The bottom line: The calculation method used for this round of tariffs implies they won't be negotiated away quickly or easily.

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Originally posted by LHeym500:
The bottom line: The calculation method used for this round of tariffs implies they won't be negotiated away quickly or easily.

trumps followers of the cult of the supreme leader still believe it is a method of negociating ... when you are turning the back of the whole world what do you think will happen ... you will deal only with russia, belarus, cuba and north korea ... that might look a little harder than they thought and all the world will be impacted of course and that is including your own country ...

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Originally posted by Kensco:
https://www.axios.com/2025/04/...firefox-newtab-en-us

That's a good article.

Here's a video which I think says the same thing:

https://youtube.com/shorts/KmV...?si=fetZMlugX1djAf2o

Trump’s tariff equation doesn’t add up

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https://www.businessinsider.co...l&utm_content=topbar

Trump's top trade adviser is mocking China after it called him out for making up a fake expert to bash its economy

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https://www.dailykos.com/stori...ake-expert-economist
The entire tariff Executive Order is based on bogus numbers and a fake expert economist


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On top of this silliness, Indonesia does not impose that 64% tariff on us to start with---but never one to let the truth get in the way of the lies, Trump declared that we are halving this made-up 64% tariff and charging them 32% because we are being nicer to them than are to us. Again, super silly explanation with no logical, explainable mathematical basis for any of it.
Here's what Larry Summers, former Treasury Secretary under Bill Clinton and then later, he worked in the White House for Barack Obama, had to say about this tariff “stuff.” And, as he is an economist I'd take to the bank what he said here in a tweet (oops, an X), and put on screen by Rachel Maddow last night:
................"Then, these computed reciprocal tariffs" have been calculated "without using any tariff data."
He would go on to say,
"This is to economy what creationism is to biology, astrology is to astronomy, or RFK's thoughts are to vaccine science."

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And in case you've been wondering, as I have, where in the world he got the idea that tariffs were the best thing since sliced bread? Never mind had he taken the time to read up on the history he'd have learned that they were in fact disastrous for our country, particularly The Smoot Hawley Tariffs leveled in 1930. According to both economists and historians literally across the ideological spectrum, they were largely responsible for driving us deeper and faster into the Great Depression.

Again, hold onto your hat. The idea that they were great came from his son-in-law, Jared Kushner, whom he had tasked with finding some "hook" to use to win on the economy in his 2016 presidential run. The genius Kushner, tongue-in-cheek, searched for books by economists. On Amazon. And came up with this one, by Peter Navarro: Death by China.

Navarro is to be polite, a wanna-be economist with a penchant for shall we say, either lying or stretching the truth.

Oh, and the expert Navarro says influenced him that tariffs were the absolute right way to go? A guy named Ron Vara. And this is what he told Trump. He had a terrific expert. Top notch. The best.

The problem? There is no Ron Vara. This is simply as Rachel Maddow explained, an anagram of Navarro.

Crazy math based on nothing, lies about actual tariffs, the influence of a guy who is himself around the bend and makes up a fake expert when in fact he is the "expert." What could possibly go wrong?

Oh wait, the stock market is tanking. Our allies think we suck and are now telling us they are going to go it alone. The American people are going to get it in the financial neck to the tune of thousands of dollars annually. We are likely headed not merely to a recession but an actual depression. And all of it is based on the craziness I've laid out here.

Broken record here, but that's okay: Facts matter. Reality matters. Truth matters. And now I have a headache I have to get under control so I can head to the rally in my town by noon.

The math was all bullshit!

Just like everything that comes from THE MAGA ARSEHOLES mouth!

The 'M' tetrad

Math, Method, Motive and Madness.

We know the math is BS.

So, is there a method (goal) to Trump's madness?

I think it's a big mistake to presume that Trump's shtick is not method, motive and madness.

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shtick
/SHtik/
noun informal
noun: schtick
a gimmick, comic routine, style of performance, etc. associated with a particular person.

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Consider this an intro to what I'm talking about:

https://youtube.com/shorts/ESV...?si=JVxBGvHF9HRZXmU0

Fareed Zakaria's blunt assessment of Trump's tariff impacts

More explanation:

https://youtube.com/shorts/CBa...?si=zDBvh-R3TXSEkbL1

Why Trump Really Wants Tariffs

Robert Reich:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Reich

https://youtube.com/shorts/YEX...?si=m-aSudfjaNGOfvq4

The effects of Trump's tariffs

Richard Wolff:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...d_D._Wolff#Reception

Still, the MAGA Minions here rushed to defend the math..........crickets.....crickets.......not!

Even they recognize that they have been duped. Must be a real sad feeling.

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Must be a real sad feeling.

Here's what's sad.

Even if they somehow realize they are dupes, they will rationalize it claiming in hindsight it's still better than the alternative choice.

That's the rabbit hole - no escape.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/mone...fb17c5346f7a84&ei=10

Trump voters are pretending like they were duped. Don't believe it.

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As I’m watching this unfold, I can’t help thinking about something that may seem unrelated to trade, economics and the harms coming our way, but in fact is central to it all. I’m talking about resentment.

