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THE HAGUE (AP) — The world’s top war-crimes court issued arrest warrants Thursday for Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, his former defense minister and Hamas’ military chief, accusing them of crimes against humanity in connection with the 13-month war in Gaza.

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Originally posted by ledvm:
Netanyahu is a war hero!

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Originally posted by Jefffive:

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Originally posted by ledvm:
Netanyahu is a war hero!

You need to unplug your brain and plug it back in, it seems to have rebooted upside down at your last update...

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Originally posted by ledvm:

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Originally posted by Jefffive:

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Originally posted by ledvm:
Netanyahu is a war hero!

You need to unplug your brain and plug it back in, it seems to have rebooted upside down at your last update...

No…you are a f**king nut. I am sure you know…but thought you might have forgotten.

You are a good litmus test though. If you think it…it’s wrong. If you are for it…it’s bad.

Jefffive

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Originally posted by Jefffive:

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Originally posted by ledvm:

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Originally posted by Jefffive:

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Originally posted by ledvm:
Netanyahu is a war hero!

You need to unplug your brain and plug it back in, it seems to have rebooted upside down at your last update...

No…you are a f**king nut. I am sure you know…but thought you might have forgotten.

You are a good litmus test though. If you think it…it’s wrong. If you are for it…it’s bad.

Jefffive

I don't support putting child molesters and serial adulterers in positions of trust. Same with fraudsters and scam artists. So I guess we are diametrically opposed, since you cheer for people like that.

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Originally posted by crbutler:
While Netanyahu has governed the war fairly well, he’s no war hero for it. Churchill, Roosevelt, and Stalin were not war heroes either.

I do have issues with the ICC calling him a war criminal. I don’t buy that, at least with the information provided by the press so far.

War is a dirty business and I’m not sure how you can have a humane war…

If the Israelis did order the mass starvation of people to get rid of them (actual genocide) then, yes, that’s a war crime under current law; but still there should be some actual evidence that was what was done for that reason.

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"Today I am filing applications for warrants of arrest before Pre-Trial Chamber I of the International Criminal Court in the Situation in the State of Palestine.

"On the basis of evidence collected and examined by my Office, I have reasonable grounds to believe that Yahya SINWAR (Head of the Islamic Resistance Movement (“Hamas”) in the Gaza Strip), Mohammed Diab Ibrahim AL-MASRI, more commonly known as DEIF (Commander-in-Chief of the military wing of Hamas, known as the Al-Qassam Brigades), and Ismail HANIYEH (Head of Hamas Political Bureau) bear criminal responsibility for the following war crimes and crimes against humanity committed on the territory of Israel and the State of Palestine (in the Gaza strip) from at least 7 October 2023:

Extermination as a crime against humanity, contrary to article 7(1)(b) of the Rome Statute;
Murder as a crime against humanity, contrary to article 7(1)(a), and as a war crime, contrary to article 8(2)(c)(i);
Taking hostages as a war crime, contrary to article 8(2)(c)(iii);
Rape and other acts of sexual violence as crimes against humanity, contrary to article 7(1)(g), and also as war crimes pursuant to article 8(2)(e)(vi) in the context of captivity;
Torture as a crime against humanity, contrary to article 7(1)(f), and also as a war crime, contrary to article 8(2)(c)(i), in the context of captivity;
Other inhumane acts as a crime against humanity, contrary to article 7(l)(k), in the context of captivity;
Cruel treatment as a war crime contrary to article 8(2)(c)(i), in the context of captivity; and
Outrages upon personal dignity as a war crime, contrary to article 8(2)(c)(ii), in the context of captivity.

