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Originally posted by Steve Ahrenberg:
Jeff -

Are you disputing any of those links?

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Originally posted by Steve Ahrenberg:
Jeff -

Are you disputing any of those links?

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Originally posted by Mike Mitchell:

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Originally posted by Steve Ahrenberg:
Jeff -

Are you disputing any of those links?

You're touting the stat that 17% of black voters support trump?

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Originally posted by crbutler:
Steve,

While I agree it is interesting and if it holds true, it is meaningful, I have rather strong doubts that the media is accurately reporting much of anything here. There is too much money to be made for them by stirring controversy and having the tail wag the dog.

I’m hardly unique in saying I won’t vote for Trump, and I won’t vote for Biden. I get the folks that want me to recognize that Biden is bad, and Trump is the alternative… but I also get what the other side is saying about how awful Trump is. Not the “mean tweets” crap, but the continual lying, his hypocrisy, his narcissism and so on.

While I think they are rather hypocritical in their using that to support Biden, my vote is my conscience and I have decided this is the year I let the Conservative Party know that just their policy statements aren’t enough. If “we” are the side of normal American values, we can’t be playing wholesale Machiavellian ends justify the means games.

Unlike the political system, I think the republic is strong and whoever is president isn’t going to permanently damage the nation. The “this is the last chance” crap is just that, crap.

I’m hoping that both parties learn from this and clean up their acts… I have my doubts because too many make too much money with the system as is.

Note that the democrats have shown that the party can override the primary voters (HRC vs Bernie) and the GOP has shown that rabid elements can dominate primaries… yet it’s the GOP that’s against democracy and the democrats are the ones we should support…

I do think it’s funny that our resident lefties claim the epoch times is a cult owned propaganda machine, yet tell us that various nutty cult types should be listened to.

I’m paying much more attention to the down ballot items this year than I have in the past.

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Originally posted by Steve Ahrenberg:

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Originally posted by crbutler:
Steve,

While I agree it is interesting and if it holds true, it is meaningful, I have rather strong doubts that the media is accurately reporting much of anything here. There is too much money to be made for them by stirring controversy and having the tail wag the dog.

I’m hardly unique in saying I won’t vote for Trump, and I won’t vote for Biden. I get the folks that want me to recognize that Biden is bad, and Trump is the alternative… but I also get what the other side is saying about how awful Trump is. Not the “mean tweets” crap, but the continual lying, his hypocrisy, his narcissism and so on.

While I think they are rather hypocritical in their using that to support Biden, my vote is my conscience and I have decided this is the year I let the Conservative Party know that just their policy statements aren’t enough. If “we” are the side of normal American values, we can’t be playing wholesale Machiavellian ends justify the means games.

Unlike the political system, I think the republic is strong and whoever is president isn’t going to permanently damage the nation. The “this is the last chance” crap is just that, crap.

I’m hoping that both parties learn from this and clean up their acts… I have my doubts because too many make too much money with the system as is.

Note that the democrats have shown that the party can override the primary voters (HRC vs Bernie) and the GOP has shown that rabid elements can dominate primaries… yet it’s the GOP that’s against democracy and the democrats are the ones we should support…

I do think it’s funny that our resident lefties claim the epoch times is a cult owned propaganda machine, yet tell us that various nutty cult types should be listened to.

I’m paying much more attention to the down ballot items this year than I have in the past.

Dr. Butler -

I agree with much of your Trump assessment. I too find him morally bankrupt and to be a reprobate.

However, I find myself to be a one issue voter this go around, immigration. Or rather "The Southern Invasion".

Our country simply cannot continue to allow what is happening and the associated secrets about it. cash cards, endless hotel rooms, complete with meals, Now, a liberal judge somewhere has decided they too have the right to bear arms. They ARE GOING TO VOTE. We have all seen it. Once the ballots are run through the tabulators, have you ever seen them get disqualified? Nope. They will come up with some excuse as they always have. CAll me a nut now, but lets review this about Thanksgiving and you'll see and it will be too late. But, you got rid of the guy that you don't like because hes a narcissist and lies, as they all do.


The America we all know will not look the same in 10 years. English might just be one of several official languages, the streets will decay, the social safety net will collapse under its own weight.

Have you seen the Chinese are building a bridge across the Darien Gap? ask yourself why? or just, why now?

There are immigrant camps so large they would take your breath away. I'm looking for an image I saw yesterday. Why?

So, being a one issue voter this election, I have a binary choice, A or B. A means more of the same, which America will NEVER recover from. B, means Trump and all that goes with it, and THAT we CAN recover from.

Sitting on your hands or a third party write in Scrub, is essentially accepting what will come.

Good luck. If you lived where I do, you'd make the same choice. (probably)

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Originally posted by RolandtheHeadless:
It's the Republicans who are bad on immigration. They voted down an immigration bill that would have addressed many of the immigration issues.

Without offering an alternative.

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Originally posted by RolandtheHeadless:
It's the Republicans who are bad on immigration. They voted down an immigration bill that would have addressed many of the immigration issues.

Without offering an alternative.

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Originally posted by Steve Ahrenberg:
More of this, or less?

https://www.ice.gov/news/relea...-homicide-or-assault

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Originally posted by Steve Ahrenberg:
More of this, or less?

https://www.wptv.com/news/palm...la.,County%20Sheriff's%20Office%20said%20Tuesday.

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Originally posted by RolandtheHeadless:

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Originally posted by Steve Ahrenberg:
More of this, or less?

https://www.ice.gov/news/relea...-homicide-or-assault

Why don't you compare crime rates of citizens versus non-citizens?

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Originally posted by Steve Ahrenberg:

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Originally posted by RolandtheHeadless:

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Originally posted by Steve Ahrenberg:
More of this, or less?

https://www.ice.gov/news/relea...-homicide-or-assault

Why don't you compare crime rates of citizens versus non-citizens?

Let me re-phrase that...

Compare crime within the borders of America, by American citizens, on American citizens, as opposed to crimes committed on Americans by illegal entry criminals, allowed in by the President of the United States.

Comparing the two is nothing but a straw-man argument. Keeping Americans safe is one of the POTUS's jobs. You think Lakin Riley would be dead had Bidens border policies not allowed him in?

The left always cries after a gun tragedy, "If it only saves one life" yet Lakin Riley is THAT one life that could have been saved.