10 March 2025, 02:30
HerrBergPay up or shut up
quote:Originally posted by jeffeosso:
two retired US Marines show up in Paris, France surrenders
french troops did not surrender at every battle/ our war Jeff ... educate yourself you will be surprised ...quote:Originally posted by jeffeosso:
wasn't a joke about our troops what a joke about france surrendering ...
quote:Originally posted by MJines:
. . . Milan, you are showing your old colors again.
quote:Originally posted by medved:french troops did not surrender at every battle/ our war Jeff ... educate yourself you will be surprised ...quote:Originally posted by jeffeosso:
wasn't a joke about our troops what a joke about france surrendering ...
quote:Originally posted by M.Shy:
We should put all frogs on CITES permits
quote:Originally posted by JTEX:
They need the money to build a new surrender flag factory in case we do pull,out of NATO!!!!!
quote:Originally posted by jeffeosso:quote:Originally posted by medved:french troops did not surrender at every battle/ our war Jeff ... educate yourself you will be surprised ...quote:Originally posted by jeffeosso:
wasn't a joke about our troops what a joke about france surrendering ...
sure.. so, in the last 125 years ....
quote:Originally posted by Steve Ahrenberg:quote:Originally posted by jeffeosso:quote:Originally posted by medved:french troops did not surrender at every battle/ our war Jeff ... educate yourself you will be surprised ...quote:Originally posted by jeffeosso:
wasn't a joke about our troops what a joke about france surrendering ...
sure.. so, in the last 125 years ....
"Rewriting history, one post at a time"
The obtuse America hating is off the charts in here.
quote:Originally posted by nute:quote:Originally posted by Steve Ahrenberg:quote:Originally posted by jeffeosso:quote:Originally posted by medved:french troops did not surrender at every battle/ our war Jeff ... educate yourself you will be surprised ...quote:Originally posted by jeffeosso:
wasn't a joke about our troops what a joke about france surrendering ...
sure.. so, in the last 125 years ....
"Rewriting history, one post at a time"
The obtuse America hating is off the charts in here.
I don't hate the US.
With the way your government is currently behaving toward others why does getting push back surprise you. Or is it only the US which is allowed to be insulting and condescending toward others?
I get that the Trump administration is playing to its audience with all the chest beating in front of the TV cameras, but is still pretty childish.
quote:Originally posted by Steve Ahrenberg:quote:Originally posted by nute:quote:Originally posted by Steve Ahrenberg:quote:Originally posted by jeffeosso:quote:Originally posted by medved:french troops did not surrender at every battle/ our war Jeff ... educate yourself you will be surprised ...quote:Originally posted by jeffeosso:
wasn't a joke about our troops what a joke about france surrendering ...
sure.. so, in the last 125 years ....
"Rewriting history, one post at a time"
The obtuse America hating is off the charts in here.
I don't hate the US.
With the way your government is currently behaving toward others why does getting push back surprise you. Or is it only the US which is allowed to be insulting and condescending toward others?
I get that the Trump administration is playing to its audience with all the chest beating in front of the TV cameras, but is still pretty childish.
I've repeatedly (and honestly)said, that I see Canadians as my Brothers. We are in the midst of a family quarrel. Most in here speak poorly of myself and others who are of a different opinion.
Once the family quarrel has ended, those bitter words remain. None of which have come from myself.
It's why when my wife and I disagree, I'll usually make my point and disarm the disagreement. My wife will normally take overnight to think it through and approach with a cooler head. If I engage in an argument at the time, the damage done is cumulative.
I maintain that Canada is one of our closest allies, regardless of the lack of NATO spending. The very same NATO that Trump is being accuses of not adhering to article 5, if it were to come to that.
One could objectively argue, why should America defend Canada if article 5 were invoked, since they have not honored their NATO commitment.
Brothers are Brothers, you defend your Brother to the death, no matter what.
quote:Originally posted by nute:quote:Originally posted by Steve Ahrenberg:quote:Originally posted by nute:quote:Originally posted by Steve Ahrenberg:quote:Originally posted by jeffeosso:quote:Originally posted by medved:french troops did not surrender at every battle/ our war Jeff ... educate yourself you will be surprised ...quote:Originally posted by jeffeosso:
wasn't a joke about our troops what a joke about france surrendering ...
sure.. so, in the last 125 years ....
"Rewriting history, one post at a time"
The obtuse America hating is off the charts in here.
I don't hate the US.
With the way your government is currently behaving toward others why does getting push back surprise you. Or is it only the US which is allowed to be insulting and condescending toward others?
I get that the Trump administration is playing to its audience with all the chest beating in front of the TV cameras, but is still pretty childish.
I've repeatedly (and honestly)said, that I see Canadians as my Brothers. We are in the midst of a family quarrel. Most in here speak poorly of myself and others who are of a different opinion.
Once the family quarrel has ended, those bitter words remain. None of which have come from myself.