Reuters Picture of Hamas leader in Gaza Yahya Sinwar Reuters
The ICC is seeking an arrest warrant for Hamas leader in Gaza Yahya Sinwar (file image).
"Yahya Sinwar, Mohammed Diab Ibrahim Al-Masri (Deif), Ismail Haniyeh

"My Office submits that the war crimes alleged in these applications were committed in the context of an international armed conflict between Israel and Palestine, and a non-international armed conflict between Israel and Hamas running in parallel. We submit that the crimes against humanity charged were part of a widespread and systematic attack against the civilian population of Israel by Hamas and other armed groups pursuant to organisational policies. Some of these crimes, in our assessment, continue to this day.

"My Office submits there are reasonable grounds to believe that SINWAR, DEIF and HANIYEH are criminally responsible for the killing of hundreds of Israeli civilians in attacks perpetrated by Hamas (in particular its military wing, the al-Qassam Brigades) and other armed groups on 7 October 2023 and the taking of at least 245 hostages. As part of our investigations, my Office has interviewed victims and survivors, including former hostages and eyewitnesses from six major attack locations: Kfar Aza; Holit; the location of the Supernova Music Festival; Be’eri; Nir Oz; and Nahal Oz. The investigation also relies on evidence such as CCTV footage, authenticated audio, photo and video material, statements by Hamas members including the alleged perpetrators named above, and expert evidence.

"It is the view of my Office that these individuals planned and instigated the commission of crimes on 7 October 2023, and have through their own actions, including personal visits to hostages shortly after their kidnapping, acknowledged their responsibility for those crimes. We submit that these crimes could not have been committed without their actions. They are charged both as co-perpetrators and as superiors pursuant to Articles 25 and 28 of the Rome Statute.

"During my own visit to Kibbutz Be’eri and Kibbutz Kfar Aza, as well as to the site of Supernova Music Festival in Re’im, I saw the devastating scenes of these attacks and the profound impact of the unconscionable crimes charged in the applications filed today. Speaking with survivors, I heard how the love within a family, the deepest bonds between a parent and a child, were contorted to inflict unfathomable pain through calculated cruelty and extreme callousness. These acts demand accountability.

"My Office also submits there are reasonable grounds to believe that hostages taken from Israel have been kept in inhumane conditions, and that some have been subject to sexual violence, including rape, while being held in captivity. We have reached that conclusion based on medical records, contemporaneous video and documentary evidence, and interviews with victims and survivors. My Office also continues to investigate reports of sexual violence committed on 7 October.

"I wish to express my gratitude to the survivors, and the families of victims of the 7 October attacks, for their courage in coming forward to provide their accounts to my Office. We remain focused on further deepening our investigations of all crimes committed as part of these attacks and will continue to work with all partners to ensure that justice is delivered.

"I again reiterate my call for the immediate release of all hostages taken from Israel and for their safe return to their families. This is a fundamental requirement of international humanitarian law."


Reuters Israeli Prime Minister Netanyahu and defense minister Yoav Gallantce in Tel AvivReuters
The ICC is also seeking warrants for the arrest of Israeli Prime Minister Netanyahu (left) and defence minister Yoav Gallant (right).
"Benjamin Netanyahu, Yoav Gallant

"On the basis of evidence collected and examined by my Office, I have reasonable grounds to believe that Benjamin NETANYAHU, the Prime Minister of Israel, and Yoav GALLANT, the Minister of Defence of Israel, bear criminal responsibility for the following war crimes and crimes against humanity committed on the territory of the State of Palestine (in the Gaza strip) from at least 8 October 2023:

