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https://www.msn.com/en-us/news...46ff87a54febefcfcca5 ************* Real conservatives aren't radicalized. Thus "radicalized conservative" is an oxymoron. Yet there are many radicalized republicans. "When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross." - Sinclair Lewis Per my far-right friend: "reality sucks" D.J. Trump aka Trumpism's Founding Farter, aka Farter Martyr. Qualifications: flatulence - mental, oral and anal. | ||
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We, " need" a redirection of our priorities. This is insane. A first grader shooting their teacher. I was idly looking around on my phone this evening, According to this DOJ paper, https://www.ojp.gov/ncjrs/virt...xico-gang-assessment there may be as many as 300k drug cartel members in central America/ Mexico. And in the USA, https://nationalgangcenter.ojp...ent-of-gang-problems Shy of a million members. But hey! Ukraine matters right?!?!?! | |||
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It is time for a National Law that requires parents to take responsible precautions to secure firearms or face criminal charges when minors kill or injure with parents’ firearm. Do we know this very young minor is in a gang? The reporting I hear is the child has no gang affliction, but had a prior issue with the teacher. BBC reports the teacher is stable. | |||
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Laws are pointless! EDUCATION! In humanity! Something you lot in America lack! No family values. | |||
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Role models, ambition, parental guidance and engagement, child acknowledgement. Do not plan on having children unless you are up to the task of developing them to be self sufficient, good parents and an asset to society. Saeed it it is a culture issue that is lacking.
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Obviously, we do not agree on mass being pointless. | |||
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What is wrong with the state law for this? Full automatic weapons are governed by federal law and we have a problem with Glock "switches" in the Twin Cities. How many prosecutions on this? How the blue blazes is yet another law, that will just increase workloads on the federal courts (if they even bother, ask LEO's about how often they get firearms prosecutions when they find a restricted item). Its already illegal in most, if not all states for you to allow your firearm to be acquired by a minor. How does more law do a damn thing? Your point would only be to make the law more onerous for everyone else, and a percentage would still disobey it. Typical leftist feel good knee jerk response. Something bad happens, we need more laws... despite it already being illegal. It was already illegal for them to let the kid have the gun. It was already illegal for the kid to take it to school. It was also illegal to shoot the teacher. Three strikes already... is the fourth going to miraculously cure this? Are you advocating for a children's prison for this group of kids doing crap? That's about all that isn't already done.
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Because states will not pass it. I was not ignoring you. I just hit back in from Duck/goose hunting. Nothing to report. He is so young, in KY he could not even be charged with a “crime.” Thomas v. Commonwealth, 189 S.W.2d 686 (Ky. 1945) A child below age 7 is incapable of committing a crime and there is a presumptive incapacity (incapable of having the intent to commit a crime) between the ages of seven & fourteen which may be overcome by evidence. Between 8-14, you can try to rebut the presumption. If he was 12, he could be transferred to Circuit Court as a Youthful Offender, indicted by the Grand Jury and tried as an adult would with some sentencing restrictions. That does not mean he cannot be processed, through Juvenile Court but the focus is not on punishment. The max time in secured juvenile detention is 90 days. No, he is not going to kiddie jail as KY and Virginia are usually alike. This is why when the Sheriff wax interviewed he spoke of what services the child could be offered, and not punishment. He is too young to charge w a “crime.” It is not illegal for parents to keep their firearms unsecured across the US. No, there is no, you csnnot charge and sentence this minor to a crime because he is so young he is under incapacity. The parents will be held civilly responsible (tort). They need to be held criminally responsible. Pass the law. In conclusion, as required by case law, he is not going to be charged with a crime and sent for any significant length of time to a secured detention. He is too young. The law will not allow it. | |||
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I think my point was obvious; the links are easy examples of America looking in the wrong direction. | |||
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by LHeym500: It is not illegal for parents to keep their firearms unsecured across the US. No, there is no, you csnnot charge and sentence this minor to a crime because he is so young he is under incapacity. It is in Colorado. https://giffords.org/lawcenter...storage-in-colorado/ | |||
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Also in CA. Vote Trump- Putin’s best friend… To quote a former AND CURRENT Trumpiteer - DUMP TRUMP | |||
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Yep. I bought a wall of lockers to secure any of my modern rifles and pistols. They have to be locked up and lockers are a much more affordable option to gun safes. For the one handgun or home defense firearm you better have one of those quick access safe boxes or owning a firearm for home defense which isn't locked up makes you a criminal yourself! Makes sense to our idiot lawmakers and Governor... | |||