Resentment is usually associated with the right. Time and again, over the last ten years, we were told that the people who voted for Donald Trump are deeply resentful about the state of the nation: about immigrants pouring over the border, about men competing in women’s sports, about the “radical woke agenda.” The list goes on and on.

It was on the strength of this resentment that voters in this country chose for president a convicted felon and failed businessman who promised to hurt everyone in the name of making America great again.

And what I want to say this:

If you thought that was resentment, just wait.

Only five months ago, the head economist for Moody’s said the economy under Joe Biden was the best he’d seen. Mark Zandi said “this is among the best performing economies in my 35-plus years as an economist.”

(Read the article - there's a lot more)

Blame it on George Soros and Obama / Biden

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Originally posted by Magine Enigam:

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Must be a real sad feeling.

Here's what's sad.

Even if they somehow realize they are dupes, they will rationalize it claiming in hindsight it's still better than the alternative choice.

That's the rabbit hole - no escape.

"Only five months ago, the head economist for Moody’s said the economy under Joe Biden was the best he’d seen. Mark Zandi said “this is among the best performing economies in my 35-plus years as an economist.” "

Oh, the horror that was Bidenomics!! Lets replace that shit with a trumpcession. It'll be bigly, the biggest you've ever seen!

Let's not forget that if GOPers in congress, collectively, really wanted to end Trump's BS they could do so rather quickly.

They could veto proof it too.

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https://youtu.be/Ihqym_-QL9U?si=Oy0pJ1H5j1ysCmo2

Trump would veto bipartisan Senate bill curbing his tariff power, White House says

https://youtu.be/cWNtwwN8taE?si=bz61Yl1I9H-6y23c

Nicolle Wallace on Trump: ‘They are looking for the hostage taker to find a dignity saving off ramp’

Trump's tariff guys are doing open heart surgery with a double-bitted axe. And it's dull, to boot.

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Originally posted by Magine Enigam:
Let's not forget that if GOPers in congress, collectively, really wanted to end Trump's BS they could do so rather quickly.

They could veto proof it too.

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https://youtu.be/Ihqym_-QL9U?si=Oy0pJ1H5j1ysCmo2

Trump would veto bipartisan Senate bill curbing his tariff power, White House says

https://youtu.be/cWNtwwN8taE?si=bz61Yl1I9H-6y23c

Nicolle Wallace on Trump: ‘They are looking for the hostage taker to find a dignity saving off ramp’

They are afraid of what his MAGGOTS will do to them if they fuck with the Orange Master! Just ask the 2 gals who sued Giuliani and won.

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Just ask the 2 gals who sued Giuliani and won.

I looked that up:

https://19thnews.org/2023/08/r...-freeman-shaye-moss/

Rudy Giuliani is liable for defaming Georgia election workers, judge rules
The defamation suit from Ruby Freeman and Wandrea “Shaye” Moss highlighted the often gendered and racialized nature of threats against election workers, who are predominantly women.

Published August 30, 2023, 12:57 p.m. ET
Updated August 30, 2023, 1:30 p.m. ET

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“What we went through after the 2020 election was a living nightmare,” Freeman and Moss said in a Wednesday statement following Howell’s ruling. “Rudy Giuliani helped unleash a wave of hatred and threats we never could have imagined. It cost us our sense of security and our freedom to go about our lives. Nothing can restore all we lost, but today’s ruling is yet another neutral finding that has confirmed what we have known all along: that there was never any truth to any of the accusations about us and that we did nothing wrong.”

https://www.atlantanewsfirst.c...ty-election-workers/

Rudy Giuliani has ‘fully satisfied’ $148M defamation judgment awarded to former Fulton County election workers

On Thursday, Jan. 16, Giuliani reached a deal with the former election workers, Ruby Freeman and her daughter, Wandrea “Shaye” Moss, that allowed him keep his homes and belongings, including prized World Series rings, in exchange for unspecified compensation and a promise to never again speak ill of Freeman and Moss.

The Monday filings did not disclose the amount of compensation for the plaintiffs.

https://www.palmbeachdailynews...h-condo/77772262007/

Rudy Giuliani will keep Palm Beach condo after settlement with Georgia election workers

The women, Ruby Freeman and Shaye Moss, sued Giuliani and won a $148 million judgment in 2023 after he falsely said the pair stuffed ballot boxes during the 2020 election, when Giuliani was acting as an attorney for President-elect Donald Trump in the months following his campaign loss. In a suit filed in federal court, Freeman and Moss have been trying to collect on that judgment.

Freeman and Moss on Thursday reached a settlement agreement with Giuliani that allows the Trump confidant to keep his Palm Beach condo and all of his possessions, while preventing the case from moving to what could have been a lengthy and costly trial while also earning Freeman and Moss a promise from Giuliani that he will not defame them.

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We will never know how much the lawyers were paid.

The Axe is also badly infected!

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Originally posted by TomP:
Trump's tariff guys are doing open heart surgery with a double-bitted axe. And it's dull, to boot .