

Funny, diesel has not cost 5 dollars here for a long time. Premium is 3.50 and was bf the election.

(you had a typo wiping out the last ] in the quote i fixed it for my reply)
diesel was at or over $5 18 months ago - that's not along while, that's THIS administration - though, to give credit where credit is due, biden didn't see NEARLY the horrible fuel prices as obama

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I still can’t buy Nosler Partition bullets.

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Originally posted by LHeym500:

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Originally posted by ledvm:

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Originally posted by Steve Bertram:

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Originally posted by ledvm:
With all the BS we have put with for the last 4 years…I am having a hard time believing we are now worried about the “potential” for bismuth to go up. Boggles the mine.

Oh, the tariffs, if implemented in any way close to the way Trump claims he will apply them, will drive up the cost of far more than bismuth ammunition.

Just remember, inflation due to Trump is good, inflation due to Biden is bad, very, very bad.

Again, I have paid up to $5/gal for diesel. Eating lunch with my wife and boy at a hole-in-the-wall cafe costs $50. I still can’t buy Nosler Partition bullets. Regular target loads of lead cost $10/box. The small town I live in is overrun with foreign illegals living in old broken down motels rented by the government. A simple trip to the grocery store costs $300. My ranch in south Texas was trashed while watched fake stories made up about mounted CBP agents “whipping” illegals. SOB…I could write a book on the shit. And we are sitting here worried about the “potential” for bismuth to go up and the “potential” for tariffs to affect other goods. All the while the man has not implemented anything yet.

Funny, diesel has not cost 5 dollars here for a long time. Premium is 3.50 and was bf the election.

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Originally posted by ANTELOPEDUNDEE:

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Originally posted by ledvm:

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Originally posted by Steve Bertram:

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Originally posted by ledvm:
With all the BS we have put with for the last 4 years…I am having a hard time believing we are now worried about the “potential” for bismuth to go up. Boggles the mine.

Oh, the tariffs, if implemented in any way close to the way Trump claims he will apply them, will drive up the cost of far more than bismuth ammunition.

Just remember, inflation due to Trump is good, inflation due to Biden is bad, very, very bad.

Again, I have paid up to $5/gal for diesel. Eating lunch with my wife and boy at a hole-in-the-wall cafe costs $50. I still can’t buy Nosler Partition bullets. Regular target loads of lead cost $10/box. The small town I live in is overrun with foreign illegals living in old broken down motels rented by the government. A simple trip to the grocery store costs $300. My ranch in south Texas was trashed while watched fake stories made up about mounted CBP agents “whipping” illegals. SOB…I could write a book on the shit. And we are sitting here worried about the “potential” for bismuth to go up and the “potential” for tariffs to affect other goods. All the while the man has not implemented anything yet.

There are Nosler partitions in the stores around here. You want bullets or loaded ammo?

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I still can’t buy Nosler Partition bullets.

What caliber? I am changing over to copper, my Partition Bullets need a new home...

Lead esta prohibide for upland game here too now.
My coffee can of #6 lead shot is stranded capital.

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Sure.....and you can blame the lefty/green yards for the fact that we have to use "non toxic" shot......but you'll never do that....

Moron!

thank you! Just revert to lead and forget the greenies!


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Originally posted by ledvm:

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Originally posted by TomP:

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I still can’t buy Nosler Partition bullets.

What caliber? I am changing over to copper, my Partition Bullets need a new home...

Lead esta prohibide for upland game here too now.
My coffee can of #6 lead shot is stranded capital.

I will buy 30s and 300gr .375s

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I think I have an excess of 180 grain Partitions in .308 caliber.

How much are you paying?

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Originally posted by ledvm:

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I think I have an excess of 180 grain Partitions in .308 caliber.

How much are you paying?

I shoot mostly 165s but if you want to sell them…I will buy them. My Dad always said: “Never price another man’s property.” My litigator friend always says: “He who comes with the first number generally loses.” Thus…tell me what you want for them and if reasonable…I am a buyer.

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Originally posted by LHeym500:
Nosler has 180 grain partitions on sale for 30 bucks right now.

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Originally posted by ANTELOPEDUNDEE:

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Originally posted by ledvm:

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Originally posted by RolandtheHeadless:
I think I have an excess of 180 grain Partitions in .308 caliber.

How much are you paying?

