I have watched him bend the knee to Senators from corn country. Especially, Sen. Corn Syrup, Grassley.

We want to talk about epidemics. Let us talk about obesity and related diseases, let us talk diabetes and children bring insulin dependent. We want to talk about the price of insulin. Let’s talk why so many people need insulin.

Let us talk about the cost Big Corn. is doing to our prairie conservation. Look up what at practices have done to pintail breeding habitat.

Let us talk about how corn subsidies have been self harming to the industry creating a flood of corn on the market which has deflated prices.

I am seriously disappointed in RFK Jr.

I would have been very proud of him had he highlighted the above to Sen SlCorm Syrup and told Sen Corn Syrup to go straddle a corn picker/harvester.

Overall, RFK Jr is holding his own other than the antidepressant issue and the Medicaid/Medicare issue. Folks do not care that he does not know the difference. Some just want them gone, so it does not matter.

He has played ball w who he needs to, much to my chagrin.

He is going over and nothing is going to change.

The Dems, even on the anti-depressants issue, are not doing a good job. They are not structuring questions. They are reading statements permitting RFK Jr room to reframe the quote. More importantly, the Dems are not looking like they are doing a good job.

Everything the Dems are doing is allowing RFK Jr to present too cozy relationship between Parma and the Government. This is partially bc the Dems are not asking well structured questions. The Dems are just talking allowing RFK Jr room to talk back.

All of them are, as usual, not really asking valid questions but making speeches. Kennedy is trying to dodge the "gotchas". Washington on display. Bill.

I’m surprised you could be disappointed with RFK jr given your previous statements about him.

He’s a Washington insider. He knows how the game is played. He’s playing it.

As to vaccines, antidepressants, and food issues; I’m not sure how much really can happen at the government level.

Put warnings on stuff, and make it easier to sue seems to be their limit.

I saw a whole lot of grandstanding speeches and state he and complex questions that idiots wanted yes or no answers to.

I really like the ideas he is throwing out there about American health, especially the problems children are having.

We need something to shake up the status quo.

The same old stuff we have been doing is not working.

Obesity is much worse, childhood diabetes is much worse. Biden did very good lowering the cost of insulin. Now,lets reduce the need for it!

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Originally posted by JTEX:
I saw a whole lot of grandstanding speeches and state he and complex questions that idiots wanted yes or no answers to.

I really like the ideas he is throwing out there about American health, especially the problems children are having.

We need something to shake up the status quo.

The same old stuff we have been doing is not working.

Obesity is much worse, childhood diabetes is much worse. Biden did very good lowering the cost of insulin. Now,lets reduce the need for it!

Jtex, you are right.

The Dems have not done a sufficient job at asking questions. What they have done is made statements from RFK jr partial statements. This has allowed RFK jr space to make his argument. RFK Jr may not be telling the truth when he makes his argument in response. I do not know. The point is he looks and sounds like he is. Folks watching this are going to believe him. His points are either valid if true, or convincing if not true. The inability of Dem Senators to ask question is permitting this.

I just wish RFK jr would reject the Corn lobby, but that is not going to happen. He played ball. He will be rewarded, and nothing will change.

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I really like the ideas he is throwing out there about American health, especially the problems children are having.

We need something to shake up the status quo.

The same old stuff we have been doing is not working.

Obesity is much worse, childhood diabetes is much worse. Biden did very good lowering the cost of insulin. Now, lets reduce the need for it!

Some of that may be true.

But I find it hard impossible to trust a nut to do anything but shake-up something, status quo or whatever. We already have evidence enough with the Exec orders re health agencies, grants and funding as to what's up.

After all, can flying monkeys be trusted.

"narcissists
When people discuss narcissists, they sometimes use the phrase 'flying monkeys. ' Flying monkeys refer to people who carry out the work of a narcissist or an abusive person, and it comes from The Wizard of Oz, in which the Wicked Witch of the West puts flying monkeys under her spell."

We're not talking about simply a narcissist, but those in service of a man combo narcissist, Machiavellian, psycho.

