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Originally posted by Kensco:
You said it all when you said Tucker Carlson. I'm amazed you are still slurping his shit.

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Originally posted by Mike Mitchell:
Idiotic revisionist pablum for morons. Absolutely nothing new here.

Floyd died of cardiopulmonary arrest

Fact^^^

because the cop kneeled on his neck for ten minutes or whatever it was.

Supposition^^^

There was a trial, Lane. Remember?

Sometimes trials get it wrong. No?

One throwaway line from a civil deposition doesn’t alter that outcome.

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I thought about you.

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Originally posted by Kensco:

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I thought about you.

Thinking must have been hard for you ledvm.

My thinking has created new surgical techniques and is published in peer reviewed journals. Your’s…nada.

I'm still blown away by you believing Graham, Texas was the center of the Texas oil industry,

Please bring up a post showing I said that. I didn’t. All I said was that Western Chief Drilling was once headquartered in Graham and drilled a helluva lot of wells in north central Texas. Can’t believe if you worked in the industry that you never heard of them.

and your inability to critically view the political landscape in the U.S. I have a feeling you were raised in an insulated bubble. (Small pond syndrome.)

I was around good guys and bad guys during my career, but I could recognize the difference and chose not to cross the line. Your support of guys like Trump, and ANY Republican regardless of which side of the line they are on goes against the way I was raised.

Maybe if I had been born & raised in Texas like you, I might have the same views. Thankfully I didn't get here until I was 23. I never felt the need to goose-step like the people around me, just to be one of the guys.

I was offered ranches for drilling rig rights and mountain cabins for "product", but never took the bait.

I sleep well at night and my beliefs are my own, not something fed to me by those around me. In Texas, the way it is run by Abbott, Paxton, Patrick, Cruz, etc. I do feel like I am from a different planet, and happy about that feeling.

If I ever agreed with you politically, I would wonder what went wrong with me.

As to the rest of your post…

This^^^from the man who posted he was uncomfortable when he ate in a restaurant with law-abiding citizens who were open carrying.

I sleep well at night myself. Why not go back to New Mexico? I hear the once nice town of Albuquerque has become bastion for liberal idiots like yourself.

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Originally posted by ledvm:

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Originally posted by Kensco:

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I thought about you.

Thinking must have been hard for you ledvm.

My thinking has created new surgical techniques and is published in peer reviewed journals. Your’s…nada.

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Originally posted by MJines:
That's another great example. Painting with labels. It is painting by number for simpletons. Just like all (R)'s are good and all (D)'s are bad.

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Originally posted by theback40:
I cant say Tucker is where I would go for the truth... about anything.

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Originally posted by Kensco:
You said it all when you said Tucker Carlson. I'm amazed you are still slurping his shit.

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Originally posted by ledvm:
You will throw the baby out with the bath water and I won’t.

You are a good example of how we end up with Biden as President.

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Originally posted by ledvm:
Nute,

Make no mistake…it was me.

George Floyd had high levels of fentanyl and meth in his system. He resisted arrest. He could have sat quietly in the car. He didn’t…his fault. There is no good autopsy evidence to suggest neck trauma caused asphyxiation which could lead to cardiopulmonary arrest. He had plenty of other good reasons flowing in blood to arrest. Just saying this conviction was NOT “beyond a shadow of a doubt.” It was won on sensationalism of a video. Based on what I know…I would not have voted to convict Chauvin.

Fauci: The thread wasn’t about him but…
The biochemistry of the RNA of SARS CoV-2 suggests a likely lab alteration. The virus has not been found (with extensive search) in nature. There is plenty of circumstantial evidence to suggest it was a lab leak from NIHS co-fundeded research in Wuhan. There is also a communication string now uncovered that shows Fauci himself was worried about this being the case early on. The communication string also shows intent to cover up this possibility.

Now it may be hyperbole to say Fauci conspired with China to create Covid. Albeit, likely that NIHS money did help create it. But…he DID conspire to cover-up “the real possibility” that the virus could be leaked from a lab in which he had connection.

Yes, I like Tucker Carlson and he does shed light on truths.

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Originally posted by nute:

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Originally posted by ledvm:
Nute,

Make no mistake…it was me.

