https://www.washingtontimes.co...ice-data-shows-over/

With more than 250k just roaming around the US. Stats from ICE

There was no timeline that I saw. This is a failure of years in the making.

Surprises me to see you pushing this bullshit nativist hate speech. All the studies show that immigrants commit crimes at a far lower rate than American citizens. Not surprising...they want to avoid encounters with law enforcement.

Depicting immigrants as criminals is a time-honored republican tradition but it just doesn't hold water if you look at the studies. And, again...I don't expect you to. You probably stand the best chance of winning the immigration debate by lying and depicting all these folks as....what did trump call them the first time he descended from his gilded staircase? Rapists, drug smugglers, murderers...etc. But, like pretty much every thing that trump and the republicans say about immigration is a lie.

The reality is that most just want to work and that's why they come to the US. Because they can get better jobs, make more money and take care of their families. That's why we should attack them, denigrate them, lie about them, etc? Right? So, trump can get everybody spun up about an imaginary problem that helps him get elected based on racism, hatred and intolerance. I'll never understand Republicans.

But...you carry on.

And here is another ad nauseum repeat to you migrant haters:

Want to stop it? Force employers to run checks. US companies gladly hire these workers because they keep costs down. They will work for lower wages. They come here because they know they can get jobs because they will work for lower wages than Americans.

But, there is zero enforcement of migrant worker laws at the employer level.

I wonder why that is? Any republicans want to respond? Let me help: lower wages for employers = higher profits.

And, while we're talking about it: lower wages = cheaper products for Americans.

It's not complicated.

And Trump got Republicans to scuttle James Lankford's Immigration Reform bill because reducing illegal border crossings would "help the other side".

Who is the "other side"? If immigrants are such a threat to the American People doesn't that make the American People the "other side"

So Trump is willing to allow the harm he claims immigrants impose for political advantage?

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Originally posted by Jefffive:
And Trump got Republicans to scuttle James Lankford's Immigration Reform bill because reducing illegal border crossings would "help the other side".

Who is the "other side"? If immigrants are such a threat to the American People doesn't that make the American People the "other side"

So Trump is willing to allow the harm he claims immigrants impose for political advantage?

Yeah, Lankford is that crazy liberal from Oklahoma, right?

535 career criminals are residing in Washington DC.

Paid for by the People!

Crickets….. It must be so tiresome defending the orange Jesus and his “policies”, especially when they are generally indefensible… Border security? I could have sworn there was a bill in Congress 6 months ago, approved by Democrats AND Republicans senators to do just that. Seem to recall that orange Jesus ordered Johnson to scuttle it. Of course the TX TRUMPITEERS know how bad it was even though their Republican senators thought otherwise. Pure genius,eh??

The bill earlier this year allowed 8,500 illegals per day.

Mike, cute stat.. yes, legal migrants do les crime, as they can and will be deported. All illegals are here illegally.


Even quemala says it's a problem... yall need to check your daily talking pints

What about the ones they don’t tell you about?

American politicians are heads and shoulders above others in lying to their people!

No wonder.

They are ruling a bunch of ignorant sheep!

So happy in glorifying their PARTY!

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Originally posted by jeffeosso:
The bill earlier this year allowed 8,500 illegals per day.

Mike, cute stat.. yes, legal migrants do les crime, as they can and will be deported. All illegals are here illegally.


Even quemala says it's a problem... yall need to check your daily talking pints

Wrong. Both documented and undocumented workers commit less property, violent and victimless crimes (drugs, prostitutionl, etc.) than US citizens.

There is no constituency for reducing immigration except for borderland ranchers.
Democrats hope for new citizens voting their way, Republicans hope to hire them for cheap.
Illegal immigration can be calculated out of existence by raising legal quotas.
Not in the cards...

I dont understand Mike. You never show concern or caring for US citizens raped and/or murdered by illegals. But always defend the illegals? If vetted properly, the bad ones would not be let in, as best the data available would show.

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Originally posted by Mike Mitchell:

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Originally posted by jeffeosso:
The bill earlier this year allowed 8,500 illegals per day.

Mike, cute stat.. yes, legal migrants do les crime, as they can and will be deported. All illegals are here illegally.


Even quemala says it's a problem... yall need to check your daily talking pints

Wrong. Both documented and undocumented workers commit less property, violent and victimless crimes (drugs, prostitutionl, etc.) than US citizens.

Technically, someone whom over stays a formal invitation to be here like a visa is not committing a crime by overstaying. Deportation in that matter is a civil remedy. By Fed law no crime has been committed. This, the person is not committing a crime.

Likewise, a person who enters the country w no legal right to enter the country commits a misdemeanor. I have provided these federal laws before.

Is border crossings a problem? Yes.
Should the Senate be partisan bill that could survive filibuster and veto have been passed? Yes.
Have GOP been complaining about the border since President Obama and done nothing even w Congressional majorities and a Trump president? Yes.

Will this take a legislative solution? Yes.

Will that solution require compromise? Yes.

