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It's the reality of that part of the world. They are surrounded by states which would like them gone. That's the purpose of the IDF and it's been doing a very good job for decades. Is it any different to the US/NATO in the Cold War, South Korea today, Taiwan today, India vs China today, India vs Pakistan ... it reality, unless you are suggesting in each conflict zone the stronger side should just exterminate the weaker to give a resolution.... | |||
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~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ J. Lane Easter, DVM A born Texan has instilled in his system a mind-set of no retreat or no surrender. I wish everyone the world over had the dominating spirit that motivates Texans.– Billy Clayton, Speaker of the Texas House No state commands such fierce pride and loyalty. Lesser mortals are pitied for their misfortune in not being born in Texas.— Queen Elizabeth II on her visit to Texas in May, 1991. | |||
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Fixed it for you. "We packed up and left"?!?!?!?!?! How many thousands of US troops did we have in Germany for decades after WW2?!?!?!?!?! I wouldn't think I need to provide a link to all of the West German bases the USA maintained there. And who said anything about revenge? I didn't. This is why the West loses over and over and over. Halfway thru the attack the West twists itself into convoluted knots over the poor misunderstood enemy. | |||
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https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wik...allations_in_Germany Nute, I just looked, apparently I have had as many as 300 military bases in Germany,down to 40 today. I still have 35k troops stationed in Germany and you have 10k troops. Tell me again about how we, "packed up and left" and why Israel would or wouldn't do it differently? | |||
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We have had troops there to prevent Russia coming in and taking over, nothing else. We don't exert any control over the way Germany governs itself, the way germans choose to live their lives, where they go and when so to all intents and purposes we have left them to it. You think Isreal will do the same? Shouldn't be that tough to understand. I guess if you can understand the need for revenge against Hamas you can equally understand my point. Your reaction would be the same as mine were it one of my sons. | |||
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Hundreds of foreign government military bases and tens of thousands of foreign soldiers based in Germany didn't, "exert any control". Ok, I get it now! | |||
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Meanwhile the Repugs in the house won't pass the Israel aid package approved by the senate. Why? Because Trump and Putin want Israel and Ukraine to fail. Trump: "Putin is a Genius" "Hezbollah is very smart"  | |||
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you're still retarded......or maybe just a democrat....really the same thing..... Protect our borders first! Moron. . | |||
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Still sucking putin's dick I see..... Trump: "Putin is a Genius" "Hezbollah is very smart" | |||
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Netanyahu would not be constrained by President Trump and Iran would have gotten a clearer picture of “FAaFO” by now if Trump was POTUS. Israel is fairly cozy with Russia. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ J. Lane Easter, DVM A born Texan has instilled in his system a mind-set of no retreat or no surrender. I wish everyone the world over had the dominating spirit that motivates Texans.– Billy Clayton, Speaker of the Texas House No state commands such fierce pride and loyalty. Lesser mortals are pitied for their misfortune in not being born in Texas.— Queen Elizabeth II on her visit to Texas in May, 1991. | |||
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President Biden has not constrained Israel. President Biden has supported requested military aid to Israel. No we are not going to agree to kill every Gaza male and make this horrible act of violence worse. Your minority who threatens to veto the Speakership killed that aid 2 times. Once at the behest of President Trump not wanting President Biden to sign a major and needed border bill. The second time when aid was decoupled from border because of stupidity. | |||
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In addition to the above I would add that Israel, since the start of this, has not permitted access to Gaza by journalists. The only reporting we get from inside Gaza is by those who already happened to be there at the start, or those work and live there. https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news...fe1844699bff0b&ei=45 | |||
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In today’s world…if I were Netanyahu…I would take the exact same approach. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ J. Lane Easter, DVM A born Texan has instilled in his system a mind-set of no retreat or no surrender. I wish everyone the world over had the dominating spirit that motivates Texans.– Billy Clayton, Speaker of the Texas House No state commands such fierce pride and loyalty. Lesser mortals are pitied for their misfortune in not being born in Texas.— Queen Elizabeth II on her visit to Texas in May, 1991. | |||
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A clean bill of aid to Israel would pass and you know it. Biden has not restrained Israel because in this case Israel will not be restrained. Israel is not hurting for military supplies right now. They will get money to replenish at some point. What Israel needs is a US President with the cojones to stand up and say Hamas must be exterminated like cockroaches. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ J. Lane Easter, DVM A born Texan has instilled in his system a mind-set of no retreat or no surrender. I wish everyone the world over had the dominating spirit that motivates Texans.– Billy Clayton, Speaker of the Texas House No state commands such fierce pride and loyalty. Lesser mortals are pitied for their misfortune in not being born in Texas.— Queen Elizabeth II on her visit to Texas in May, 1991. | |||
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You got a clean bill so the border which we needed. Both bills would have passed, but the Speaker is afraid of the stupid and lier wing of the party. Your wing. You know if the Speaker would have allowed either bill to the floor, either would have passed. We also need the immigration component, but I was proud of the Senate for trying both w and wo. The Senate did its job. | |||
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That’s one way of hiding reality I guess, but it makes all the extremists claims at the various Gaza protests easier to believe with little or no info coming from reliable news sources. | |||
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After a group of people made the conscious decision to burn children alive…why would anyone believe anything they had to say? …or give a rat’s @$$ how they are killed? We should just be happy the world is being ridded of their presence. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ J. Lane Easter, DVM A born Texan has instilled in his system a mind-set of no retreat or no surrender. I wish everyone the world over had the dominating spirit that motivates Texans.– Billy Clayton, Speaker of the Texas House No state commands such fierce pride and loyalty. Lesser mortals are pitied for their misfortune in not being born in Texas.— Queen Elizabeth II on her visit to Texas in May, 1991. | |||