Starvation of civilians as a method of warfare as a war crime contrary to article 8(2)(b)(xxv) of the Statute;
Wilfully causing great suffering, or serious injury to body or health contrary to article 8(2)(a)(iii), or cruel treatment as a war crime contrary to article 8(2)(c)(i);
Wilful killing contrary to article 8(2)(a)(i), or Murder as a war crime contrary to article 8(2)(c)(i);
Intentionally directing attacks against a civilian population as a war crime contrary to articles 8(2)(b)(i), or 8(2)(e)(i);
Extermination and/or murder contrary to articles 7(1)(b) and 7(1)(a), including in the context of deaths caused by starvation, as a crime against humanity;
Persecution as a crime against humanity contrary to article 7(1)(h);
Other inhumane acts as crimes against humanity contrary to article 7(1)(k).
"My Office submits that the war crimes alleged in these applications were committed in the context of an international armed conflict between Israel and Palestine, and a non-international armed conflict between Israel and Hamas (together with other Palestinian Armed Groups) running in parallel. We submit that the crimes against humanity charged were committed as part of a widespread and systematic attack against the Palestinian civilian population pursuant to State policy. These crimes, in our assessment, continue to this day.

"My Office submits that the evidence we have collected, including interviews with survivors and eyewitnesses, authenticated video, photo and audio material, satellite imagery and statements from the alleged perpetrator group, shows that Israel has intentionally and systematically deprived the civilian population in all parts of Gaza of objects indispensable to human survival.

"This occurred through the imposition of a total siege over Gaza that involved completely closing the three border crossing points, Rafah, Kerem Shalom and Erez, from 8 October 2023 for extended periods and then by arbitrarily restricting the transfer of essential supplies – including food and medicine – through the border crossings after they were reopened. The siege also included cutting off cross-border water pipelines from Israel to Gaza – Gazans’ principal source of clean water – for a prolonged period beginning 9 October 2023, and cutting off and hindering electricity supplies from at least 8 October 2023 until today. This took place alongside other attacks on civilians, including those queuing for food; obstruction of aid delivery by humanitarian agencies; and attacks on and killing of aid workers, which forced many agencies to cease or limit their operations in Gaza.

"My Office submits that these acts were committed as part of a common plan to use starvation as a method of war and other acts of violence against the Gazan civilian population as a means to (i) eliminate Hamas; (ii) secure the return of the hostages which Hamas has abducted, and (iii) collectively punish the civilian population of Gaza, whom they perceived as a threat to Israel.

"The effects of the use of starvation as a method of warfare, together with other attacks and collective punishment against the civilian population of Gaza are acute, visible and widely known, and have been confirmed by multiple witnesses interviewed by my Office, including local and international medical doctors. They include malnutrition, dehydration, profound suffering and an increasing number of deaths among the Palestinian population, including babies, other children, and women.

"Famine is present in some areas of Gaza and is imminent in other areas. As UN Secretary-General António Guterres warned more than two months ago, “1.1 million people in Gaza are facing catastrophic hunger – the highest number of people ever recorded – anywhere, anytime” as a result of an “entirely man-made disaster”. Today, my Office seeks to charge two of those most responsible, NETANYAHU and GALLANT, both as co-perpetrators and as superiors pursuant to Articles 25 and 28 of the Rome Statute.

"Israel, like all States, has a right to take action to defend its population. That right, however, does not absolve Israel or any State of its obligation to comply with international humanitarian law. Notwithstanding any military goals they may have, the means Israel chose to achieve them in Gaza – namely, intentionally causing death, starvation, great suffering, and serious injury to body or health of the civilian population – are criminal.

"Since last year, in Ramallah, in Cairo, in Israel and in Rafah, I have consistently emphasised that international humanitarian law demands that Israel take urgent action to immediately allow access to humanitarian aid in Gaza at scale. I specifically underlined that starvation as a method of war and the denial of humanitarian relief constitute Rome Statute offences. I could not have been clearer.

"As I also repeatedly underlined in my public statements, those who do not comply with the law should not complain later when my Office takes action. That day has come."

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Originally posted by crbutler:
While Netanyahu has governed the war fairly well, he’s no war hero for it. Churchill, Roosevelt, and Stalin were not war heroes either.

I do have issues with the ICC calling him a war criminal. I don’t buy that, at least with the information provided by the press so far.

War is a dirty business and I’m not sure how you can have a humane war…

If the Israelis did order the mass starvation of people to get rid of them (actual genocide) then, yes, that’s a war crime under current law; but still there should be some actual evidence that was what was done for that reason.

