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What the...? I thought pardons were for absolving crimes committed/convicted? Yeah, I know about Nixon and the reasoning (by far not saying I agree with it) but this seems quite different. Would this mean these people ARE guilty of something? Senior White House aides are reportedly locked in a contentious debate over a potential unprecedented move: issuing preemptive pardons to a wide range of current and former public officials Politico article for the leftists here ~Ann   | ||
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Also unprecedented; a titty baby president-elect who wants to throw people in jail for hurting his feelings. | |||
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Just wait. The fun will start once he is in the White House!  | |||
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What would you do if you were in a position to be targeted by trump whether you were guilty of something or not? Do you have the financial means to legally defend yourself? If you were in a position to be offered a get out of potential jail free card would you take it? Why the hell is he talking about civilians facing military tribunals? Where's the connection? Give me a home where the buffalo roam and I'll show you a house full of buffalo shit. | |||
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The government does that to people all the time. ~Ann | |||
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But would you take the card if offered or let the goons harass you? I expect some of that might be Joe insulating himself [and maybe his family] from the same involvement. Give me a home where the buffalo roam and I'll show you a house full of buffalo shit. | |||
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If any of these people did wrong they should be investigated and held accountable. That's my stand on such. They should not get special protection. ~Ann | |||
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Should they go to a kangaroo court in a retarded orange shitgibbon’s dictatorship? Before you answer, pretend you are not a brainwashed cult member. | |||
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Of course they should not… But the fact that you feel Trump CAN do that just fuels the suspicious that the left already has done that. We have seen criminal prosecutions done for very nebulous reasons… like the current one for the Marine in NYC. You are in effect admitting to leftist lawfare being out there, and that in your mind at least some prosecutions are politically motivated. In my mind there have been a lot of cases that were more politically motivated than strictly criminal. If they do this, it’s a blanket condemnation of the democrats and their use of power.
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Did you mambo dogface to the banana patch? I’m not aware of the NYC Marine case. I’ll look it up. But holy shit, you inferred all the way into infrared there. Can you point out a specific case of lawfare? Trump trying to shake down Zelensky? Not lawfare. Trump inciting a failed insurrection? That happened. | |||
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Dr B’s post is spot on. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ J. Lane Easter, DVM A born Texan has instilled in his system a mind-set of no retreat or no surrender. I wish everyone the world over had the dominating spirit that motivates Texans.– Billy Clayton, Speaker of the Texas House No state commands such fierce pride and loyalty. Lesser mortals are pitied for their misfortune in not being born in Texas.— Queen Elizabeth II on her visit to Texas in May, 1991. | |||
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I suspect there is criminal culpability out there for Fauci and Schiff. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ J. Lane Easter, DVM A born Texan has instilled in his system a mind-set of no retreat or no surrender. I wish everyone the world over had the dominating spirit that motivates Texans.– Billy Clayton, Speaker of the Texas House No state commands such fierce pride and loyalty. Lesser mortals are pitied for their misfortune in not being born in Texas.— Queen Elizabeth II on her visit to Texas in May, 1991. | |||
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Ok I looked up the NYC case. Did the black guy specifically threaten anyone? Did he assault anyone, or was he just a mentally ill guy spouting crazy shit? Bonus if the horse doctor says anyone killing a black guy was just doing his job. | |||
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I suspect your head is permanently lodged in your ass. | |||
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I suspect you fucking moron too. You have to be one of dumbest and most obnoxious idiots to ever post on the ARPF. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ J. Lane Easter, DVM A born Texan has instilled in his system a mind-set of no retreat or no surrender. I wish everyone the world over had the dominating spirit that motivates Texans.– Billy Clayton, Speaker of the Texas House No state commands such fierce pride and loyalty. Lesser mortals are pitied for their misfortune in not being born in Texas.— Queen Elizabeth II on her visit to Texas in May, 1991. | |||
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Hearing that from a guy who thinks it’s a cop’s job the murder a guy who was handcuffed and no threat to anyone tells me I’m right and you have shit for brains. | |||
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Only a dumb son-of-a-bitch like yourself would ever think I said that.  ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ J. Lane Easter, DVM A born Texan has instilled in his system a mind-set of no retreat or no surrender. I wish everyone the world over had the dominating spirit that motivates Texans.– Billy Clayton, Speaker of the Texas House No state commands such fierce pride and loyalty. Lesser mortals are pitied for their misfortune in not being born in Texas.— Queen Elizabeth II on her visit to Texas in May, 1991. | |||
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Really? https://forums.accuratereloadi...171091672#3171091672 | |||
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Trump has repeatedly stated that he will seek "retribution" against people who have committed no crime except opposing him or telling the truth about him. President Biden would be fully justified in issuing wholesale sweeping pardons to vaccinate people against the infection of the DOJ. Remember, this asshole wanted Matt Gaetz as Attorney General. "If you’re innocent why are you taking the Fifth Amendment?”- Donald Trump | |||
