Who Needs Those Fired FAA People?

19 February 2025, 23:28

quote:
A crash has occurred at Marana Regional Airport, 11700 W. Avra Valley Road, Wednesday morning, KGUN 9 has confirmed with airport personnel.

According to a social media post by Marana Police Department, one person is confirmed dead. MPD refers to the crash as an "aircraft collision."

KGUN 9's Blake Phillips has learned from the Town of Marana that this was a plane crash. The FAA and NTSB are investigating, Marana spokespeople say.

Link

19 February 2025, 23:45

JudgeG

Were they VFR or IFR, in controlled airspace or not? A total of 400 of the 45,000 FAA employees have been released, not one a controller is my understanding

https://www.maranaaz.gov/Departments/Airport
Here’s a partial answer. The airfield has no tower.
TDS is so sad.

20 February 2025, 01:30

Jefffive

quote:
Originally posted by JudgeG:
Were they VFR or IFR, in controlled airspace or not? A total of 400 of the 45,000 FAA employees have been released, not one a controller is my understanding

https://www.maranaaz.gov/Departments/Airport
Here’s a partial answer. The airfield has no tower.
TDS is so sad.

When the FAA was fully-staffed, Pete was the Secretary of Transportation and there had been no intrusions into the computer systems by people with vastly more experience coding video games than government service, planes weren't colliding and landing upside down and crashing multiple times a week.

Perhaps it's coincidence, or perhaps the Easter Bunny has a hard-on for aviation all of a sudden and is swatting planes out of the air, or maybe, just maybe, like paying $44 billion for Twitter when it was valued at $10,000,000,000, Elon Musk has no idea what he's doing.

20 February 2025, 01:50

jeffeosso

quote:
Originally posted by Jefffive:
quote:
Originally posted by JudgeG:
Were they VFR or IFR, in controlled airspace or not? A total of 400 of the 45,000 FAA employees have been released, not one a controller is my understanding

https://www.maranaaz.gov/Departments/Airport
Here’s a partial answer. The airfield has no tower.
TDS is so sad.

When the FAA was fully-staffed, Pete was the Secretary of Transportation and there had been no intrusions into the computer systems by people with vastly more experience coding video games than government service, planes weren't colliding and landing upside down and crashing multiple times a week.

Perhaps it's coincidence, or perhaps the Easter Bunny has a hard-on for aviation all of a sudden and is swatting planes out of the air, or maybe, just maybe, like paying $44 billion for Twitter when it was valued at $10,000,000,000, Elon Musk has no idea what he's doing.

Except the atc has been short staffed for decades... sigh, when you actually hit something factual we'll be surprised. You might read up on it, and the lowering of the bar under which presidents. This is just as idiotic as your 400million cybertruck fumbduckery

How many flight hours do you have, SARGE? Me, just a bit under 200 VFR hours, in every type of airport, except military.. from private strip on a farm to landing at IAH.. my home field is tower controlled, but the 30odd fields in the area aren't.

You stating the atc was fully staffed under pothole pet is an utter lie

Oh, and zero atc have been removed in the last month...

Do you wear a bib while frothing at the mouth and sky screaming...

Facts
Math
Nuance
Vocabulary
Reading comprehension
Logic

Well, perfect scores, F's across the board

I bet you blame trump for the Toronto crash too

20 February 2025, 01:56

JudgeG

TDS, of course, only allows two conclusions:
Whatever the hell is happening,
1. It’s bad if Trump breathed in that direction and
2. It’s all Trump’s fault.

BTW, you TDS sufferers should read the below:
More aviation crashes under Biden in first weeks

https://www.yahoo.com/news/mor...rumps-194251902.html

20 February 2025, 02:06

Steve Ahrenberg

quote:
Originally posted by Jefffive:
quote:
Originally posted by JudgeG:
Were they VFR or IFR, in controlled airspace or not? A total of 400 of the 45,000 FAA employees have been released, not one a controller is my understanding

https://www.maranaaz.gov/Departments/Airport
Here’s a partial answer. The airfield has no tower.
TDS is so sad.

When the FAA was fully-staffed, Pete was the Secretary of Transportation and there had been no intrusions into the computer systems by people with vastly more experience coding video games than government service, planes weren't colliding and landing upside down and crashing multiple times a week.

Perhaps it's coincidence, or perhaps the Easter Bunny has a hard-on for aviation all of a sudden and is swatting planes out of the air, or maybe, just maybe, like paying $44 billion for Twitter when it was valued at $10,000,000,000, Elon Musk has no idea what he's doing.

Perhaps gather your facts before making broad accusations.