RFK Jr. is not autonomous. He will serve big pharma, and the dark triad, and his own squirrels in his head.

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Originally posted by Magine Enigam:

quote:

I really like the ideas he is throwing out there about American health, especially the problems children are having.

We need something to shake up the status quo.

The same old stuff we have been doing is not working.

Obesity is much worse, childhood diabetes is much worse. Biden did very good lowering the cost of insulin. Now, lets reduce the need for it!

Some of that may be true.

But I find it hard impossible to trust a nut to do anything but shake-up something, status quo or whatever. We already have evidence enough with the Exec orders re health agencies, grants and funding as to what's up.

After all, can flying monkeys be trusted.

"narcissists
When people discuss narcissists, they sometimes use the phrase 'flying monkeys. ' Flying monkeys refer to people who carry out the work of a narcissist or an abusive person, and it comes from The Wizard of Oz, in which the Wicked Witch of the West puts flying monkeys under her spell."

We're not talking about simply a narcissist, but those in service of a man combo narcissist, Machiavellian, psycho.

RFK Jr. is not autonomous. He will serve big pharma, and the dark triad, and his own squirrels.

You are a nut ME and I still trust you -- to catch a yellow cat.

If RFK Jr. does any good, for the general public - those he's supposed to be looking out for - it will be coincidental or perhaps accidental.

His first move ought to be to put a sign in central park: "No dumping road kill bears".

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I am disappointed in RFK Jr

I'm disappointed in the situation and factors that got us in this predicament.

RFK Jr. is not a means to a solution. He is a reflection of the problem, and actually a continuation.

He offers no path out of the rabbit hole, but instead deeper.

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If RFK Jr. does any good, for the general public - those he's supposed to be looking out for - it will be coincidental or perhaps accidental.

I think the word you want is "incidental."

Yea. I'll try to remember that.

I got distracted on a phone call and didn't re-read and edit.

BTW, that phone call gave me the best laugh of my day. I say laugh but it really isn't laughable.

I was talking to a rep at the office of my garbage pickup service and asking for an update since they texted me a few days ago of a weather delay. Snow.

They are two weeks late.

After some discussion and her looking on her computer for some notations to relay, she said she thought maybe tomorrow or Friday. She then said they had a shortage of drivers and those guys who load the containers. I joked - "so they deported some of your employees?"

She giggled and muttered and sorta laughed but didn't deny it. Then she said the same thing happened where her husband works. I considered that an acknowledgment. Then she said those who weren't deported went into hiding.

WOW

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Originally posted by crbutler:
I’m surprised you could be disappointed with RFK jr given your previous statements about him.

He’s a Washington insider. He knows how the game is played. He’s playing it.

As to vaccines, antidepressants, and food issues; I’m not sure how much really can happen at the government level.

Put warnings on stuff, and make it easier to sue seems to be their limit.

I completely reject f his position on vaccines. I consider that very dangerous. They won, trying to look at the best. He caved to big ag. I can only hope. My hope has been dashed.

It is also not my fault the Dems cannot structure a question which is making him look good. This and all confirmations are political. RFK jr is performing well at this political play. If he was out in a position to look incompetent, then his conformation may fail. That is not happening.

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Originally posted by Magine Enigam:
Yea. I'll try to remember that.

I got distracted on a phone call and didn't re-read and edit.

BTW, that phone call gave me the best laugh of my day. I say laugh but it really isn't laughable.

I was talking to a rep at the office of my garbage pickup service and asking for an update since they texted me a few days ago of a weather delay. Snow.

They are two weeks late.

After some discussion and her looking on her computer for some notations to relay, she said she thought maybe tomorrow or Friday. She then said they had a shortage of drivers and those guys who load the containers. I joked - "so they deported some of your employees?"

She giggled and muttered and sorta laughed but didn't deny it. Then she said the same thing happened where her husband works. I considered that an acknowledgment. Then she said those who weren't deported went into hiding.

WOW

They'll pick the low hanging fruit on the immigrants and after that each one will be harder to get.

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If he was out in a position to look incompetent, then his conformation may fail. That is not happening.