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Yeah really you dumb SOB. Reconcile this…
…to what I said in that thread. No comparison. Only a dumbass like yourself, who apparently never learned to read past See Spot Run in the first grade, could confuse the two statements. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ J. Lane Easter, DVM A born Texan has instilled in his system a mind-set of no retreat or no surrender. I wish everyone the world over had the dominating spirit that motivates Texans.– Billy Clayton, Speaker of the Texas House No state commands such fierce pride and loyalty. Lesser mortals are pitied for their misfortune in not being born in Texas.— Queen Elizabeth II on her visit to Texas in May, 1991. | |||
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If there is no criminal culpability…they have nothing to fear…correct? ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ J. Lane Easter, DVM A born Texan has instilled in his system a mind-set of no retreat or no surrender. I wish everyone the world over had the dominating spirit that motivates Texans.– Billy Clayton, Speaker of the Texas House No state commands such fierce pride and loyalty. Lesser mortals are pitied for their misfortune in not being born in Texas.— Queen Elizabeth II on her visit to Texas in May, 1991. | |||
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Forget the run around BS. Just answer the question yes or no. Under the circumstances would you accept such a pardon if it was offered? Give me a home where the buffalo roam and I'll show you a house full of buffalo shit. | |||
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I’d like to know what you think Fauci has as far as criminal culpability? The closest I can think of is funding gain of function research when the USG supposedly banned it… and getting around restrictions does seem to be an international bureaucratic sport from all nations. He made some rather questionable decisions that look like he allowed his scientific expertise to be used for political purposes despite a lack of good scientific evidence. That may be a reason to fire him, but it’s hardly criminal. I do agree that Trump has made some statements about retribution. Those are (if done) violations of law. That will turn the public against him and the republicans. I do agree that weaponization and or excessive prosecution can damage people. Defending yourself from charges takes time and money. That being said, if they start this, you will see a trend of more and more people getting pardoned and governmental accountability will become a thing of the past. This is another Harry Reid “nuclear option” genie that the democrats had best not open the door on… for the good of the country. Politically, doing it would be the beginning of the end of the longest existing U.S. political party. | |||
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Technically in order to be pardoned, you need to agree that you were guilty in the first place. Read the Hunter Biden pardon acceptance. Maybe the legally educated can opine on the legality of open pardons (like Hunter’s) where they state any unspecified crimes. I know the example is Ford pardoning Nixon, but no one tried to charge him after he left and was pardoned as far as pardons for things one has not been convicted of…
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Nixon was getting charged. You do not have to admit guilt to accept a pardon. Technically, your first sentence is incorrect. Trump in his first term preemptively pardoned folks. It is a power vested fully and only in the Presidency. The only law journal commentary I have read focus on constitutional pardons which one would be stupid to grant. That just invites issues. Now, who would have standing to challenge an issued pardon is another matter. My opinion, pure opinion w no law on the matter, no one. Maybe, maybe an AG. I strongly doubt that. | |||
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I read that at the time there was some question of the validity of the pardon because he wasn’t convicted. To the best of my knowledge, this has never been challenged in court, has it? As to Nixon being charged, they had brought articles of impeachment forward but he wasn’t convicted not ever criminally charged was he? Unindicted conspirator is not being charged… If I’m wrong that you have to accept the pardon, which states what your crimes you are being pardoned for, then I’m wrong. Nixon was the basis for pardoning before conviction- I don’t recall it ever being done before that, but IANAL.
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How about lying to Congress for one. How about orchestrating a conspiracy to conceal data that may lead to the origins of SARS CoV-2 for 2. And as you mentioned, granting NIH funding for gain of function research after such being banned by Fed Law for 3. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ J. Lane Easter, DVM A born Texan has instilled in his system a mind-set of no retreat or no surrender. I wish everyone the world over had the dominating spirit that motivates Texans.– Billy Clayton, Speaker of the Texas House No state commands such fierce pride and loyalty. Lesser mortals are pitied for their misfortune in not being born in Texas.— Queen Elizabeth II on her visit to Texas in May, 1991. | |||
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It has long been put to bed that one does not have to be convicted. | |||
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Apparently you haven't been paying attention. trump has repeatedly threatened to go after his political enemies & the voters did not seem to me to care one bit. | |||
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Threatened or promised? I expect that the voters were thrilled that he would do that. I expect that he doesn't give 2 fux from Friday about the law. Holding him to account if he did break the law would just bring screams of LAWFARE LAWFARE LAWFARE! Give me a home where the buffalo roam and I'll show you a house full of buffalo shit. | |||
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Dude, I am not a criminal and do not plan on being one. That means there are no pardons in my future and I do not need to worry about it either. I do not see what your point is. My personal opinion is political persona do not deserve special treatment like a pardon at all. Can't do the time, don't do the crime. ~Ann | |||
