I have come to believe that Biden will be replaced one way or the other by the end of the DNC Convention…if not sooner.

I was a hold out on jumping on this bandwagon…but now believe it is inevitable…the cat is out of the bag.

It should show you true-believers though…

…the whole of the Democratic Party AND the MSM has been lying to you for a longtime about Joe. (no surprise to me)

It will be an interesting election year.

Good for them.

What about you lot?

Why don’t you replace THE MAGA ARSEHOLE!

A career criminal all his life!

This flood of abandonment is insurmountable.

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Originally posted by ledvm:
This flood of abandonment is insurmountable.

Exactly!

But no different to the blind support for THE MAGA ARSEHOLE!!

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President Joe Biden’s performance during the first presidential debate has been widely panned, with critics and even those within his own party calling for him to step aside. But the question remained: Would Biden’s shaky performance against former President Donald Trump result in a noticeable dip in the polls for the president?

According to a new report from the Northeastern University-led data project CHIP50, the answer is no...

What the report finds is that Biden held on to 94% of the people who said they would support him before the debate. For Trump, 86% of people who said they would support him before the debate said they would do so after the debate.

“What we see is that there is some churn –– maybe 10 percent or so of people change what they answer –– but that the net result is not a movement away from Biden,” Lazer says. “If anything, it seems that Biden is holding on to his people somewhat better than Trump.”

Link

Better a dotard than a sociopath guilty of criminal fraud.

quote:

Originally posted by ledvm:
I have come to believe that Biden will be replaced one way or the other by the end of the DNC Convention…if not sooner.

I was a hold out on jumping on this bandwagon…but now believe it is inevitable…the cat is out of the bag.

It should show you true-believers though…

…the whole of the Democratic Party AND the MSM has been lying to you for a longtime about Joe. (no surprise to me)

It will be an interesting election year.

Too bad the lying seditionist convicted felon that you support can't be replaced too.

quote:

Originally posted by Saeed:
Good for them.

What about you lot?

Why don’t you replace THE MAGA ARSEHOLE!

A career criminal all his life!

Hmmm...

What are the odds of 2 brokered conventions?

Has it ever happened?


.

quote:

Originally posted by ledvm:

I have come to believe that Biden will be replaced one way or the other by the end of the DNC Convention…if not sooner.

I was a hold out on jumping on this bandwagon…but now believe it is inevitable…the cat is out of the bag.

It should show you true-believers though…

…the whole of the Democratic Party AND the MSM has been lying to you for a longtime about Joe. (no surprise to me)

It will be an interesting election year.

I think you are wrong about the lying part.

As you said, why jump on that bandwagon prematurely?

I could do the look-over-there think, but you know.

As I recall, long time ago you denied that Trump is a psycho liar. Then you just quit talking about it. As far as I know you are still on that bandwagon.

So, what qualifies you to call out lies?

Oh…don’t get me wrong…I HOPE they keep him in…the election will be a landslide for Trump.

quote:

Originally posted by Mike Mitchell:

quote:

Originally posted by ledvm:
I have come to believe that Biden will be replaced one way or the other by the end of the DNC Convention…if not sooner.

I was a hold out on jumping on this bandwagon…but now believe it is inevitable…the cat is out of the bag.

It should show you true-believers though…

…the whole of the Democratic Party AND the MSM has been lying to you for a longtime about Joe. (no surprise to me)

It will be an interesting election year.

Too bad the lying seditionist convicted felon that you support can't be replaced too.

Driving from the Red River to the Rio Grande…I see why “the Mikes” have to be allies here on the ARPF because in the Lone Star State…you have no one else. Never saw so many Trump flags as in the Rio Grande Valley…but prominent border to border! You must feel lonely.

I wish I could (sincerely) say the same for Trump.

These are troubling times. If republicans somehow got rid of Trump, would that mean they came to their moral senses?

The answer is obvious. In the means to end formula, the means are flexible. The end goal is rigid.

IMO, Trump is the almost perfect foil, or antagonist as in a narrative plot. Shakespeare couldn't have done better.

You just can't get a better representative of what the GOP has become now that Trump owns it.