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Originally posted by Nakihunter:
Great post doc.

Very insightful and I bet most people would have missed the complex underlying implications!

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Originally posted by crbutler:
While Netanyahu has governed the war fairly well, he’s no war hero for it. Churchill, Roosevelt, and Stalin were not war heroes either.

I do have issues with the ICC calling him a war criminal. I don’t buy that, at least with the information provided by the press so far.

War is a dirty business and I’m not sure how you can have a humane war…

If the Israelis did order the mass starvation of people to get rid of them (actual genocide) then, yes, that’s a war crime under current law; but still there should be some actual evidence that was what was done for that reason.

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While Netanyahu has governed the war fairly well, he’s no war hero for it. Churchill,

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If the Israelis did order the mass starvation of people to get rid of them (actual genocide) then, yes, that’s a war crime under current law; but still there should be some actual evidence that was what was done for that reason.

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Originally posted by ledvm:

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While Netanyahu has governed the war fairly well, he’s no war hero for it. Churchill,

I disagree about Netanyahu and Churhill.

I have great respect for Israel, the IDF, Netanyahu and his brother. Read about the raid at Entebbe.

Israel is the leopard that lives in a lion’s den.

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Originally posted by jeffeosso:
Again, Naki -
I ask that you post DIRECTLY into my composter, it will help my garden in the spring

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Originally posted by ledvm:
Netanyahu is a war hero!

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Originally posted by crbutler:
While Netanyahu has governed the war fairly well, he’s no war hero for it. Churchill, Roosevelt, and Stalin were not war heroes either.

I do have issues with the ICC calling him a war criminal. I don’t buy that, at least with the information provided by the press so far.

War is a dirty business and I’m not sure how you can have a humane war…

If the Israelis did order the mass starvation of people to get rid of them (actual genocide) then, yes, that’s a war crime under current law; but still there should be some actual evidence that was what was done for that reason.

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Originally posted by Nakihunter:
People need to read some REAL history, not just the colonial PR BS that is repeated.

Churchill was a bigoted racist and had no compassion for other ethnic groups.

Churchill refused to meet with and negotiate with mahatma Gandhi as a fellow leader and human being.

Churchill was personally responsible for the unnecessary death of millions of Indians as result of the Bengal famine. He deliberately diverted grain from Australia meant for the famine relief and sent it to the war stocks that were really not required. Millions died.

Definitely not a war hero.

https://www.theguardian.com/wo...-bengal-famine-study

https://www.amazon.com/Bengal-...ccount/dp/0595362095

Oxford and Cambridge university studies now confirm these reports.

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Originally posted by ledvm:

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While Netanyahu has governed the war fairly well, he’s no war hero for it. Churchill,

I disagree about Netanyahu and Churhill.

I have great respect for Israel, the IDF, Netanyahu and his brother. Read about the raid at Entebbe.

Israel is the leopard that lives in a lion’s den.

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Originally posted by ledvm:

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Originally posted by Jefffive:

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Originally posted by ledvm:
Netanyahu is a war hero!

You need to unplug your brain and plug it back in, it seems to have rebooted upside down at your last update...

No…you are a f**king nut. I am sure you know…but thought you might have forgotten.

You are a good litmus test though. If you think it…it’s wrong. If you are for it…it’s bad.

Jefffive

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Originally posted by ledvm:
Netanyahu is a war hero!

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Originally posted by TomP:

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Originally posted by ledvm:
Netanyahu is a war hero!

From one point of view, but the limited reporting of the war so far looks a lot like ethnic cleansing.
I find it hard to cheer for that.

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Originally posted by Saeed:
https://www.npr.org/2024/11/20...aid-in-recent-memory
Look at the link I posted above!

Gaza no longer looks like a town any more!

