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So you believe scientists about what happened millions of years ago, and believe Wikipedia about science now? That's assuming your claim about Wikipedia is true, which I don't think is true. Hummm ************* Real conservatives aren't radicalized. Thus "radicalized conservative" is an oxymoron. Yet there are many radicalized republicans. "When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross." - Sinclair Lewis Per my far-right friend: "reality sucks" D.J. Trump aka Trumpism's Founding Farter, aka Farter Martyr. Qualifications: flatulence - mental, oral and anal. | |||
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No human that I know of, not even Greta, is trying to change that. After all, it is what it is or was. Maybe you're talking about the narrative/spin? I don't know of anyone arguing that either. Some still say the earth is flat. Some argue that since the climate has and is in a constant state of change proves a hoax. But they choose to ignore half, at least, of the equation. Why does it change? And which direction? And how fast? And how far? The affects and the effects (cause and effect), etc. There's always cause and effect. Just claiming it's always changed is dismissing cause and effect. Science is always interested in cause and effect. So, you are dismissing science - but not all science, just the parts that are an Inconvenient Truth. ************* Real conservatives aren't radicalized. Thus "radicalized conservative" is an oxymoron. Yet there are many radicalized republicans. "When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross." - Sinclair Lewis Per my far-right friend: "reality sucks" D.J. Trump aka Trumpism's Founding Farter, aka Farter Martyr. Qualifications: flatulence - mental, oral and anal. | |||
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Greta "Dumberg". Poor, disabled child used by her parents and other environmentalists forced to delete her climate predictions and crawl back in her burrow. https://www.msn.com/en-us/news...bcf2268f2cbec4&ei=33
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I think it is certain that climate change is absolutely real. I think is is also likely that the actions of over eight billion people on the planet are having some influence environmentally, and by extension, climatically. At the same time, it should obvious that taxing gasoline or buying electric cars will have no effect whatsoever. It should also be obvious that "scientists" often espouse theories and call them facts. This is a lot like when people like Dr. Faucci told us the vaccine was 95% effective (I guess that was 95% effective at making pharma companies rich). Or, when doctors and nurses were telling us about hospitals which were being overrun with covid patients. Upon visiting these same hospitals, we would find them strangely empty. If we were supplied with facts, instead of wild supposition, we might still make stupid choices (probably would), but they would be informed stupid choices. Regards, Bill | |||
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https://www.msn.com/en-us/weat...b58f27837f9e39&ei=17 Study warns of catastrophic scenario that could hospitalize thousands: ‘The greatest climate-related hazard we can imagine’ Story by Hayleigh Evans • 4h ago =============================================== Same for Texas ************* Real conservatives aren't radicalized. Thus "radicalized conservative" is an oxymoron. Yet there are many radicalized republicans. "When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross." - Sinclair Lewis Per my far-right friend: "reality sucks" D.J. Trump aka Trumpism's Founding Farter, aka Farter Martyr. Qualifications: flatulence - mental, oral and anal. | |||
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EVERYTIME there's a little hot or cold weather, you IMBECILES get restless............  | |||
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Poor Greta. It used to be polar bears used as a hinge point for climate denialists, something really worthy of them getting in a fight with. Poor Greta. https://thenarwhal.ca/polar-be...ange-scientists-say/ Polar Bears Chosen as a Bizarre Symbol to Deny Climate Change, Scientists Say ************* Real conservatives aren't radicalized. Thus "radicalized conservative" is an oxymoron. Yet there are many radicalized republicans. "When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross." - Sinclair Lewis Per my far-right friend: "reality sucks" D.J. Trump aka Trumpism's Founding Farter, aka Farter Martyr. Qualifications: flatulence - mental, oral and anal. | |||
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I think that's BS, Bill. State a non-fact, then make a wild supposition. What does that prove? That you are immune from stupid because you are informed, or the flip side? The two hospitals I visited, unfortunately, locally and in Oklahoma, were definitely not empty. The had entrances closed, and restricted to one entrance, other than for ambulances, so they could screen and require masks. They denied visitation in some cases, etc. ************* Real conservatives aren't radicalized. Thus "radicalized conservative" is an oxymoron. Yet there are many radicalized republicans. "When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross." - Sinclair Lewis Per my far-right friend: "reality sucks" D.J. Trump aka Trumpism's Founding Farter, aka Farter Martyr. Qualifications: flatulence - mental, oral and anal. | |||
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Another go figure: these Trump supporters old enough to vote at the time were probably supporters of the Iraq invasion. They were conned by Bush II. They would include our friend Igor, if he was out of high school then. If not, he'd now be pretty young for amassing the fortune he claims to have. Their appalling lack of judgement and critical thinking skills let them be conned again by Trump. They've learned nothing in the intervening years. | |||
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I was conned, as was 90% of the nation. I was naive back then and trusted the government. I only wanted one thing when I voted for Trump in 2016 and that was to expose/blow up that shit hole of a beacon on the hill. FYI, I wasn't conned and I was rewarded!!!!  | |||
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All of those same questions apply to you and your beliefs/understanding of global warming, correct? I would contend that the same applies to 99.99% of us, myself included. Jason "You're not hard-core, unless you live hard-core." _______________________ Hunting in Africa is an adventure. The number of variables involved preclude the possibility of a perfect hunt. Some problems will arise. How you decide to handle them will determine how much you enjoy your hunt. Just tell yourself, "it's all part of the adventure." Remember, if Robert Ruark had gotten upset every time problems with Harry Selby's flat bed truck delayed the safari, Horn of the Hunter would have read like an indictment of Selby. But Ruark rolled with the punches, poured some gin, and enjoyed the adventure. -Jason Brown | |||