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Pass a federal law for something this rare are you nuts. Plus it would violate the 2nd amendment We don't need a law every time something bad happens. The kid broke many laws and you think another is going to help right | |||
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Not sure what to say about this. Like I'm guessing 100 percent of the folks that read this board, I keep a firearm in a bedside table for security reasons. When my kids were young, I would secure it in the safe when I got up or it went with me to work or wherever I was headed. Not because I thought my kids would shoot a teacher with it but because I was afraid they'd hurt themselves with it. But, it never would have occurred to me that one of my kids, at the age of 6, would grab the gun and take it to school. Boggles the mind. The parents should be subject to criminal prosecution in my opinion. And, as others have posted, in Texas, and I think most or all other states, parents are liable both criminally and in civil court for allowing their children to have access to firearms if they get a hold of the gun and hurt or kill somebody with it. More laws won't prevent this. But, it makes the politicians feel better about getting re-elected if it looks like they are trying to do something to prevent events like this one. -Every damn thing is your own fault if you are any good. | |||
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No one is saying Gov csnnot keep a gun by the bed stand or a shot mignonette Uber the bed. However, you better secure it when not around, so children cannot sneak off with it. Kids who shot others and themselves do not get guns off the “street.” They get them from home. | |||
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This case has nothing to do with fangs. The links are irrelevant. The minor got upset with his teacher, took a handgun from home, and shot his teacher. We know the teacher is alive. Hopefully, a full recovery will come. Even the NRA during President Trump’s term was doing a, “ I am a cop. I did not secure my firearm in the home, and my child used my handgun to commit Suicide. So, responsibly secure tire firearms” campaign. | |||
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As shocking as this should be, as an elementary school teacher, I am not surprised. I currently teach 8 year olds, but I have taught all ages from preschool through high school. We have "messed-up" kids at every level, but the worse ones tend to get flagged and dealt with(hopefully) by the time they are "old enough" to do real damage. Obviously this 6 year old advanced for his age(ha?). Flagging a psycho student and dealing with them is something that many school districts are failing to do consistently. Part of the reason that they fail to identify troubled students is the fact that there often isn't much that they can do due to lack of funding/resources/alternative settings. So those kids stay in school and teachers are left to deal with them. Jason "You're not hard-core, unless you live hard-core." _______________________ Hunting in Africa is an adventure. The number of variables involved preclude the possibility of a perfect hunt. Some problems will arise. How you decide to handle them will determine how much you enjoy your hunt. Just tell yourself, "it's all part of the adventure." Remember, if Robert Ruark had gotten upset every time problems with Harry Selby's flat bed truck delayed the safari, Horn of the Hunter would have read like an indictment of Selby. But Ruark rolled with the punches, poured some gin, and enjoyed the adventure. -Jason Brown | |||
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At 6 I used to take my grandad 22 rim fire rifle and shoot birds on the beach. He used to give me one round at a time. And I better bring something or I don’t get another that day! Our rifles and shotguns were leaning against the wall. Accessible to anyone, any time. Not in one’s wildest dreams would one think of shooting anyone! | |||
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Saeed, You were blessed with great role models. Sadly many of my students are not so blessed. Many of their parents do not have their lives together enough to own a pet, much less raise a child. Jason "You're not hard-core, unless you live hard-core." _______________________ Hunting in Africa is an adventure. The number of variables involved preclude the possibility of a perfect hunt. Some problems will arise. How you decide to handle them will determine how much you enjoy your hunt. Just tell yourself, "it's all part of the adventure." Remember, if Robert Ruark had gotten upset every time problems with Harry Selby's flat bed truck delayed the safari, Horn of the Hunter would have read like an indictment of Selby. But Ruark rolled with the punches, poured some gin, and enjoyed the adventure. -Jason Brown | |||
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Wow. That's an amazing contrast of life experiences and reality, past and present. When I was in high school, it was a common sight to see pickup trucks in the parking lot with guns of various types (not ARs BTW) in plain view in gun racks behind the seat. There was never an incident, as I recall, of theft or other mischief. It was "normal" back then and hereabouts. That's hard to fathom nowadays. JBrown, I know that you live and work in a unique place/environment, but even far out there it's the same as practically everywhere. I don't understand the change, and certainly don't approve, and have no idea how to fix it. BTW, lately I've changed my wardrobe to accommodate concealed carry. It's tricky because I like to wear suspenders. Do you know how to make a S&W 5 shot snub 38 spl +P into 10 shot? Answer: carry two. ************* Real conservatives aren't radicalized. Thus "radicalized conservative" is an oxymoron. Yet there are many radicalized republicans. "When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross." - Sinclair Lewis Per my far-right friend: "reality sucks" D.J. Trump aka Trumpism's Founding Farter, aka Farter Martyr. Qualifications: flatulence - mental, oral and anal. | |||