You also do realize the Toronto crash wasn't being controlled by the FAA. Marana is uncontrolled. Too many PPL practice TnG's with no tower.

Go to 4:00 mark

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=35hO7X36GQY

20 February 2025, 02:12

Jefffive

quote:
Originally posted by JudgeG:
TDS, of course, only allows two conclusions:
Whatever the hell is happening,
1. It’s bad if Trump breathed in that direction and
2. It’s all Trump’s fault.

BTW, you TDS sufferers should read the below:
More aviation crashes under Biden in first weeks

https://www.yahoo.com/news/mor...rumps-194251902.html

You overlooked that more than 3 times as many died in just one of Trump's crashes than all ten of Biden's, and Trump hasn't been in office but 2 1/2 weeks, he's on pace to catch up in crash numbers with far more lives lost.

And Biden didn't make drastic changes without knowing what he was doing.

20 February 2025, 02:15

Steve Ahrenberg

quote:
Originally posted by Jefffive:
quote:
Originally posted by JudgeG:
TDS, of course, only allows two conclusions:
Whatever the hell is happening,
1. It’s bad if Trump breathed in that direction and
2. It’s all Trump’s fault.

BTW, you TDS sufferers should read the below:
More aviation crashes under Biden in first weeks

https://www.yahoo.com/news/mor...rumps-194251902.html

You overlooked that more than 3 times as many died in just one of Trump's crashes than all ten of Biden's, and Trump hasn't been in office but 2 1/2 weeks, he's on pace to catch up in crash numbers with far more lives lost.

And Biden didn't make drastic changes without knowing what he was doing.

You do realize, the military chopper pilot ignored the order to get in behind the jet, right?

You fail to understand that even the CEO of a major airline has given Trumps FAA high marks? He also says the 400 cuts have zero effect on safety.

20 February 2025, 02:18

jeffeosso

quote:
Originally posted by Jefffive:
, and Trump hasn't been in office but 2 1/2 weeks, .

And you blame him for a chronically short staffed tower AND seagoing collisions

Ah, well, it's the first factual thing you have said since 11/5/24, kleagle

20 February 2025, 02:20

jeffeosso

Steve
You might need to explain TnG for him... and why we like doing it at uncontrolled fields

20 February 2025, 02:25

Steve Ahrenberg

quote:
Originally posted by jeffeosso:
Steve
You might need to explain TnG for him... and why we like doing it at uncontrolled fields

"Tonic and Gins"

20 February 2025, 02:45

JudgeG

Are you truly unaware that most probably neither Biden nor Trump had anything to do with any of the recent crashes. Or am I right that facts don’t matter and you are just hellbent and programmed to blame Trump for every-damn-thing from bird shit on your windshield to two Army pilot most likely having their eyeballs up and locked.

You’re using up joy with hate. You can oppose Trump as a reasonable person. Defaulting to hate just isn’t healthy.

quote:
Originally posted by Jefffive:
quote:
Originally posted by JudgeG:
TDS, of course, only allows two conclusions:
Whatever the hell is happening,
1. It’s bad if Trump breathed in that direction and
2. It’s all Trump’s fault.

BTW, you TDS sufferers should read the below:
More aviation crashes under Biden in first weeks

https://www.yahoo.com/news/mor...rumps-194251902.html

You overlooked that more than 3 times as many died in just one of Trump's crashes than all ten of Biden's, and Trump hasn't been in office but 2 1/2 weeks, he's on pace to catch up in crash numbers with far more lives lost.

And Biden didn't make drastic changes without knowing what he was doing.

20 February 2025, 03:18

Jefffive

quote:
Originally posted by JudgeG:
Are you truly unaware that most probably neither Biden nor Trump had anything to do with any of the recent crashes. Or am I right that facts don’t matter and you are just hellbent and programmed to blame Trump for every-damn-thing from bird shit on your windshield to two Army pilot most likely having their eyeballs up and locked.

You’re using up joy with hate. You can oppose Trump as a reasonable person. Defaulting to hate just isn’t healthy.

quote:
Originally posted by Jefffive:
quote:
Originally posted by JudgeG:
TDS, of course, only allows two conclusions:
Whatever the hell is happening,
1. It’s bad if Trump breathed in that direction and
2. It’s all Trump’s fault.

BTW, you TDS sufferers should read the below:
More aviation crashes under Biden in first weeks

https://www.yahoo.com/news/mor...rumps-194251902.html

You overlooked that more than 3 times as many died in just one of Trump's crashes than all ten of Biden's, and Trump hasn't been in office but 2 1/2 weeks, he's on pace to catch up in crash numbers with far more lives lost.

And Biden didn't make drastic changes without knowing what he was doing.