In most things in life binary choice doesn't happen starkly. Regarding the presumed candidates for POTUS it looks like that's what we have.

And frankly, IMO, we are in the woods so deep that it wouldn't matter now if one or both candidates are replaced. That opinion is regarding the vote and the projected accomplishments during term of office.

I think he should be, but do not believe it will happen.

I dread to think of Biden going comatose while in his second term. But his VP choice is still way better than Trump's short list.

Trump - not so much. In many ways he's already there. The difference is his condition is of his own making, not a factor of aging, or health except mental health.

quote:

Originally posted by ledvm:

quote:

Originally posted by Mike Mitchell:

quote:

Originally posted by ledvm:
I have come to believe that Biden will be replaced one way or the other by the end of the DNC Convention…if not sooner.

I was a hold out on jumping on this bandwagon…but now believe it is inevitable…the cat is out of the bag.

It should show you true-believers though…

…the whole of the Democratic Party AND the MSM has been lying to you for a longtime about Joe. (no surprise to me)

It will be an interesting election year.

Too bad the lying seditionist convicted felon that you support can't be replaced too.

Driving from the Red River to the Rio Grande…I see why “the Mikes” have to be allies here on the ARPF because in the Lone Star State…you have no one else. Never saw so many Trump flags as in the Rio Grande Valley…but prominent border to border! You must feel lonely.

I should feel lonely because Texas is filled with idiots like you?

Mike, Mike, Mike,

He won't be a convicted felon for long. Regardless of your political inclinations, anyone with a brain, could see the many flaws with that trial, but after the Supreme Court's decision on immunity demonstrates the evidentiary problems associated with that trial, it can't possibly stand. Even a very biased trial judge recognizes that.

quote:

Originally posted by lavaca:
Mike, Mike, Mike,

He won't be a convicted felon for long. Regardless of your political inclinations, anyone with a brain, could see the many flaws with that trial, but after the Supreme Court's decision on immunity demonstrates the evidentiary problems associated with that trial, it can't possibly stand. Even a very biased trial judge recognizes that.

Well, you can take solace in the fact that he was only a felon temporarily? Only a trumptard could say something so stupid.

That's not the way it works, Mike. If someone is wrongfully convicted, they are not a felon. Are the people who have been in prison for years who are are released because their conviction was improper still felons for life? Your approach would defeat the whole purpose of the Innocence Project and the entire criminal justice system. Once convicted of a felony, always a felon regardless of whether the conviction is valid or reversed on appeal. Wow!

quote:

Originally posted by lavaca:
That's not the way it works, Mike. If someone is wrongfully convicted, they are not a felon. Are the people who have been in prison for years who are are released because their conviction was improper still felons for life? Your approach would defeat the whole purpose of the Innocence Project and the entire criminal justice system. Once convicted of a felony, always a felon regardless of whether the conviction is valid or reversed on appeal. Wow!

One has got to love the American criminal system.

Small fry are crucified.

Big ones get away with murder!

quote:

Originally posted by Mike Mitchell:

quote:

Originally posted by ledvm:

quote:

Originally posted by Mike Mitchell:

quote:

Originally posted by ledvm:
I have come to believe that Biden will be replaced one way or the other by the end of the DNC Convention…if not sooner.

I was a hold out on jumping on this bandwagon…but now believe it is inevitable…the cat is out of the bag.

It should show you true-believers though…

…the whole of the Democratic Party AND the MSM has been lying to you for a longtime about Joe. (no surprise to me)

It will be an interesting election year.

Too bad the lying seditionist convicted felon that you support can't be replaced too.

Driving from the Red River to the Rio Grande…I see why “the Mikes” have to be allies here on the ARPF because in the Lone Star State…you have no one else. Never saw so many Trump flags as in the Rio Grande Valley…but prominent border to border! You must feel lonely.

I should feel lonely because Texas is filled with idiots like you?

So the majority of Texans are idiots? Got it.