We know he's incompetent.

Everyone knows that.

That's why he was nominated in the first place and why he may be confirmed.

If competence, by the std meaning, was a foremost criterion for the job, except one or two, none of Trump's nominations would be acceptable.

Trump himself is incompetent for the (traditional) job he's elected for. So, what follows sorta makes sense.

However, Trump is competent for disruption

Today, when the cameras rolling and folks watching, the Dems look incompetent and RDK jr is looking competent.

The Sen from Colorado did a good job.

I agree with you regarding most vaccines.

To state they are not effective is a misstatement of fact.

How effective, and the risk benefit nature is a different discussion.

The political urge to force the Covid vac in has had a lot of ramifications here. Something that wasn’t proven was forced on a lot of people; by forced I’m not saying only government.

Now we have folks refusing known vaccines like tetanus and polio because the government overstepped and made a bunch of claims that they have no proof for. Employers brought in to the mandates and cause issues as well.

That made RFK Jr a person of standing to many.

I think he’s a crackpot, but there are lots of people in Washington (and more locally, St. Paul) that I feel are equally goofy as him in their own way.

I don’t entirely agree with his points on nutrition- but some of them are “sort of” right.

When I had a bit of pediatric practice, I noticed that by and large rural kids were healthier than urban/suburban. Why?

I have my thoughts, but they are not something I can put evidence based practices to.

RFK Jr becoming HHS secretary seems something that is purely political. His actions will be different because he’s kooky but will they be any more egregious than his predecessor and their tolerance of other politically motivated actions?

I don’t know. I don’t think he’s going to be able to remove high fructose corn syrup, not that I think that it is any worse than any other source of concentrated empty calories.

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Originally posted by LHeym500:

quote:

Originally posted by crbutler:
I’m surprised you could be disappointed with RFK jr given your previous statements about him.

He’s a Washington insider. He knows how the game is played. He’s playing it.

As to vaccines, antidepressants, and food issues; I’m not sure how much really can happen at the government level.

Put warnings on stuff, and make it easier to sue seems to be their limit.

I completely reject f his position on vaccines. I consider that very dangerous. They won, trying to look at the best. He caved to big ag. I can only hope. My hope has been dashed.

It is also not my fault the Dems cannot structure a question which is making him look good. This and all confirmations are political. RFK jr is performing well at this political play. If he was out in a position to look incompetent, then his conformation may fail. That is not happening.

I am not going to argue Covid vaccine w you.

It as a vaccine is fine. The requirement to be vaccinated is fine, just like the requirement for public interaction for other vaccines.

RFKjr is more dangerous.


He is getting confirmed. The Dems as a whole did a poor job showing him to be incompetent.

At least, I hoped he wound maintain his convictions concerning Big Ag.

Paris was worth the Mass.

RFK jr being confirmed as Sec of HHS was worth the corn syrup.

His position prior today was clear,”There is no safe and affective vaccine.” This is among other positions such as AIDS.

Yes, he is more dangerous.
Now, he appears to be a sellout.

Except until Covid, there were a lot of people who got away with claiming a religious exemption. We didn’t stop kids from going to school due to not being able to prove they had their shots…

Now, I agree that the military members who refused an order should have significant punishment. That’s different than say, Hornady insisting all its employees be vaccinated or be fired.

I’m not specifically sticking up for RFK Jr, but rather bemoaning the loss of public trust in medicine and in government because the politicians (both in government and in medicine) used their position inappropriately and it is damaging the country.

Having someone like RFK Jr in charge of CDC/NIH before Covid would never have happened. Now it’s looking likely.

Why?

It’s not DJT. It’s the reaction to the bad behavior. Unfortunately, with DJT, it’s likely to continue to ping-pong between bad behaviors between the parties.

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Originally posted by LHeym500:
I am not going to argue Covid vaccine w you.

It as a vaccine is fine. The requirement to be vaccinated is fine, just like the requirement for public interaction for other vaccines.

RFKjr is more dangerous.