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The 24 hour news and live video reporting certainly doesn't make military actions any easier. Were I in charge of much rather bring in the press after the action to see what I did rather than have them on my hip to see what I'm doing. Seems like there's good reason why Delta Force and Navy Seals don't have embedded reporters. | |||
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Because a lot of people there didn’t make the decision to burn children alive, including the children that are being killed/ buried/ burnt during the current fighting. I don’t care one iota what happens to those who actually planned and undertook what happened in Israel. You may be correct that you can’t trust what is being reported by the local journalists which are there, all the more reason to allow reporters from Reuters / AP in to report on what is actually happening … unless of course you have something to hide… | |||
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~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ J. Lane Easter, DVM A born Texan has instilled in his system a mind-set of no retreat or no surrender. I wish everyone the world over had the dominating spirit that motivates Texans.– Billy Clayton, Speaker of the Texas House No state commands such fierce pride and loyalty. Lesser mortals are pitied for their misfortune in not being born in Texas.— Queen Elizabeth II on her visit to Texas in May, 1991. | |||
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It is because of ME actors that the Cabinet for the PLO resigned in mass. Those partners have the same goal we do being restricting Iran. Dr. Waste’s policy in Gaza would undermine these efforts. Likewise, it cannot be argued w facts that Netanyahu administration used funds to prop up Hamas against the PLO. https://www.timesofisrael.com/...own-up-in-our-faces/ https://www.cnn.com/2023/12/11...king-intl/index.html This cannot be disputed. Nor can it be disputed that former President’s until President Trump did not recognize the West Bank’s continued expansion of settlements as not legitimate. Israel will be less secure if it proceeds in this war in a manner the U.S. and ME partners, acting in their self interest, are forced to walk away from Israel. Israel thought enough of Saudi Arabia recognition to pursue it. You have no evidence civilians in Gaza made an affirmative decision to harm Israel citizens. In fact we know they did not, because all of Gaza did not pour over and occupy. | |||
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~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ J. Lane Easter, DVM A born Texan has instilled in his system a mind-set of no retreat or no surrender. I wish everyone the world over had the dominating spirit that motivates Texans.– Billy Clayton, Speaker of the Texas House No state commands such fierce pride and loyalty. Lesser mortals are pitied for their misfortune in not being born in Texas.— Queen Elizabeth II on her visit to Texas in May, 1991. | |||
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I am 55 years old and I remember well the Iran hostages, the Beirut bombing, the USS Stark, both World Trade center attacks and the entirety of both Gulf Wars. I remember the burning of US flags and President Carter in effigy, "The Surge" , Daniel Pearl and last weeks Taliban execution in front of thousands of spectators of two men who might have been guilty. It blows my mind that Nute or Heym or Jeff show any consideration to the Caliphate. I remember those journalists in that French paper that posted pictures of Mohammed and were knifed to death by islamists. It's Westerners like you three that will see us all burned, literally burned. The only salvation I see is that my daughter will know how to use a gun and know how to run. | |||
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Do you actually read anything I post, or just skim a few words and make what you think I say fit what’s already in your head? I absolutely do not support, sympathise with, identify with, or have one iota of pity for anything that happens to anyone involved in the recent attack on Israel, the “caliphate” or any terrorist attack anywhere or those for that matter who fund such activities ( see last para). My objection to what’s happening in Gaza is two fold- 1. A lot of innocent people are suffering or being killed. 2. It will not resolve the problem long term. I would add that neither side is wholly in the right, what Hamas do is unforgivable, but there has been provocation from the Israeli side too. I cannot put it any more clearly than that, if you can’t understand it then there is nothing more I can say. As for the surge, people getting beheaded on camera and all the western servicemen who gave up their lives or came back maimed, I was very vocal on this forum that invading Iraq was a bloody stupid thing to do, not because I had sympathy or "feelings", but because it was a bloody stupid thing to do. Ed, and a few others made the same comments, which was the que for endless French surrender and freedom fry posts, made by people whose only answer for any question was a B52 or an M1A1. With the benefit of hindsight, who was correct? If you are 55 years old you will remember the activities of the IRA, activities funded in a small way by some of your countrymen who believed that violence was the only way to achieve their aims. I have nothing but contempt for them either. | |||
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I won't be making any more posts in this thread. | |||
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For the record…I posted a clip of Palestinian elementary school age children egging on the killing of Jews a while back. Scott has posted evidence of total intertwinement of civilian and militant elements in Gaza — ammo dumps and weapon caches in schools, hospitals, and mosques. And yes Reuters and AP reporters dramatize their reports these days to fit their personal politics. Maybe this always happened and it’s just that most journalists of the 21st century are leftist. Catherine Herridge is about the only reporter you can trust to tell it like it is these days. Tucker is useful to shine light on areas all politicians would like to go away. I rely on him for no general news. Twitter is useful to get perspectives from people without platforms. I trust my ability to sort the wheat from the chaff. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ J. Lane Easter, DVM A born Texan has instilled in his system a mind-set of no retreat or no surrender. I wish everyone the world over had the dominating spirit that motivates Texans.– Billy Clayton, Speaker of the Texas House No state commands such fierce pride and loyalty. Lesser mortals are pitied for their misfortune in not being born in Texas.— Queen Elizabeth II on her visit to Texas in May, 1991. | |||
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Are you kidding? Even these idiots are smarter than that. They wanted to hit and run and whine to people like you.