I think I would move. California is calling!

quote:

Originally posted by Mike Mitchell:

quote:

Originally posted by lavaca:
Mike, Mike, Mike,

He won't be a convicted felon for long. Regardless of your political inclinations, anyone with a brain, could see the many flaws with that trial, but after the Supreme Court's decision on immunity demonstrates the evidentiary problems associated with that trial, it can't possibly stand. Even a very biased trial judge recognizes that.

Well, you can take solace in the fact that he was only a felon temporarily? Only a trumptard could say something so stupid.

No, the stupidity comes from the people like yourself who were OK with our criminal justice system being weaponized like it was solely to weaken a political opponent.

I used to believe there were some functional neurons among “the Mikes” but anyone who could jump on that bandwagon I wonder. Talk about “any means” justifying and end…

quote:

Originally posted by lavaca:
That's not the way it works, Mike. If someone is wrongfully convicted, they are not a felon. Are the people who have been in prison for years who are are released because their conviction was improper still felons for life? Your approach would defeat the whole purpose of the Innocence Project and the entire criminal justice system. Once convicted of a felony, always a felon regardless of whether the conviction is valid or reversed on appeal. Wow!

David,
He is fine with it. He fully supported that trial. A trial for the whole world to see how America is no different from a despot dictatorship where the criminal justice system is routinely weaponized by the people in power.

Some of you can twist/spin/project anything, and believe your own BS.

Felon = convicted of a crime, under due process of the rule of law.

Criminal = a person who has committed a crime.

Trump is a felon and a convicted criminal, by definition.

His status thusly is regardless of appeal pending. Such appeal could result in a new trial, but whatever the appeal decision is, unless affirmed, the basis will be technicality, rather than evidentiary.

quote:

Originally posted by lavaca:
That's not the way it works, Mike. If someone is wrongfully convicted, they are not a felon. Are the people who have been in prison for years who are are released because their conviction was improper still felons for life? Your approach would defeat the whole purpose of the Innocence Project and the entire criminal justice system. Once convicted of a felony, always a felon regardless of whether the conviction is valid or reversed on appeal. Wow!

Getting a little bit ahead of yourself aren't you? We'll see how it plays out. I'm all for another trial if the current conviction gets overturned. And, he's got a few more trials coming up, doesn't he? Makes you proud to be a republican

As for being "wrongfully convicted", we all know he did what he was accused of...even if he gets off on some evidentiary technicality, that fact doesn't change.

quote:

Originally posted by ledvm:

quote:

Originally posted by Mike Mitchell:

quote:

Originally posted by ledvm:

quote:

Originally posted by Mike Mitchell:

quote:

Originally posted by ledvm:
I have come to believe that Biden will be replaced one way or the other by the end of the DNC Convention…if not sooner.

I was a hold out on jumping on this bandwagon…but now believe it is inevitable…the cat is out of the bag.

It should show you true-believers though…

…the whole of the Democratic Party AND the MSM has been lying to you for a longtime about Joe. (no surprise to me)

It will be an interesting election year.

Too bad the lying seditionist convicted felon that you support can't be replaced too.

Driving from the Red River to the Rio Grande…I see why “the Mikes” have to be allies here on the ARPF because in the Lone Star State…you have no one else. Never saw so many Trump flags as in the Rio Grande Valley…but prominent border to border! You must feel lonely.

I should feel lonely because Texas is filled with idiots like you?

So the majority of Texans are idiots? Got it.

I think I would move. California is calling!

Anybody that supports trump is an idiot.

quote:

Originally posted by ledvm:

quote:

Originally posted by lavaca:
That's not the way it works, Mike. If someone is wrongfully convicted, they are not a felon. Are the people who have been in prison for years who are are released because their conviction was improper still felons for life? Your approach would defeat the whole purpose of the Innocence Project and the entire criminal justice system. Once convicted of a felony, always a felon regardless of whether the conviction is valid or reversed on appeal. Wow!

David,
He is fine with it. He fully supported that trial. A trial for the whole world to see how America is no different from a despot dictatorship where the criminal justice system is routinely weaponized by the people in power.

Morons. Your boy falsified business records to cover up hush money payments to a hooker.