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Jill is worried about Joe’s legacy (and tangentially hers). Joe hasn’t known what month it is for a long while but Dr. Jill wants to bask in a Senior First Lady status like the goddess Michelle. What dilemmas. Joe had to be pardoned to protect the family, she thought. Bad advice. Her lawyers, only now, have figured out that Hunter can be compelled to testify and be subject to new perjury charges if he lies now with no right to 5th Amendment protections against any Federal crimes since January 2014. He also can be held in criminal contempt for failing to answer Congress’ questions. The 5th doesn’t protect you from incrimination from already pardoned crimes. Hunter would have to tell the truth about his step-mom. That makes Jill at risk (as is her fortune) for her participation, if any, in crimes for the time period of the pardon. Also, the ill gotten gains are subject to seizure (with the burden of proof for return being on Jill). Did she sign tax returns with Joe? Of course, being Doctor Biden, the innocent spouse doctrine would never apply to her. She, and the other powers that be, won’t have control any more of a corrupt AG and FBI. She is just now understanding that Hunter’s get out of jail card is hardly sufficient to protect her liberty, extorted funds and Grande Dame legacy. I’ll bet you she’s busy as hell trying to figure out whose pardon(s) will protect her self righteous ass best. Seriously speaking, I hope no one wants to play that brand of hardball and Jill and the whole disgraced administration just goes to a quiet pasture. But…. More blanket pardons might well light a fire in the new AG’s office. Before you say that the above possible scenario is crazy, take a look at the New York State prosecution of Trump for a statute of limitations timed out misdemeanor that ended up in 34 felony convictions. It can happen. JudgeG ... just counting time 'til I am again finding balm in Gilead chilled out somewhere in the Selous. | |||
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It's easy to berate others for doing something or accepting something, but I was curious what you would do under the SAME circumstances. Don't forget that you CAN be falsely accused. People are pardoned all of the time yet why should any of them be so privileged? Unless it can be proven that they are innocent or not guilty of the charges for which they have been sentenced. When someone makes serious threats/promises against you I'd say that forewarned is forearmed comes into play. Give me a home where the buffalo roam and I'll show you a house full of buffalo shit. | |||
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Trump promised to lock Hillary up. Did he even go after her, I cant remember if he did or not? He likes to spout shit just to get a reaction. | |||
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Trump did nothing towards Hillary even after her attack dog (Mueller) went after him. After Mueller, he showed way more restraint than I would have. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ J. Lane Easter, DVM A born Texan has instilled in his system a mind-set of no retreat or no surrender. I wish everyone the world over had the dominating spirit that motivates Texans.– Billy Clayton, Speaker of the Texas House No state commands such fierce pride and loyalty. Lesser mortals are pitied for their misfortune in not being born in Texas.— Queen Elizabeth II on her visit to Texas in May, 1991. | |||
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You do realize that the Bidens' tax returns have been public for a while and all their assets, every one, properly accounted for with no trace of ill-gotten gains, so your whole premise, spun from thin air and the scent of bullshit, is patent nonsense, don't you? And a pardon does not diminish any Constitutional right in any manner, it's not an immunity agreement, it's a full and unconditional pardon which a President is granted the power to confer at his pleasure by the Constitution. How many words did you grace us with when Trump pardoned a bushel basket of his co-conspirators like Roger Stone and Steve Bannon? "If you’re innocent why are you taking the Fifth Amendment?”- Donald Trump | |||
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Re the comments on Justice Thomas and his “gifts”… They commented on Biden going to the same billionaires place for thanksgiving weekend for years. Did Biden declare that expensive vacation as a benefit on his taxes? Unless the IRS releases a full team of forensic accountants on someone, generally the tax return is only containing declared income and certain types of government monitored income. How many folks report say garage sale income? How much tip income gets reported? I think if one used the means they use against mobsters pretty much every politician is living a lifestyle way above their reported incomes. | |||
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I guess you forgot about the IRS whistleblowers, albeit during the Garland-led “ongoing investigation “ excuses and partisan coverups of Democrat malfeasance. The worm has turned as of Nov 5th if you didn’t notice. And I understand what a pardon is and what the 5th Amendment is, also. The 5th is not a license to remain silent; it is only a protection against personal self-incrimination, not incriminating evidence against others. [/QUOTE] You do realize that the Bidens' tax returns have been public for a while and all their assets, every one, properly accounted for with no trace of ill-gotten gains, so your whole premise, spun from thin air and the scent of bullshit, is patent nonsense, don't you? And a pardon does not diminish any Constitutional right in any manner, it's not an immunity agreement, it's a full and unconditional pardon which a President is granted the power to confer at his pleasure by the Constitution. How many words did you grace us with when Trump pardoned a bushel basket of his co-conspirators like Roger Stone and Steve Bannon?[/QUOTE] JudgeG ... just counting time 'til I am again finding balm in Gilead chilled out somewhere in the Selous. | |||
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I just watched Alan Dershowitz on YouTube. He agrees with me re: Joe’s opening up Hunter to Congressional inquiry (and Biden family involvement questions that must be answered under oath. He cited the same reasons I argued). If Hunter refuses answer he can be held in criminal contempt. Ask Steve Bannon.
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I won't stoop to your TDS fantasies. Really. You need to get over it. I've been clear on what I think and just don't play ridiculous games like you keep trying to do. You seem like another creepy stalker type too. Move on.   ~Ann | |||
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