It's why when my wife and I disagree, I'll usually make my point and disarm the disagreement. My wife will normally take overnight to think it through and approach with a cooler head. If I engage in an argument at the time, the damage done is cumulative.
I maintain that Canada is one of our closest allies, regardless of the lack of NATO spending. The very same NATO that Trump is being accuses of not adhering to article 5, if it were to come to that.
One could objectively argue, why should America defend Canada if article 5 were invoked, since they have not honored their NATO commitment.
Brothers are Brothers, you defend your Brother to the death, no matter what.
The same can be said of NATO allies, which the US has also insulted.
Musk was sounding off about how Ukraine would collapse if he shut off starlink access at which point Polands defence minister pointed out that Poland was paying Ukraines starlink bills, and if Musk shut it off they would have to find a different supplier.
Rubio in effect then said shut up and be grateful, and Musk called the Polish minister a "little man".
This chest beating for the US right wing media by US govt officials is pathetic. The beneficiary of this is Putin and China.
Trump has been in government for two and a bit months and has done more to damage NATO and other previously close relationships in that time than Putin has managed in his 20 or so years as Russian president.
quote:So let me get this straight. The "Guys on the other side" in here, repeatedly name-call (insult) guys on "my side", but those insults are fine, yet when Trump hurts NATO's feelings, all of a sudden, It's a problem?
quote:Originally posted by Steve Ahrenberg:quote:Originally posted by nute:quote:Originally posted by Steve Ahrenberg:quote:Originally posted by nute:quote:Originally posted by Steve Ahrenberg:quote:Originally posted by jeffeosso:quote:Originally posted by medved:french troops did not surrender at every battle/ our war Jeff ... educate yourself you will be surprised ...quote:Originally posted by jeffeosso:
wasn't a joke about our troops what a joke about france surrendering ...
sure.. so, in the last 125 years ....
"Rewriting history, one post at a time"
The obtuse America hating is off the charts in here.
I don't hate the US.
With the way your government is currently behaving toward others why does getting push back surprise you. Or is it only the US which is allowed to be insulting and condescending toward others?
I get that the Trump administration is playing to its audience with all the chest beating in front of the TV cameras, but is still pretty childish.
I've repeatedly (and honestly)said, that I see Canadians as my Brothers. We are in the midst of a family quarrel. Most in here speak poorly of myself and others who are of a different opinion.
Once the family quarrel has ended, those bitter words remain. None of which have come from myself.
It's why when my wife and I disagree, I'll usually make my point and disarm the disagreement. My wife will normally take overnight to think it through and approach with a cooler head. If I engage in an argument at the time, the damage done is cumulative.
I maintain that Canada is one of our closest allies, regardless of the lack of NATO spending. The very same NATO that Trump is being accuses of not adhering to article 5, if it were to come to that.
One could objectively argue, why should America defend Canada if article 5 were invoked, since they have not honored their NATO commitment.
Brothers are Brothers, you defend your Brother to the death, no matter what.
The same can be said of NATO allies, which the US has also insulted.
Musk was sounding off about how Ukraine would collapse if he shut off starlink access at which point Polands defence minister pointed out that Poland was paying Ukraines starlink bills, and if Musk shut it off they would have to find a different supplier.
Rubio in effect then said shut up and be grateful, and Musk called the Polish minister a "little man".
This chest beating for the US right wing media by US govt officials is pathetic. The beneficiary of this is Putin and China.
Trump has been in government for two and a bit months and has done more to damage NATO and other previously close relationships in that time than Putin has managed in his 20 or so years as Russian president.
So let me get this straight. The "Guys on the other side" in here, repeatedly name-call (insult) guys on "my side", but those insults are fine, yet when Trump hurts NATO's feelings, all of a sudden, It's a problem?
I can't keep up.
quote:Originally posted by Steve Ahrenberg:quote:Originally posted by nute:quote:Originally posted by Steve Ahrenberg:quote:Originally posted by jeffeosso:quote:Originally posted by medved:french troops did not surrender at every battle/ our war Jeff ... educate yourself you will be surprised ...quote:Originally posted by jeffeosso:
wasn't a joke about our troops what a joke about france surrendering ...
sure.. so, in the last 125 years ....
"Rewriting history, one post at a time"
The obtuse America hating is off the charts in here.
I don't hate the US.
With the way your government is currently behaving toward others why does getting push back surprise you. Or is it only the US which is allowed to be insulting and condescending toward others?
I get that the Trump administration is playing to its audience with all the chest beating in front of the TV cameras, but is still pretty childish.
I've repeatedly (and honestly)said, that I see Canadians as my Brothers. We are in the midst of a family quarrel. Most in here speak poorly of myself and others who are of a different opinion.
Once the family quarrel has ended, those bitter words remain. None of which have come from myself.
It's why when my wife and I disagree, I'll usually make my point and disarm the disagreement. My wife will normally take overnight to think it through and approach with a cooler head. If I engage in an argument at the time, the damage done is cumulative.