You can quack about it until the cows come home but everybody knows that is what happened. He might get a new trial based on the appeal, he might not. Either way, it happened and you know it.

quote:

Mollie Hemingway:
Democrat propaganda outlet CNN is now running wild with stories about Biden needing to step down to help the Democrat Party win in November. But what were they saying about media outlets who reported the facts of Biden's problems days before the debate? Let's look!

Link to the rest-of-the-story

quote:

Originally posted by Mike Mitchell:

quote:

Originally posted by ledvm:

quote:

Originally posted by lavaca:
That's not the way it works, Mike. If someone is wrongfully convicted, they are not a felon. Are the people who have been in prison for years who are are released because their conviction was improper still felons for life? Your approach would defeat the whole purpose of the Innocence Project and the entire criminal justice system. Once convicted of a felony, always a felon regardless of whether the conviction is valid or reversed on appeal. Wow!

David,
He is fine with it. He fully supported that trial. A trial for the whole world to see how America is no different from a despot dictatorship where the criminal justice system is routinely weaponized by the people in power.

Morons. Your boy falsified business records to cover up hush money payments to a hooker.

You can quack about it until the cows come home but everybody knows that is what happened. He might get a new trial based on the appeal, he might not. Either way, it happened and you know it.

I know nothing of the sort. I saw NO evidence of “falsification.”

Republicans should be doing all they can to support Joe Biden at this time. Failing that, they should do all they can to ensure Kamala Harris gets the nod. These are two candidates they know they can beat.
Democrats have to come to the realization that neither Biden nor Harris is likely to win an election; whereas almost anyone else has a chance to win. They will have an even better chance if they adopt some conservative strategies, both fiscal and social, but one can't hope for too much. Bill.

quote:

Republicans should be doing all they can to support Joe Biden at this time. Failing that, they should do all they can to ensure Kamala Harris gets the nod. These are two candidates they know they can beat.

Darn. I had to read that twice.

At first, I thought you were saying support Biden out of some sort of moral statement or aptitude.

But then you said repugs think they can beat either.

Anyway, I think repugs should stick with Trump for moral reasons. He and Trumpism shows where they are on morals. And even Biden and/or Harris can win.

It's a long time till the election. The media is already in a frenzy. It's gonna get worse - or better depending on POV.

For example:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news...2f42fd84961d5&ei=100

New York Times editorial board declares Trump ‘unfit to lead’
Story by Martin Pengelly • 3h • 4 min read

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news...02f42fd84961d5&ei=97

'Donald Trump Is Unfit to Lead': NYT releases 5,000 word essay warning voters

================================================

Here's an article that I don't agree with.

I point it out because the author claims the next election is not about a referendum on Trump, now that Biden has shown maybe he's too old.

I think the next election, for POTUS and maybe congress, IS a referendum on Trumpism.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news...85925f9a231ee8&ei=10

This Election Was Supposed to Be About Trump, Right?
Opinion by John Mulholland • 5h • 4 min read

============================================

https://youtu.be/2mCgWcwS0Z0?si=LJizPaQ47rxt_0rA

Biden Positives

quote:

Originally posted by ledvm:



I know nothing of the sort. I saw NO evidence of “falsification.”

I've been thinking about a way to respond to your post there, without attack, especially on your judgment on stuff.

So far, I haven't thought of a brief way. So, it's best to pass.

I can, however think of a long-winded word-way. But since it would be offensive and do no good anyway, I'll just use the time more constructively.

I agree that the democrats are going to change from Biden because of the current situation.

His look is very bad.

The democrat apparatus is like ME, convinced that Trump is an existential threat to our political system.

While I don’t agree with that (IMO he’s a very bad candidate) the idea of any reasonable moderate has its attractions. Of course, I doubt that the Dems will replace him with a moderate…

quote:

Of course, I doubt that the Dems will replace him with a moderate…

chit, Doc, any Dem is a moderate compared to Trump(ism)

quote:

Originally posted by Magine Enigam:

quote:

Of course, I doubt that the Dems will replace him with a moderate…

chit, Doc, any Dem is a moderate compared to Trump(ism)

Anyone who would brand themselves with a 21st century (D) is so far from a moderate that they make Bill Clinton look like far right in comparison.

quote:

Originally posted by Magine Enigam:
[QUOTE]Republicans should be doing all they can to support Joe Biden at this time. Failing that, they should do all they can to ensure Kamala Harris gets the nod. These are two candidates they know they can beat.