- 1/20: Trump guts the FAA
- 1/22: Trump disbands the Aviation Security Advisory Committee, declares he has ended DEI and restored “excellence and safety” in air travel

- 1/23: Plane crashes in Columbia, California
- 1/29: First commercial plane crash in 16 years over Washington, DC, 67 people die
- 1/31: Plane crashes in Philadelphia
- 2/1: Plane crashes near Ennis, Texas
- 2/5: Japan Airlines plane strikes Delta flight on runway in Seattle
- 2/5: Plane crashes in Arkansas
- 2/6: Bering Air flight disappears over Alaska with 10 people on board, later found dead
- 2/10: Plane crashes in Scottsdale, AZ
- 2/12: Military fighter jet crashes into San Diego Bay
- 2/15: Trump fires hundreds of FAA employees
- 2/15: Plane crashes in Flagler County, Florida
- 2/15: Plane crashes in Covington, GA
- 2/16: Two planes crash in Texas
- 2/17: Plane departing from Minnesota crashes in Toronto
- 2/19: Two planes crash in Marana, Arizona

20 February 2025, 04:02

TomP

quote:
Originally posted by jeffeosso:
Steve
You might need to explain TnG for him... and why we like doing it at uncontrolled fields

Head on swivel, as I was told...

20 February 2025, 04:05

jeffeosso

quote:
Originally posted by Jefffive:
quote:
Originally posted by JudgeG:
Are you truly unaware that most probably neither Biden nor Trump had anything to do with any of the recent crashes. Or am I right that facts don’t matter and you are just hellbent and programmed to blame Trump for every-damn-thing from bird shit on your windshield to two Army pilot most likely having their eyeballs up and locked.

You’re using up joy with hate. You can oppose Trump as a reasonable person. Defaulting to hate just isn’t healthy.

quote:
Originally posted by Jefffive:
quote:
Originally posted by JudgeG:
TDS, of course, only allows two conclusions:
Whatever the hell is happening,
1. It’s bad if Trump breathed in that direction and
2. It’s all Trump’s fault.

BTW, you TDS sufferers should read the below:
More aviation crashes under Biden in first weeks

https://www.yahoo.com/news/mor...rumps-194251902.html

You overlooked that more than 3 times as many died in just one of Trump's crashes than all ten of Biden's, and Trump hasn't been in office but 2 1/2 weeks, he's on pace to catch up in crash numbers with far more lives lost.

And Biden didn't make drastic changes without knowing what he was doing.

- 1/20: Trump guts the FAA
- 1/22: Trump disbands the Aviation Security Advisory Committee, declares he has ended DEI and restored “excellence and safety” in air travel

- 1/23: Plane crashes in Columbia, California
- 1/29: First commercial plane crash in 16 years over Washington, DC, 67 people die
- 1/31: Plane crashes in Philadelphia
- 2/1: Plane crashes near Ennis, Texas
- 2/5: Japan Airlines plane strikes Delta flight on runway in Seattle
- 2/5: Plane crashes in Arkansas
- 2/6: Bering Air flight disappears over Alaska with 10 people on board, later found dead
- 2/10: Plane crashes in Scottsdale, AZ
- 2/12: Military fighter jet crashes into San Diego Bay
- 2/15: Trump fires hundreds of FAA employees
- 2/15: Plane crashes in Flagler County, Florida
- 2/15: Plane crashes in Covington, GA
- 2/16: Two planes crash in Texas
- 2/17: Plane departing from Minnesota crashes in Toronto
- 2/19: Two planes crash in Marana, Arizona

Why you gonna call out the steaming pile that pothole pete left...

You did forget to mention that not a single atc was let go and they have been short staffed for years...

and you included Toronto.. you are aware that Toronto isn't under American atc control, right?

Perfect marks, again. What a streak

20 February 2025, 04:20

JudgeG

“Throughout the year (2024), 1,415 aviation accidents were reported, including 257 fatal incidents. Of the 179 fatal incidents that Newsweek obtained records of, there were 306 reported deaths. The deadliest incident was a Pilatus aircraft crash in Recluse, Wyoming, which killed six of the seven people on board, including the pilot.”

I’m sure you can make those 1,415 accidents Trump’s fault.

One more time. 45,000 FAA employees. 400 probational employees terminated. Not one was a controller. No “buy out” was offered qualified controllers to discourage early retirement.

BTW, I have a commercial, multi-engine, instrument land and sea rating with several thousand hours. I qualified as NATOPS officer and post-maintenance test pilot.
I also qualified and taught as an instructor in the Navy’s Radar Intercept school and also taught airborne navigation there.

I’m not speculating with bitterness.