I look for things to make sense.
The dems/libs say, ban guns. If it saves one life it's worth it.
The same people say let them all in, let them all stay. There are murderers and rapists in there too.
The libs say, you cant blame the innocent ones for the crimes of a few. Yet they have no problem saying take the guns away from the responsible gun owners to get at the few.
There is no common sense to the way people rationalize things.
I would think Heym would know, a misdemeanor is still a crime. Stealing $999.00 may be a misdemeanor, but is still wrong and should not be allowed.

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Originally posted by Mike Mitchell:

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Originally posted by jeffeosso:
The bill earlier this year allowed 8,500 illegals per day.

Mike, cute stat.. yes, legal migrants do les crime, as they can and will be deported. All illegals are here illegally.


Even quemala says it's a problem... yall need to check your daily talking pints

Wrong. Both documented and undocumented workers commit less property, violent and victimless crimes (drugs, prostitutionl, etc.) than US citizens.

Ask Lane about that. Maybe he could hire the ones who come here to work to clean up the place and send the bill to the government.

That is a point too.
Why does the property owner take the loss for the gov not doing their job?
One fellow who had his garage burned down from illegals building a fire inside, was told, "not their problem" when he wanted compensation from BP.

Blah blah blah. Facts
https://www.foxnews.com/politi...e-times-va-officials

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Originally posted by theback40:
I look for things to make sense.
The dems/libs say, ban guns. If it saves one life it's worth it.
The same people say let them all in, let them all stay. There are murderers and rapists in there too.
The libs say, you cant blame the innocent ones for the crimes of a few. Yet they have no problem saying take the guns away from the responsible gun owners to get at the few.
There is no common sense to the way people rationalize things.
I would think Heym would know, a misdemeanor is still a crime. Stealing $999.00 may be a misdemeanor, but is still wrong and should not be allowed.

We are not mass incarcerating people for misdemeanor any where in the U.S.

Likewise, most are not committing a crime. Victims of human trafficking have a special visa process that is imperfect to remain in the U.S. upon contact w Feds.

Again, overstaying a visa is not a crime.

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The dems/libs say, ban guns. If it saves one life it's worth it.

No, they don’t. Stop with the bullshit.

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The same people say let them all in, let them all stay

No they don’t. Stop with the bullshit. Trump nuked the bipartisan bill to address the border issue. Stop fucking lying.

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There is no common sense

in one word out of your tragically brainwashed cult addled mind.

So, you libbies are good with 250k felons running loose in the us..

https://www.washingtontimes.co...ult-convicts-60000-/


By Stephen Dinan
The Washington Times
Friday, September 27, 2024

The Department of Homeland Security knows of at least 660,000 illegal immigrants at large in the U.S. with criminal records, including 13,000 convicted killers, nearly 16,000 convicted of sexual assault and 56,000 involved with dangerous drugs.

Thousands of other migrants have been charged but not yet convicted of those and other crimes.

They are part of U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement’s “non-detained docket,” a list of more than 7 million illegal immigrants that ICE is supposed to be monitoring as they roam free in the U.S.
...

ICE said that as of July 21, 435,719 migrants on its docket had criminal convictions, and 26,847 have unresolved criminal charges.

That included 13,099 people convicted of homicide and 1,845 charged with homicide.

It also included 6,567 migrants convicted of obstructing the police; 10,031 convicted of robbery; 15,811 convicted of sexual assault; 13,423 convicted of weapons offenses; 56,533 convicted of involvement with dangerous drugs; 62,231 convicted of assault; 2,521 convicted of kidnapping; and 792 convicted of arson.

Jessica Vaughan, policy studies director at the Center for Immigration Studies, who has been tracking the data over the years, said the latest numbers mark a substantial increase compared with the last decade.

She said it’s a result of the Biden administration’s weakening of interior immigration enforcement.

“Most deportations that happen from the interior are criminals, so when you cut the number of deportations from the interior​, you’re allowing criminals to stay here,” she said.
...

...some of the serious criminals at large in the U.S. are likely due to the Supreme Court’s 2001 ruling in the Zadvydas case that imposed a limit on how long migrants can be held in immigration detention. The justices ruled that if deportation doesn’t seem likely, a migrant couldn’t be held indefinitely.

Countries such as China and Cuba are notoriously bad at cooperating in taking back their criminal migrants, meaning that ICE often has to release those criminals.

It must be terrible to live every day in fear of women who will walk 1,000 miles through jungles and deserts to get a better life for the children they carry the whole way.

Dickweed, you dont live here, and listen to these libs. Biden himself when running, said, come on in, we welcome you. You are a liar.
Where Heym, did I mention over staying a visa? Nowhere, I said coming in illegally. Why do you have to make shit up?
jeffi, it has fuckall to do with fear. It is not my job to support them. The burden falls on taxpayers. We already send money to the countries to help them. Cut off all $$ to them, and use it here if they dont control their own borders and let them through.

For those that want to hear Biden himself.
Pull up the Dem debates, moderated by Jorge Ramos.
Biden says " I would in fact make sure that there is immediately a surge to the border"
I live on the Canadian border. See canadians all the time. Rest assured people, they are not all the lying assholes, dickweed is.