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Originally posted by Saeed:

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Originally posted by TomP:

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Originally posted by ledvm:
Netanyahu is a war hero!

From one point of view, but the limited reporting of the war so far looks a lot like ethnic cleansing.
I find it hard to cheer for that.

Western media is too scared to report the facts on the non stop crimes against humanity the New Nazi are committing against the Palestinians!

Especially American media!

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Originally posted by nute:

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Originally posted by Saeed:

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Originally posted by TomP:

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Originally posted by ledvm:
Netanyahu is a war hero!

From one point of view, but the limited reporting of the war so far looks a lot like ethnic cleansing.
I find it hard to cheer for that.

Western media is too scared to report the facts on the non stop crimes against humanity the New Nazi are committing against the Palestinians!

Especially American media!

The media aren't allowed into Gaza. There can be only 1 reason, that it suits Israel. So we have only those that happened to be there when this started, Hamas or Israel's word for it.

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Originally posted by Scott King:

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Originally posted by nute:

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Originally posted by Saeed:

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Originally posted by TomP:

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Originally posted by ledvm:
Netanyahu is a war hero!

From one point of view, but the limited reporting of the war so far looks a lot like ethnic cleansing.
I find it hard to cheer for that.

Western media is too scared to report the facts on the non stop crimes against humanity the New Nazi are committing against the Palestinians!

Especially American media!

The media aren't allowed into Gaza. There can be only 1 reason, that it suits Israel. So we have only those that happened to be there when this started, Hamas or Israel's word for it.

Modern media in a war zone is a terrible idea. The ebb and flow of public opinion has always been a whim, but the Internet and 24 hr news cycle has made that whim whiplash. If I were a combat commander I'd not only ban the press but also destroy all cell phone towers as well as any and all other enemy/civilian communication infrastructure. Right back to the 1820's for the opposition.

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Originally posted by Scott King:

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Originally posted by nute:

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Originally posted by Saeed:

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Originally posted by TomP:

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Originally posted by ledvm:
Netanyahu is a war hero!

From one point of view, but the limited reporting of the war so far looks a lot like ethnic cleansing.
I find it hard to cheer for that.

Western media is too scared to report the facts on the non stop crimes against humanity the New Nazi are committing against the Palestinians!

Especially American media!

The media aren't allowed into Gaza. There can be only 1 reason, that it suits Israel. So we have only those that happened to be there when this started, Hamas or Israel's word for it.

Modern media in a war zone is a terrible idea. The ebb and flow of public opinion has always been a whim, but the Internet and 24 hr news cycle has made that whim whiplash. If I were a combat commander I'd not only ban the press but also destroy all cell phone towers as well as any and all other enemy/civilian communication infrastructure. Right back to the 1820's for the opposition.

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Originally posted by ledvm:
Netanyahu is a war hero!

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Originally posted by Saeed:
The Zionist are quick to ring up ANTI SEMITISM against anyone.

Convenient turning a blind eye to the other Semites being murdered, daily, in Occupied Palestine!

Over 100,000 INNOCENT Palestinians were killed in the past 12 months.

Not a word of regret from the West!

All we hear is KILL HAMAS!

I bet non of wholesale crimes against humanity being perpetrated by the Zionist, ever make it to Western media!

Of course not.

Europe turned a blind eye to Adolf killing innocent Jews!

They only woke up once he started expanding!

The cancer in Palestine will get the same treatment.

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Originally posted by Scott King:

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Originally posted by Saeed:
The Zionist are quick to ring up ANTI SEMITISM against anyone.

Convenient turning a blind eye to the other Semites being murdered, daily, in Occupied Palestine!

Over 100,000 INNOCENT Palestinians were killed in the past 12 months.

Not a word of regret from the West!

All we hear is KILL HAMAS!

I bet non of wholesale crimes against humanity being perpetrated by the Zionist, ever make it to Western media!

Of course not.

Europe turned a blind eye to Adolf killing innocent Jews!