Darn. I had to read that twice.

At first, I thought you were saying support Biden out of some sort of moral statement or aptitude.

But then you said repugs think they can beat either.

Anyway, I think repugs should stick with Trump for moral reasons. He and Trumpism shows where they are on morals. And even Biden and/or Harris can win.

It's a long time till the election. The media is already in a frenzy. It's gonna get worse - or better depending on POV

As I have said before, the Republicans will stick with Trump simply because they are afraid to do otherwise. He is eminently beatable, but not by Biden or Harris. His followers, regarding him as the Messiah, as they do, will never fail to support him. I mean, who else has bragged about how much money he has (supposedly making him incorruptible), with the result that a bunch of middle class people send him money?
The Democrats cannot win against anyone with Biden or Harris. They can also lose if they are strategically stupid. This is always a strong possibility. Bill.

quote:

Originally posted by Bill Leeper:
Republicans should be doing all they can to support Joe Biden at this time. Failing that, they should do all they can to ensure Kamala Harris gets the nod. These are two candidates they know they can beat.

quote:

Originally posted by Magine Enigam:

Darn. I had to read that twice.

At first, I thought you were saying support Biden out of some sort of moral statement or aptitude.

But then you said repugs think they can beat either.

Anyway, I think repugs should stick with Trump for moral reasons. He and Trumpism shows where they are on morals. And even Biden and/or Harris can win.

It's a long time till the election. The media is already in a frenzy. It's gonna get worse - or better depending on POV

quote:

Originally posted by Bill Leeper:

As I have said before, the Republicans will stick with Trump simply because they are afraid to do otherwise. He is eminently beatable, but not by Biden or Harris. His followers, regarding him as the Messiah, as they do, will never fail to support him.

I mean, who else has bragged about how much money he has (supposedly making him incorruptible), with the result that a bunch of middle class people send him money?

The Democrats cannot win against anyone with Biden or Harris. They can also lose if they are strategically stupid. This is always a strong possibility. Bill.

I modified your post a little, but didn't change the words or meaning.

It is what it is. Unless there is a change of significance, we are faced with a choice of utter corruption, malfeasance, of the office of POTUS, clearly stated in their/his own words; autocracy, or continuation of the Founder's principles through liberalism.

It's liberalism vs illiberalism, clearly.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illiberal_democracy

The term "illiberal democracy" describes a governing system that hides its "nondemocratic practices behind formally democratic institutions and procedures".

The rulers of an illiberal democracy may ignore or bypass constitutional limits on their power.[3] While liberal democracies protect individual rights and freedoms, illiberal democracies do not.[4] Elections in an illiberal democracy are often manipulated or rigged, being used to legitimize and consolidate the incumbent rather than to choose the country's leaders and policies.

quote:

Originally posted by lavaca:
Mike, Mike, Mike,

He won't be a convicted felon for long. Regardless of your political inclinations, anyone with a brain, could see the many flaws with that trial, but after the Supreme Court's decision on immunity demonstrates the evidentiary problems associated with that trial, it can't possibly stand. Even a very biased trial judge recognizes that.

What one might call politically motivated "Trumped up charges" which have been exposed to the light of day and falling like skittles.

quote:

Originally posted by Magine Enigam:

quote:

Originally posted by Bill Leeper:
Republicans should be doing all they can to support Joe Biden at this time. Failing that, they should do all they can to ensure Kamala Harris gets the nod. These are two candidates they know they can beat.

quote:

Originally posted by Magine Enigam:

Darn. I had to read that twice.

At first, I thought you were saying support Biden out of some sort of moral statement or aptitude.

But then you said repugs think they can beat either.

Anyway, I think repugs should stick with Trump for moral reasons. He and Trumpism shows where they are on morals. And even Biden and/or Harris can win.