George Floyd had high levels of fentanyl and meth in his system. He resisted arrest. He could have sat quietly in the car. He didn’t…his fault. There is no good autopsy evidence to suggest neck trauma caused asphyxiation which could lead to cardiopulmonary arrest. He had plenty of other good reasons flowing in blood to arrest. Just saying this conviction was NOT “beyond a shadow of a doubt.” It was won on sensationalism of a video. Based on what I know…I would not have voted to convict Chauvin.

Fauci: The thread wasn’t about him but…
The biochemistry of the RNA of SARS CoV-2 suggests a likely lab alteration. The virus has not been found (with extensive search) in nature. There is plenty of circumstantial evidence to suggest it was a lab leak from NIHS co-fundeded research in Wuhan. There is also a communication string now uncovered that shows Fauci himself was worried about this being the case early on. The communication string also shows intent to cover up this possibility.

Now it may be hyperbole to say Fauci conspired with China to create Covid. Albeit, likely that NIHS money did help create it. But…he DID conspire to cover-up “the real possibility” that the virus could be leaked from a lab in which he had connection.

Yes, I like Tucker Carlson and he does shed light on truths.

With respect, you are not a doctor. The one who undertook the autopsy stands by the conclusion of homicide, as do numerous others who are better qualified than either of us.

The video, which you thought was great, presents the cops conviction as a miscarriage of justice, that there was no homicide, and that there is some sort of conspiracy to cover up the facts. Its unsubstantiated rubbish. If there was any validity to the way that Mr Carlson presents it we can expect lawyers acting for the convicted cop to be getting his conviction overturned in short order ... but not won't happen.

The way i9n which it was presented in the interview is a long way beyond your comments above. Its cheap sensationalism with no greater journalistic validity than the daily mail Saeed loves so much.

Excusing outright lies as hyperbole rather than holding the speaker to account for the lies just enables the liar to continue to purvey such garbage.

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Originally posted by MJines:

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Originally posted by ledvm:
You will throw the baby out with the bath water and I won’t.

You are a good example of how we end up with Biden as President.

You like to talk about binary choices. In a binary choice between Trump and Biden, yes I will take Biden. As Carter proves, we can survive an incompetent president. A seditionist, not so much.

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Originally posted by nute:

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Originally posted by ledvm:
Nute,

Make no mistake…it was me.

George Floyd had high levels of fentanyl and meth in his system. He resisted arrest. He could have sat quietly in the car. He didn’t…his fault. There is no good autopsy evidence to suggest neck trauma caused asphyxiation which could lead to cardiopulmonary arrest. He had plenty of other good reasons flowing in blood to arrest. Just saying this conviction was NOT “beyond a shadow of a doubt.” It was won on sensationalism of a video. Based on what I know…I would not have voted to convict Chauvin.

Fauci: The thread wasn’t about him but…
The biochemistry of the RNA of SARS CoV-2 suggests a likely lab alteration. The virus has not been found (with extensive search) in nature. There is plenty of circumstantial evidence to suggest it was a lab leak from NIHS co-fundeded research in Wuhan. There is also a communication string now uncovered that shows Fauci himself was worried about this being the case early on. The communication string also shows intent to cover up this possibility.

Now it may be hyperbole to say Fauci conspired with China to create Covid. Albeit, likely that NIHS money did help create it. But…he DID conspire to cover-up “the real possibility” that the virus could be leaked from a lab in which he had connection.

Yes, I like Tucker Carlson and he does shed light on truths.

With respect, you are not a doctor.

I am not an MD but yes a doctor of veterinary medicine with a tremendous amount of pathological training across species INCLUDING humans. I am quite “qualified” to interpret pathological changes. I read the autopsy report and there were no clear cut changes indicating asphyxiation.

The one who undertook the autopsy stands by the conclusion of homicide, as do numerous others who are better qualified than either of us.

As well as there are those that don’t BECAUSE it was not clear cut and other plausible reasons were present.

The video, which you thought was great, presents the cops conviction as a miscarriage of justice,

It was in my estimation.

that there was no homicide,

Homicide is a broad term. George Floyd died because resisted arrest…vigorously. Technically, anyway you slice it…it is homicide. Personally, I don’t believe it was criminal homicide. Don’t want a cop to put you on the ground…don’t resist arrest. The video rightfully claims there weren’t clear cut lesions of asphyxiation.

and that there is some sort of conspiracy to cover up the facts.

It seems to me that there was. Just like there was with the cop that shot the Michael Brown kid before the evidence overwhelmingly proved him innocent. Chauvin’s case was a closer call but there is reasonable doubt present and documented plausible alternative causes. That should have kept him from conviction…beyond reasonable doubt.