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Originally posted by Jefffive:
It must be terrible to live every day in fear of women who will walk 1,000 miles through jungles and deserts to get a better life for the children they carry the whole way.

Thanks for the kleagle report from peckerwood county.

Can we get back to facts, like 250k violent and dangerous criminals released from. Ice custody... not knitting Nellie's views on mother's.

Hey, piasan, there is likely no mother's on this list. Es claro, tonto?

Guys let us step back and look at this from a global view.

Both things can be true.

It could be true that immigrants, illegal and legal engage in less crime per capita than US citizens.

Assuming that statement is true, Jeff can be correct that an extra 250k folks have gotten across the border who engaged in violent crime that should not be here to engage in that crime.


The fact most are not engaging in violent crime does not mean we have to permit access to those people who some percentage is going to engage in violent crime. Violent crime that otherwise would not have happened.

The question I have, is it per capita or total numbers. I would not be surprised to learn that of a couple million illegals there are fewer who committed serious crimes than the total out of 350 million citizens. Even on a per capita basis, we have cities full of hood rats who commit a lot of crimes. Of course, some of them are illegals; so, there is that. Bill

I do not know.

Hence, why I framed the issue as postice to the argument as possible.

So, Jeffe, what do you think the administration should now do about all the criminal migrants loose in the US?

You can point the finger of blame, or come up with a solution. Your choice.

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Originally posted by Jefffive:
It must be terrible to live every day in fear of women who will walk 1,000 miles through jungles and deserts to get a better life for the children they carry the whole way.

So would that be the 250# ones with fresh clean clothes and fully charged cell phones I see on the news? Is that the one who just walked 1000 miles through the desert and jungle?

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Originally posted by Tumbleweed:

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The dems/libs say, ban guns. If it saves one life it's worth it.

No, they don’t. Stop with the bullsh!t.

actually, they do say this, ALL THE TIME and for decades - what you are attempting to do is called gaslighting.. just like dems NOW saying defund the police is a GOP action and TRUMP failed to send in the National Guards to stop the floyd riots

oh, opps, another unbroken string of sex offenders
https://www.foxnews.com/us/nan...ther-truly-scares-me

What should we do about these illegals+criminals? I think the existing law is clear, and should be enforced -- deportation and banning from the US - with the consequences already written .. in fact, there's nothing missing but the will-at-the-top to enforce the laws.

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Originally posted by Gundog 64:

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Originally posted by Jefffive:
It must be terrible to live every day in fear of women who will walk 1,000 miles through jungles and deserts to get a better life for the children they carry the whole way.

So would that be the 250# ones with fresh clean clothes and fully charged cell phones I see on the news? Is that the one who just walked 1000 miles through the desert and jungle?

next to ZERO people walked through the Darien gap,
10s of thousands have had fully sherpa'ed televised and supported journeys to the US --

the "walking through the desert" (without a horse with no name) is on the US side of the border -- it's called a CHOICE...
sigh, why present facts to fifi, as the kleagle will declare how things are in peckerwood county, and not pay one single instant of attention to the actual problem

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Originally posted by LHeym500:

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Originally posted by theback40:
I look for things to make sense.
The dems/libs say, ban guns. If it saves one life it's worth it.
The same people say let them all in, let them all stay. There are murderers and rapists in there too.
The libs say, you cant blame the innocent ones for the crimes of a few. Yet they have no problem saying take the guns away from the responsible gun owners to get at the few.
There is no common sense to the way people rationalize things.
I would think Heym would know, a misdemeanor is still a crime. Stealing $999.00 may be a misdemeanor, but is still wrong and should not be allowed.

We are not mass incarcerating people for misdemeanor any where in the U.S.

Likewise, most are not committing a crime. Victims of human trafficking have a special visa process that is imperfect to remain in the U.S. upon contact w Feds.

Again, overstaying a visa is not a crime.

I have not yet seen a breakout of how many of our illegal immigrant "criminals" are criminals by US law vs crimes in their countries of origin.

In some places, just being a homosexual is a capital crime, but not here.
In many of those same places, disagreeing with the government is a crime, but not here (yet).

Tom,
The list is in The link. Here is a snippet

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also included 6,567 migrants convicted of obstructing the police; 10,031 convicted of robbery; 15,811 convicted of sexual assault; 13,423 convicted of weapons offenses; 56,533 convicted of involvement with dangerous drugs; 62,231 convicted of assault; 2,521 convicted of kidnapping; and 792 convicted of arson.

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Originally posted by jeffeosso:
So, you libbies are good with 250k felons running loose in the us..

Stop lying. Those numbers spanned several decades and pretty much all those felons are or were incarcerated in federal prisons.

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Originally posted by wymple:

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Originally posted by jeffeosso:
So, you libbies are good with 250k felons running loose in the us..

Stop lying. Those numbers spanned several decades and pretty much all those felons are or were incarcerated in federal prisons.

Cool story. Too bas for America you are dead wrong.. as usual