I shoot mostly 165s but if you want to sell them…I will buy them. My Dad always said: “Never price another man’s property.” My litigator friend always says: “He who comes with the first number generally loses.” Thus…tell me what you want for them and if reasonable…I am a buyer.

I may be going to a local store [30 mile drive one way] this week. I will check and see what they have. If you will take them I will grab some. I'd want my cost plus shipping.

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Originally posted by ledvm:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by LHeym500:
Nosler has 180 grain partitions on sale for 30 bucks right now.

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And you are correct t. The problem was either the cheap, bulk made Winchester Special Eds did not get a correct powder charge in that case run, or the cheap shells got moisture to the powder.

Steel shot at 1500 god is not recommended by any CIP ammo producer through fixed choked guns.

I will never shoot it. Do I have modern guns that can? Yes. As long as I can, I will never shoot steel.

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Originally posted by ledvm:

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Originally posted by RolandtheHeadless:
I think I have an excess of 180 grain Partitions in .308 caliber.

How much are you paying?

I shoot mostly 165s but if you want to sell them…I will buy them. My Dad always said: “Never price another man’s property.” My litigator friend always says: “He who comes with the first number generally loses.” Thus…tell me what you want for them and if reasonable…I am a buyer.

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I don't know how great the seconds are but at that price, I brought a bunch.

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And LHeym, thanks for that link. I don't know how great the seconds are but at that price, I brought a bunch.

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And LHeym, thanks for that link. I don't know how great the seconds are but at that price, I brought a bunch.

+1

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Originally posted by LHeym500:
And you are correct t. The problem was either the cheap, bulk made Winchester Special Eds did not get a correct powder charge in that case run, or the cheap shells got moisture to the powder.

Steel shot at 1500 god is not recommended by any CIP ammo producer through fixed choked guns.

I will never shoot it. Do I have modern guns that can? Yes. As long as I can, I will never shoot steel.

Yet you are willing to use hevishot and TSS.

Those are even harder on barrels than steel.

I don't care for steel, but I am also willing to admit it has a place. If I has to give up hunting ducks or shoot steel, I'd be shooting steel.

I was reloading steel for many years. It was part of why I got into using the 12 Ga 3.5" shells. Back when, the only way I could get velocities over 1300 FPS and have what I considered a usable pattern with #1 steel was that or the 10 Ga. The 10 was my dad's gun, and I was using a cheap stevens 12 Ga 3" pump gun (still have it...) and after my comments about the Benelli, my folks gave me a SBE back in 85-86. I still shoot that gun every duck season.

I probably put over 5000 rounds of 3.5" steel loads through that gun, and it still is shooting fine... but I never used anything higher than improved cylinder choke.

My Dad's 10 ga (Ithaca) has a trashed forcing cone, and he had the choke taken out of it. He liked using #3 lead back in the day, but used F steel with it, all factory. The barrel looks pretty rough.

Yes, these steel shells were from the beginning of the use of steel until probably the late 90's when I started loading the bismuth shot.

I still shoot steel when we travel to hunt ducks as you cannot carry enough ammo for the kind of shooting we enjoy on aircraft.

I have to limit my range and usually need to swat at least a quarter the birds on the water. With my bismuth loads, if I shoot a downed duck, it happens maybe 1 out of every 10 birds.

I would not use any tungsten (except for Kent's now defunct tungsten matrix) out of any double or older gun with fixed chokes.

I have (and would continue) to use factory steel in less than modified choked fixed choke guns, but most of those are already damaged (again of what I own) by using them with steel from back in the day. I don't use steel shot in doubles or any heirloom guns I have.

Bismuth and lead I use with no problems. If I could I would hunt ducks with my grandfather's old preferred 1.25 oz #5 CP lead load, but I still can use that load on pheasant when I feel the desire to take a 12 Ga out after roosters. I see why he loved that load. Unfortunately, I think I shot the last box of the old factory stuff up I got from him a year or two ago. I can load something that's about the same, but its not as nostalgic.

And LHeym, thanks for that link. I don't know how great the seconds are but at that price, I brought a bunch.

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I don't know how great the seconds are but at that price, I brought a bunch.

I have bought hundreds of seconds from SPS, and they were all indistinguishable to my eyes from the firsts sold by retailers. I found their weights to be as consistent too. Can't figure out why they're considered seconds.