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I just looked up the Virginia Statute). It is almost word for word like KY’s. This minor is too young to be charged with a crime and tried. See below. https://law.lis.virginia.gov/v.../chapter11/article7/ He is so young even in juvenile court, this child cannot be disposed to the Department of Juvenile Justice nor confinement in Juve Court Only a juvenile who is (i) adjudicated as a delinquent of an act enumerated in subsection B or C of § 16.1-269.1 and is 11 years of age or older or (ii) 14 years of age or older may be committed to the Department of Juvenile Justice. • The court determines that: Office of the Executive Secretary Commit the juvenile to an appropriate state institution if the mental competency examination indicates that a juvenile is mentally ill or intellectually disabled. Place the juvenile in a secure local facility, pursuant to Va. Code § 16.1-284.1: Confinement only for up to thirty days inclusive of time served in a detention home or other secure facility if the juvenile: is at least fourteen years old Va. Code § 16.1-284.1 No, Dr. Butler the law does not allow what you assume for this young person. | |||
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I used to take my 410 shotgun to school. And leave it with a box of ammo behind the classroom door. So I can shoot birds on the way home. Imagine even talking about doing that today! They will send you to a mental hospital!  | |||
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Why was it not crazy then, but is now? ************* Real conservatives aren't radicalized. Thus "radicalized conservative" is an oxymoron. Yet there are many radicalized republicans. "When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross." - Sinclair Lewis Per my far-right friend: "reality sucks" D.J. Trump aka Trumpism's Founding Farter, aka Farter Martyr. Qualifications: flatulence - mental, oral and anal. | |||
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Re read what I wrote. I asked if your proposed law would put the kid in a juvenile prison. In any case, it’s a state matter, like murder. Where in the constitution would your proposed be warranted?
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You wrote that we did not need a national law requiring parents/custodians to take responsible precautions to secure firearms or face criminal charges when their children use firearms in crime. You proffered that we use juvenile jails. This was on incorrect as to what the law allows for a minor this young. I never said anything about incarceration of this minor. I knew that was not possible. No, not for a minor this young. The parents should be held criminally responsible. To do that, we need a law. Not all states have such a law. Kids get access for self harm and harm of others at home. My law would make it more likely the child never got the gun. This, this would not happen. He is 6. The parents allowed acres to this firearm. The parents should go down. They will in Civil Court. | |||
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When I was in high school, in the winter months I often walked to school along a railroad track. I can't imagine doing that now since it was about 4 miles one-way. It was better than riding the bus. The point was that I carried my 22 rifle and hid it in the bush or a friend's house. On the way home I often got a cottontail rabbit or two. The bushy banks along the tracks were perfect to see them in their beds and head shoot them. Also, the granite rocks alongside the tracks were perfect for throwing into the bush to get them to show themselves. Those times were short-lived, but the memories linger. ************* Real conservatives aren't radicalized. Thus "radicalized conservative" is an oxymoron. Yet there are many radicalized republicans. "When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross." - Sinclair Lewis Per my far-right friend: "reality sucks" D.J. Trump aka Trumpism's Founding Farter, aka Farter Martyr. Qualifications: flatulence - mental, oral and anal. | |||
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Our priorities are currently miss directed. America needs to re direct it's priorities. M.E. several times over the years you've mentioned you family and interactions with them. I think most of us are under the impression you are an involved sibling, uncle, cousin, etc,..... It sounds like your family also is involved with each other and so I should likely expect no murders from you. Doc Lane has mentioned a few times his family and community involvement. Again I think I should expect no murders in his circle. But community involvement isn't a popular as it used to be I think. Families interact less. Seems folks are less socially obligated. The fabric that binds us together as New Yorkers , Californians and Americans is frayed and weak. America likes to think of themselves as "United" less and less. Everyone is a victim and oppressed. "The election was stolen!!! ( from me,)" "I'm a slave!!!! (ancestrally, economically, gender or ethnically)". We are all individual and victims demanding our individual due. If we are to survive as a nation and society I think we need to look and turn inward, look to each other and appreciate our neighbors. Religiously or not, I see no sanctity of human life. There's no appreciation for differences and no value in dignity, honesty, humility. We've very consciously let our cities, bridges, levees and natural resources rot. Drug cartels in Sequoia National Park.  We ignore the travesties right out on our sidewalk to obsess and throw $trillions at far away entanglements and made up drama. | |||
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The best and most truthful post I’ve read here in a while. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ J. Lane Easter, DVM A born Texan has instilled in his system a mind-set of no retreat or no surrender. I wish everyone the world over had the dominating spirit that motivates Texans.– Billy Clayton, Speaker of the Texas House No state commands such fierce pride and loyalty. Lesser mortals are pitied for their misfortune in not being born in Texas.— Queen Elizabeth II on her visit to Texas in May, 1991. | |||