Its unsubstantiated rubbish.

Your opinion. I see it otherwise.

If there was any validity to the way that Mr Carlson presents it we can expect lawyers acting for the convicted cop to be getting his conviction overturned in short order ... but not won't happen.

It very well may. Some of this new. But overturning convictions is a tough hill to climb without concrete proof like DNA or something.

The way i9n which it was presented in the interview is a long way beyond your comments above. Its cheap sensationalism with no greater journalistic validity than the daily mail Saeed loves so much.

Again your opinion. I don’t share it.

Excusing outright lies as hyperbole rather than holding the speaker to account for the lies just enables the liar to continue to purvey such garbage.

You lost me here.

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Originally posted by ledvm:
No sir, the cop was just doing his job.

You go subdue a large man who works as a bouncer who is high on meth and fentanyl and don’t hurt him. I sure as hell don’t want the job.

Don’t want a cop on your neck…stay in the cruiser where he first put you…pretty simple actually.

When Floyd came out of that cruiser…he forfeited most of his rights.

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Originally posted by ledvm:

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Originally posted by MJines:
That's another great example. Painting with labels. It is painting by number for simpletons. Just like all (R)'s are good and all (D)'s are bad.

Maybe some day Mike you will grasp the concept of reading for content. I know it is hard for some…but I am sure you can learn.

I have never stated what you wrote above.

The country runs on majorities…in case you haven’t got that one down yet.

The policy of the Democratic Party is not good. Almost nothing in it that I can agree with.

The GOP is also far from perfect. It is very flawed.

However, the general trend the GOP leads the country in IS far superior to that of the Democrats.

It takes the Executive Branch and a majority in Congress to lead the country.

Right now, again in case still haven’t been able to comprehend, elections are binary choices between R and D. I personally choose the party who trends with my desires. I don’t cut off my nose to spite my face. And age and experience have taught me that sometimes you have to take the bad with the good to get anything accomplished. Your mileage may vary.

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Originally posted by RolandtheHeadless:
So Lane is now disputing the verdict by a jury the cop's lawyer helped select?

On the basis of a Tucker Carlson video? I watched the video and know bullshit when I see it. Selective, biased reporting at best.

Lane, your disregard of what a jury had to say on the basis of some celebrity's video belies what you claim about your experience and expertise as a doctor and scientist. Go back to vet school!

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Originally posted by ledvm:
I like Tucker. It is a great interview. Very little talking by Tucker.

Kensco,
I was walking in the bed of the Little Wichita between Wichita Falls and Henrietta last Monday. I thought about you. Other times however…I wonder what planet you are from. This is one of those moments.

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Originally posted by LHeym500:
The issue not whether the “jury got it wrong” based on the subjectivity of which isle or table you set at.

The question is did the lawyers provide bad law on the jury instructions or did the judge admit inadmissible, inappropriate evidence/testimony.

The fact the jury rejected the theory of the case you are predisposed to agree with does not make the jury “wrong.”

You did not watch the trial, her any testimony, read any jury instructions, nor are you qualified to offer opinion that would be admissible concerning cause of death.

Juries can pick which experts to believe. You better be sweating it. That is bc no one should take a prosecution to trial that you would be surprised to lose. The point is to indict and try cases that meet s beyond reasonable doubt.

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Originally posted by ledvm:

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Originally posted by RolandtheHeadless:
So Lane is now disputing the verdict by a jury the cop's lawyer helped select?

On the basis of a Tucker Carlson video? I watched the video and know bullshit when I see it. Selective, biased reporting at best.

Lane, your disregard of what a jury had to say on the basis of some celebrity's video belies what you claim about your experience and expertise as a doctor and scientist. Go back to vet school!

While it is likely the best system possible…juries get it wrong not uncommonly. Most lawyers I know still sit on pins and needles for verdicts in the most cut-and-dry cases. Why? Because juries get it wrong…like with OJ.

I had disdain for that jury finding the minute they returned it. Derek Chauvin was doing his job and was sent to prison for it. A hard job. A job none of us want. None of us had to subdue a large violent man trained in fighting and high on meth and fentanyl.

The autopsy findings were equivocal…no concrete proof of asphyxiation…little to even suggest. Other plausible causes of cardiopulmonary arrest were present. The burden was not met. There is reasonable doubt as to whether Chauvin’s restraint asphyxiated Floyd.