It's a long time till the election. The media is already in a frenzy. It's gonna get worse - or better depending on POV

quote:

Originally posted by Bill Leeper:

As I have said before, the Republicans will stick with Trump simply because they are afraid to do otherwise. He is eminently beatable, but not by Biden or Harris. His followers, regarding him as the Messiah, as they do, will never fail to support him.

I mean, who else has bragged about how much money he has (supposedly making him incorruptible), with the result that a bunch of middle class people send him money?

The Democrats cannot win against anyone with Biden or Harris. They can also lose if they are strategically stupid. This is always a strong possibility. Bill.

I modified your post a little, but didn't change the words or meaning.

It is what it is. Unless there is a change of significance, we are faced with a choice of utter corruption, malfeasance, of the office of POTUS, clearly stated in their/his own words; autocracy, or continuation of the Founder's principles through liberalism.

It's liberalism vs illiberalism, clearly.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illiberal_democracy

The term "illiberal democracy" describes a governing system that hides its "nondemocratic practices behind formally democratic institutions and procedures".

The rulers of an illiberal democracy may ignore or bypass constitutional limits on their power.[3] While liberal democracies protect individual rights and freedoms, illiberal democracies do not.[4] Elections in an illiberal democracy are often manipulated or rigged, being used to legitimize and consolidate the incumbent rather than to choose the country's leaders and policies.

"Continuation of the Founder's principals through liberalism?" Holy crap! While I'll admit that conservatism has gone off the rails, mostly due to the efforts of one man, liberalism never left the station. The entire premise is so far off base that I'll confess to being at a loss for words. It's as if someone said, "It does you good to breathe water". The concept is so ridiculous, the mind is fairly boggled! Regards, Bill.

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"Continuation of the Founder's principals through liberalism?" Holy crap! While I'll admit that conservatism has gone off the rails, mostly due to the efforts of one man, liberalism never left the station. The entire premise is so far off base that I'll confess to being at a loss for words. It's as if someone said, "It does you good to breathe water". The concept is so ridiculous, the mind is fairly boggled! Regards, Bill.

Think outside the box, Bill.

Illiberalism best describes GOPerism nowadays, although the term may be archaic. I don't just make this shit up.

Per Wikipedia: (excerpt)
In the United States, the Republican Party has in recent years faced criticism that it is becoming increasingly illiberal under the leadership of former President Donald Trump.[39][40][41] According to a 2020 study by the V-Dem Institute, the Republican Party has become more illiberal and populist in the last decade with a large increase under the leadership of Donald Trump.[42][43] Trump's populist style of governance has been considered by some to be a dangerous risk to the heart of liberal democracy, as well as indifference towards traditional democratic allies and praising other "strongman rulers" in the world like Putin.[44]

According to Marlène Laruelle, there are "significant differences between illiberalism and conservatism" as it has been "traditionally understood"

The key element that dissociates illiberalism from conservatism is its relationship to political liberalism. Classical conservatives — such as the Christian Democrats in Europe or the Republican Party in the U.S. before Donald Trump — are/were fervent supporters of political rights and constitutionalism, while illiberalism challenges them. For classical conservatives, the political order is a reflection of the natural and family order, and therefore commands some submission to it. For illiberals, today’s political order is the enemy of the natural order and should be fought against.[17]

Author Jennifer Gandhi says that many autocrats allow elections in their governance to stabilize and reinforce their regimes. She first says that elections help leaders resolve threats from elites and from the masses by appeasing those capable of usurping power with money and securing the cooperation of the general public with political concessions.[18] Gandhi also claims that illiberal elections serve other useful purposes, such as providing autocrats with information about their citizens and establishing legitimacy both domestically and in the international community, and that these varied functions must be elucidated in future research.[19] One example of the regime durability provided by illiberal democracy is illustrated in Mubarak's Egyptian regime. Lisa Blaydes shows that under Mubarak's lengthy rule, elections provided a mechanism through which elites bought votes to support the government (through distributing needed goods and resources to the public) to acquire regime-enforced parliamentary immunity. This enabled them to accumulate illicit wealth and draw from state resources without legal consequence.[20]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...onship_with_populism