I maintain that Canada is one of our closest allies, regardless of the lack of NATO spending. The very same NATO that Trump is being accuses of not adhering to article 5, if it were to come to that.
One could objectively argue, why should America defend Canada if article 5 were invoked, since they have not honored their NATO commitment.
Brothers are Brothers, you defend your Brother to the death, no matter what.
quote:Originally posted by Steve Ahrenberg:quote:Originally posted by jeffeosso:quote:Originally posted by medved:french troops did not surrender at every battle/ our war Jeff ... educate yourself you will be surprised ...quote:Originally posted by jeffeosso:
wasn't a joke about our troops what a joke about france surrendering ...
sure.. so, in the last 125 years ....
"Rewriting history, one post at a time"
The obtuse America hating is off the charts in here.
quote:Canada is one of just eight NATO members out of 32 not meeting the two per cent benchmark first agreed to in 2014. It spent 1.37 per cent of its GDP on defence last year, or $41 billion, according to government projections.
quote:OTTAWA, Oct 30 (Reuters) - Canada would have to double current defense spending by fiscal 2032-33 to achieve its stated goal of meeting NATO targets, an increase that could violate fiscal anchors put in place last year to control expenditures, a parliamentary watchdog said on Wednesday.
quote:Originally posted by JTEX:quote:Canada is one of just eight NATO members out of 32 not meeting the two per cent benchmark first agreed to in 2014. It spent 1.37 per cent of its GDP on defence last year, or $41 billion, according to government projections.
But they expect uncle Sam to protect em.....and are upset WE aren't sending more to the ewecrane?
Seems like they are the ally you can't count on....or trust.....
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quote:One could objectively argue, why should America defend Canada if article 5 were invoked, since they have not honored their NATO commitment.
quote:Originally posted by JTEX:quote:One could objectively argue, why should America defend Canada if article 5 were invoked, since they have not honored their NATO commitment.
And tarrifed the hell out of our dairy products while they welched on their commitment.........
quote:Originally posted by crbutler:
Well, if Poland is paying the Starlink bill, I guess Elon has no complaints, although as I recall he did do a bunch of acts to help Ukraine via Starlink before anyone else came to the table (giving them priority and sending a bunch of units free) so his reaction may be one of Ukrainian ingratitude bugging him.
It does bother me that with all the money and effort the US spent helping Ukraine, that we are pissing away all of our international credit because Trump wants public adulation.
Whatever happened to public praise and keeping disagreements private?
Trump and Ukraine apparently are in agreement with a ceasefire.
Let’s see if Putin is agreeable to that.
quote:Originally posted by Steve Ahrenberg:quote:Originally posted by nute:quote:Originally posted by Steve Ahrenberg:quote:Originally posted by nute:quote:Originally posted by Steve Ahrenberg:quote:Originally posted by jeffeosso:quote:Originally posted by medved:french troops did not surrender at every battle/ our war Jeff ... educate yourself you will be surprised ...quote:Originally posted by jeffeosso:
wasn't a joke about our troops what a joke about france surrendering ...
sure.. so, in the last 125 years ....
"Rewriting history, one post at a time"
The obtuse America hating is off the charts in here.
I don't hate the US.
With the way your government is currently behaving toward others why does getting push back surprise you. Or is it only the US which is allowed to be insulting and condescending toward others?
I get that the Trump administration is playing to its audience with all the chest beating in front of the TV cameras, but is still pretty childish.
I've repeatedly (and honestly)said, that I see Canadians as my Brothers. We are in the midst of a family quarrel. Most in here speak poorly of myself and others who are of a different opinion.
Once the family quarrel has ended, those bitter words remain. None of which have come from myself.
It's why when my wife and I disagree, I'll usually make my point and disarm the disagreement. My wife will normally take overnight to think it through and approach with a cooler head. If I engage in an argument at the time, the damage done is cumulative.
I maintain that Canada is one of our closest allies, regardless of the lack of NATO spending. The very same NATO that Trump is being accuses of not adhering to article 5, if it were to come to that.
One could objectively argue, why should America defend Canada if article 5 were invoked, since they have not honored their NATO commitment.
Brothers are Brothers, you defend your Brother to the death, no matter what.
The same can be said of NATO allies, which the US has also insulted.
Musk was sounding off about how Ukraine would collapse if he shut off starlink access at which point Polands defence minister pointed out that Poland was paying Ukraines starlink bills, and if Musk shut it off they would have to find a different supplier.
Rubio in effect then said shut up and be grateful, and Musk called the Polish minister a "little man".
This chest beating for the US right wing media by US govt officials is pathetic. The beneficiary of this is Putin and China.
Trump has been in government for two and a bit months and has done more to damage NATO and other previously close relationships in that time than Putin has managed in his 20 or so years as Russian president.
So let me get this straight. The "Guys on the other side" in here, repeatedly name-call (insult) guys on "my side", but those insults are fine, yet when Trump hurts NATO's feelings, all of a sudden, It's a problem?
I can't keep up.