He is getting confirmed. The Dems as a whole did a poor job showing him to be incompetent.

At least, I hoped he wound maintain his convictions concerning Big Ag.

Paris was worth the Mass.

RFK jr being confirmed as Sec of HHS was worth the corn syrup.

His position prior today was clear,”There is no safe and affective vaccine.” This is among other positions such as AIDS.

Yes, he is more dangerous.
Now, he appears to be a sellout.

Prior to covid, antivaxxers were 100% dems

To use your logic from another conversation, you knew all antivaxers prior to Covid.

I grant that the ones on tv that come to mind, I assure to be Dems.

I bet s few libertarians were prior to Covid.

Does not change antivax looks are united. Their champion is going over.

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Originally posted by LHeym500:
To use your logic from another conversation, you knew all antivaxers prior to Covid.

I grant that the ones on tv that come to mind, I assure to be Dems.

I bet s few libertarians were prior to Covid.

Does not change antivax looks are united. Their champion is going over.

The covid vax was/is, in comparison to all other vax, total garbage

I don't know; it made some people wealthier. It was ineffective at preventing a relatively innocuous disease, but it made some money. Regards, Bill.

Hell I’d confirm him just to not have to listen to him speak. If that’s what heroin or brain worms will do to you, that’s reason enough to avoid both. Painful to watch and listen to him regardless of his ridiculous views.

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Originally posted by crbutler:

I’m not specifically sticking up for RFK Jr, but rather bemoaning the loss of public trust in medicine and in government because the politicians (both in government and in medicine) used their position inappropriately and it is damaging the country.

Having someone like RFK Jr in charge of CDC/NIH before Covid would never have happened. Now it’s looking likely.

Why?

It’s not DJT. It’s the reaction to the bad behavior. Unfortunately, with DJT, it’s likely to continue to ping-pong between bad behaviors between the parties.

Yes, contributed to loss of public trust. I don't understand how you can deny that seriously.

Yes, the reaction is the bad behavior.

So, "Unfortunately, with DJT, it’s likely to continue to ping-pong between bad behaviors". That seems to contradict your claim that "It’s not DJT".

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Originally posted by ANTELOPEDUNDEE:

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Originally posted by Magine Enigam:
Yea. I'll try to remember that.

I got distracted on a phone call and didn't re-read and edit.

BTW, that phone call gave me the best laugh of my day. I say laugh but it really isn't laughable.

I was talking to a rep at the office of my garbage pickup service and asking for an update since they texted me a few days ago of a weather delay. Snow.

They are two weeks late.

After some discussion and her looking on her computer for some notations to relay, she said she thought maybe tomorrow or Friday. She then said they had a shortage of drivers and those guys who load the containers. I joked - "so they deported some of your employees?"

She giggled and muttered and sorta laughed but didn't deny it. Then she said the same thing happened where her husband works. I considered that an acknowledgment. Then she said those who weren't deported went into hiding.

WOW

They'll pick the low hanging fruit on the immigrants and after that each one will be harder to get.

If the government enforces employment laws......they won't need to be gotten!

quote:

Originally posted by JTEX:

quote:

Originally posted by ANTELOPEDUNDEE:

quote:

Originally posted by Magine Enigam:
Yea. I'll try to remember that.

I got distracted on a phone call and didn't re-read and edit.

BTW, that phone call gave me the best laugh of my day. I say laugh but it really isn't laughable.

I was talking to a rep at the office of my garbage pickup service and asking for an update since they texted me a few days ago of a weather delay. Snow.

They are two weeks late.

After some discussion and her looking on her computer for some notations to relay, she said she thought maybe tomorrow or Friday. She then said they had a shortage of drivers and those guys who load the containers. I joked - "so they deported some of your employees?"

She giggled and muttered and sorta laughed but didn't deny it. Then she said the same thing happened where her husband works. I considered that an acknowledgment. Then she said those who weren't deported went into hiding.

WOW

They'll pick the low hanging fruit on the immigrants and after that each one will be harder to get.

If the government enforces employment laws......they won't need to be gotten!