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Two is a good answer. Or just open carry and don't worry about it. | |||
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I think I despise open carry, for lack of a better way to say it. I saw a guy in home depot recently open carrying, and sorta strutting, and I heard his comments to one of the employees there. He said he was LEO, which I don't believe for a second, and the pistol was rather unsecured IMO. Some AH could have snatched it and shot the guy with his own gun. Open carry is as plain as it can get - shoot me first. IMO, it's stupid. I want my "weapon" to be a surprise. ************* Real conservatives aren't radicalized. Thus "radicalized conservative" is an oxymoron. Yet there are many radicalized republicans. "When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross." - Sinclair Lewis Per my far-right friend: "reality sucks" D.J. Trump aka Trumpism's Founding Farter, aka Farter Martyr. Qualifications: flatulence - mental, oral and anal. | |||
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I like that post. It's more positive than negative, IMO, depending on how you read it. I'm looking for ways to get involved and make friends. I'm thinking of getting involved in the so-called river keeper orgs - and expect they are the environmentalist types. Hopefully my kind. ************* Real conservatives aren't radicalized. Thus "radicalized conservative" is an oxymoron. Yet there are many radicalized republicans. "When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross." - Sinclair Lewis Per my far-right friend: "reality sucks" D.J. Trump aka Trumpism's Founding Farter, aka Farter Martyr. Qualifications: flatulence - mental, oral and anal. | |||
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************* Real conservatives aren't radicalized. Thus "radicalized conservative" is an oxymoron. Yet there are many radicalized republicans. "When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross." - Sinclair Lewis Per my far-right friend: "reality sucks" D.J. Trump aka Trumpism's Founding Farter, aka Farter Martyr. Qualifications: flatulence - mental, oral and anal. | |||
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Sure, hopefully your kind, but if not hopefully you'll be able to connect in some kind of fraternity. I think it sounds like a great idea. Pursue clean water, healthy fish. Relate with your neighbors. | |||
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When I was six, no one that I knew had safes, guns were kept in the closet or in an open display rack. Dad would provide me with 22s and drop me off at Finley's farm to do my hunting/shooting. What kind of culture did that kid live in where it would seem acceptable to shoot his teacher? | |||
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When I was little. The long guns were out in display. The handguns were kept up. Kind of hard to sneak a 5 foot single shot, shotgun on the bus. As the NRA says: own it, respect it, secure it. If you have children in the home responsible precautions to secure or face the consequences of your child’s actions is not unreasonable. | |||
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My kids went to a well known private school in the UK. At prize giving it's not unusual to hear "welcome your royal highnesses, parents blah blah". I went to a parent teacher meeting there one morning and one of the mums walked in with a shotgun in a gun slip and put it in the corner - no one gave a shit. This was maybe 10 years ago now tho. I've taken one of my deer rifles (in a hard case) into a client meeting as didn't want to leave it in the car. No one knew what it was (although it did say "steyr" on the case). No one cared... | |||
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Society has degenerated. People like Joshua do not want to face that fact…but it is the truth. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ J. Lane Easter, DVM A born Texan has instilled in his system a mind-set of no retreat or no surrender. I wish everyone the world over had the dominating spirit that motivates Texans.– Billy Clayton, Speaker of the Texas House No state commands such fierce pride and loyalty. Lesser mortals are pitied for their misfortune in not being born in Texas.— Queen Elizabeth II on her visit to Texas in May, 1991. | |||
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Most of us 60-80+ year olds- had a two parent households- a true community around us- other strong male and female figures other than our immediate families- activities and social groups that instructed morals-- boy scouts ,faa, demolay-etc-etc- we had knowledge of rapid consequenses for behavioral miscues and particularly excursions into lawlessness- we had enforcement of rules, codes of behavior and law by numerous points of contact -other than our family- we had no 1st person video shooting games for instruction/desensitization toward shooting those around us- no rap or other audio influences encouraging/instructing shooting police, patrents or anyone that offends us, or meerly "messes with our stuff"- no constant electronic mind-numbing assualt for our pocket electonic world that encompasses all we do-see-hear-feel- in essence we had family/community and largely a society that would stay involved and gave a damn DuggaBoye-O NRA-Life Whittington-Life TSRA-Life DRSS DSC HSC SCI | |||
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In some ways things change for the better, in some ways not. Likely peoples opinions will differ on which is which but overall we need people who feel strongly enough that things need to change to bring it about. | |||
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