They only woke up once he started expanding!

The cancer in Palestine will get the same treatment.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wik...b_citizens_of_Israel

Wikipedia disagrees with you.

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Herded into a glorified concentration camp called GAZA!

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Originally posted by Saeed:

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Originally posted by Scott King:

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Originally posted by Saeed:
The Zionist are quick to ring up ANTI SEMITISM against anyone.

Convenient turning a blind eye to the other Semites being murdered, daily, in Occupied Palestine!

Over 100,000 INNOCENT Palestinians were killed in the past 12 months.

Not a word of regret from the West!

All we hear is KILL HAMAS!

I bet non of wholesale crimes against humanity being perpetrated by the Zionist, ever make it to Western media!

Of course not.

Europe turned a blind eye to Adolf killing innocent Jews!

They only woke up once he started expanding!

The cancer in Palestine will get the same treatment.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wik...b_citizens_of_Israel

Wikipedia disagrees with you.

Again, another total bullshit article.

Herded into a glorified concentration camp called GAZA!

Their original homes have been raised to make places for ILLEGAT COLONIES.

They have absolutely no control over their water, electricity, Internet or banking.

They are paying the price of the pogroms committed against Jews by Christians in Europe.

So Europe and the West try everything to hide these facts, so not to draw attention to their own crimes.

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Originally posted by RolandtheHeadless:

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Originally posted by Saeed:

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Originally posted by Scott King:

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Originally posted by Saeed:
The Zionist are quick to ring up ANTI SEMITISM against anyone.

Convenient turning a blind eye to the other Semites being murdered, daily, in Occupied Palestine!

Over 100,000 INNOCENT Palestinians were killed in the past 12 months.

Not a word of regret from the West!

All we hear is KILL HAMAS!

I bet non of wholesale crimes against humanity being perpetrated by the Zionist, ever make it to Western media!

Of course not.

Europe turned a blind eye to Adolf killing innocent Jews!

They only woke up once he started expanding!

The cancer in Palestine will get the same treatment.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wik...b_citizens_of_Israel

Wikipedia disagrees with you.

Again, another total bullshit article.

Herded into a glorified concentration camp called GAZA!

Their original homes have been raised to make places for ILLEGAT COLONIES.

They have absolutely no control over their water, electricity, Internet or banking.

They are paying the price of the pogroms committed against Jews by Christians in Europe.

So Europe and the West try everything to hide these facts, so not to draw attention to their own crimes.

Since you're so sympathetic to Palestinians, why doesn't your country take in your share of refugees? After all, aren't they your Arab brothers?

How can you stand by and watch them die?

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Originally posted by RolandtheHeadless:

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Originally posted by Saeed:

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Originally posted by Scott King:

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Originally posted by Saeed:
The Zionist are quick to ring up ANTI SEMITISM against anyone.

Convenient turning a blind eye to the other Semites being murdered, daily, in Occupied Palestine!

Over 100,000 INNOCENT Palestinians were killed in the past 12 months.

Not a word of regret from the West!

All we hear is KILL HAMAS!

I bet non of wholesale crimes against humanity being perpetrated by the Zionist, ever make it to Western media!

Of course not.

Europe turned a blind eye to Adolf killing innocent Jews!

They only woke up once he started expanding!

The cancer in Palestine will get the same treatment.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wik...b_citizens_of_Israel

Wikipedia disagrees with you.

Again, another total bullshit article.

Herded into a glorified concentration camp called GAZA!

Their original homes have been raised to make places for ILLEGAT COLONIES.

They have absolutely no control over their water, electricity, Internet or banking.

They are paying the price of the pogroms committed against Jews by Christians in Europe.

So Europe and the West try everything to hide these facts, so not to draw attention to their own crimes.

Since you're so sympathetic to Palestinians, why doesn't your country take in your share of refugees? After all, aren't they your Arab brothers?

How can you stand by and watch them die?