Maybe they should enforce employment and immigrations laws as to construction subcontractors who hire undocumented persons to perform construction work at virtually every single residential construction site in the State of Texas? And, against the GC's who knowingly subcontract the work out to folks who then subcontract it out to crews of undocumented workers. Because they work for $15 an hour. To maximize profits.

But, you know about that, right?

The democrats sure love all those unvaccinated illegals that where streaming across the border.....


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Originally posted by JTEX:
The democrats sure love all those unvaccinated illegals that where streaming across the border.....


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They must all be RFK supporters.

GOPers have had lots of opportunities to help pass bipartisan humanitarian immigration laws, and sufficient funding to administer.

They have that opportunity now.

Instead, they prefer to make it a political hot issue, demonize, foment hate, etc., and fund that.

It's the same with health care, insurance and costs. All they can do is make it worse.

Mangina????? We don't need any new immigration laws....we need to enforce the ones we have......

Looks like President Trump is taking a run at it!

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Originally posted by Mike Mitchell:

quote:

Originally posted by JTEX:
The democrats sure love all those unvaccinated illegals that where streaming across the border.....


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They must all be RFK supporters.

Well then one would think you libtards would love RFK.....


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quote:

Originally posted by JTEX:
The democrats sure love all those unvaccinated illegals that where streaming across the border.....


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How could they be streaming across the border when Trump had 4 years to shore it up?

[QUOTE]Originally posted by JTEX:
Mangina????? We don't need any new immigration laws....we need to enforce the ones we have......

Looks like President Trump is taking a run at it![/QUOTE

Funny, a person who comes here wo formal invention is only committing a Misdemeanor.

Those wo overstay a visa are not even committing a crime as deportation is a civil remedy.

If we do not need legislation, why are we playing whack a mole w executive orders based on who is president.

We need legislation that recognizes a legal status for long term migrants who do not commit crimes who work hard and otherwise want better.

I do not care if you disagree.

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Originally posted by Mike Mitchell:

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Originally posted by JTEX:

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Originally posted by ANTELOPEDUNDEE:

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Originally posted by Magine Enigam:
Yea. I'll try to remember that.

I got distracted on a phone call and didn't re-read and edit.

BTW, that phone call gave me the best laugh of my day. I say laugh but it really isn't laughable.

I was talking to a rep at the office of my garbage pickup service and asking for an update since they texted me a few days ago of a weather delay. Snow.

They are two weeks late.

After some discussion and her looking on her computer for some notations to relay, she said she thought maybe tomorrow or Friday. She then said they had a shortage of drivers and those guys who load the containers. I joked - "so they deported some of your employees?"

She giggled and muttered and sorta laughed but didn't deny it. Then she said the same thing happened where her husband works. I considered that an acknowledgment. Then she said those who weren't deported went into hiding.

WOW

They'll pick the low hanging fruit on the immigrants and after that each one will be harder to get.

If the government enforces employment laws......they won't need to be gotten!

Maybe they should enforce employment and immigrations laws as to construction subcontractors who hire undocumented persons to perform construction work at virtually every single residential construction site in the State of Texas? And, against the GC's who knowingly subcontract the work out to folks who then subcontract it out to crews of undocumented workers. Because they work for $15 an hour. To maximize profits.

But, you know about that, right?

They damned sure should lil mikey! All of the above!

And they should drop the hammer when they do!!!!!

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He looks like he has the shakes from the DTs or Parkinson's. Or he's easily angered.

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Originally posted by ANTELOPEDUNDEE:
He looks like he has the shakes from the DTs or Parkinson's. Or he's easily angered.

Wonder if he uses steroids....he has that "getting ready to explode" look. All jacked and red-faced.

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Originally posted by Mike Mitchell:

quote:

Originally posted by ANTELOPEDUNDEE:
He looks like he has the shakes from the DTs or Parkinson's. Or he's easily angered.

Wonder if he uses steroids....he has that "getting ready to explode" look. All jacked and red-faced.

He was a lifeling dem until 5 months ago..... and still got more votes to possibly be the dem candidate than quemala