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Not quite. I don't draw a line between what science says happened in the past on GW, and what they say is happening in the present. Why should I? Why should you? ************* Real conservatives aren't radicalized. Thus "radicalized conservative" is an oxymoron. Yet there are many radicalized republicans. "When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross." - Sinclair Lewis Per my far-right friend: "reality sucks" D.J. Trump aka Trumpism's Founding Farter, aka Farter Martyr. Qualifications: flatulence - mental, oral and anal. | |||
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https://www.statesman.com/stor...a-trial/70316806007/ A first for climate change: Young activists take state of Montana to court over inaction ************* Real conservatives aren't radicalized. Thus "radicalized conservative" is an oxymoron. Yet there are many radicalized republicans. "When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross." - Sinclair Lewis Per my far-right friend: "reality sucks" D.J. Trump aka Trumpism's Founding Farter, aka Farter Martyr. Qualifications: flatulence - mental, oral and anal. | |||
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All the crap about the climate changing in the past, Al Gore was wrong, and so on is irrelevant. The question is whether human activities are changing the climate in a way that is destructive to plant and animal species on earth. The data says yes. We can reduce the climate change we cause by changing the way we live. | |||
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ME, the article you posted is a perfect example of the crap that “climate advocates” live to pull. *Just to be clear, I 100% believe that the climate is changing and I am 99% sure that humans are the root cause of the sudden changes that we are seeing.* My problem with the article is simply this: there is ABSOLUTELY NOTHING “bizarre” about the fact that the polar bear is being used to cast doubt on the climate advocates. Look at the facts: “climate advocates” decided to push the idea that global warming has polar bears on the brink of extinction. And as we all know, charismatic megafauna gets peoples attention, and the imperiled polar bear was no different. Trust me, everyone in the lower 48 seems to know that the polar bear is almost extinct. I even had the wife of a friend, an educated Alaskan, tell me how bad the polar bears have it, even though she doesn’t live anywhere near the Arctic. What’s the problem you ask? The problem with this narrative is the fact that there are more polar bears now than there have been any time since they began population surveys over 50 years ago. Can they be in peril, and also have a thriving population? Maybe May they be locally endangered, but hold strong elsewhere? Of course. Did your cute little article mention any of this? Of course not. Instead the article made no mention of population numbers and instead painted anyone who doubts the plight of polar bears as a simple minded fool who is guilty of follow another simple minded fool who has a blog and is spreading misinformation. And here is the thing: I’ve never heard of the blog lady, I do believe that our rapidly changing climate is being hastened by man, and yet I have used the same “polar bears are thriving” narratives to poke fun at all of these ignorant fools who repeat things like “there are almost no polar bears left”. I lived in Barrow and we had polar bears in town near my house regularly. The climate chicken littles from the lower 48 would tell you that they are there because there is no sea ice, but the locals who had hunted polar bears, walrus and whales, would tell you that they were seeing more polar bears out on the ice than they have on past decades. So I googled it, and the scientists have published the numbers showing that the world wide population is thriving. Will they be in peril if all the ice melts? My guess is that they will go extinct. But the real question is “why do we still have ice at the pole when they have been warning that it would be gone by now?” Jason "You're not hard-core, unless you live hard-core." _______________________ Hunting in Africa is an adventure. The number of variables involved preclude the possibility of a perfect hunt. Some problems will arise. How you decide to handle them will determine how much you enjoy your hunt. Just tell yourself, "it's all part of the adventure." Remember, if Robert Ruark had gotten upset every time problems with Harry Selby's flat bed truck delayed the safari, Horn of the Hunter would have read like an indictment of Selby. But Ruark rolled with the punches, poured some gin, and enjoyed the adventure. -Jason Brown | |||
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Roland, I want to make sure that I fully understand your post. Are you saying that we should ignore the fact that Al Gore, and everyone else who has made doomsday climate warnings, warnings that time has proven to overblown if not completely false, should be ignored? And you want us to ignore those failed predictions, while accepting the new doomsday predictions that are based on the same science and repeated by the same false prophets? If that is your position, then I guess i shouldn’t be surprised that the same people want to give socialism/communism another try… But if I misunderstood, please correct me. Jason "You're not hard-core, unless you live hard-core." _______________________ Hunting in Africa is an adventure. The number of variables involved preclude the possibility of a perfect hunt. Some problems will arise. How you decide to handle them will determine how much you enjoy your hunt. Just tell yourself, "it's all part of the adventure." Remember, if Robert Ruark had gotten upset every time problems with Harry Selby's flat bed truck delayed the safari, Horn of the Hunter would have read like an indictment of Selby. But Ruark rolled with the punches, poured some gin, and enjoyed the adventure. -Jason Brown | |||
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ME, there are few things that we can be certain of in this world, but one thing is for certain: when Al Gore was warning us that our SUVs were melting the polar ice caps, he owned a mansion in Tennessee, his a “second home” no less, that consumed electricity and natural gas at a rate that was 12 times(other sources say 20 times) that of the average American household. https://www.jacksonville.com/s...s-ranch/15826859007/ So while Al Gore was winning an academy award for telling us that we needed to “do better” and decrease our energy consumption, he was flying around in a private jet. Yes, quite the Inconvenience Truth. How many of of us would have to trade our SUVs in for bicycles to offset the carbon footprint of all of the private jets that flew the rich and powerful to the most recent climate summit? Jason "You're not hard-core, unless you live hard-core." _______________________ Hunting in Africa is an adventure. The number of variables involved preclude the possibility of a perfect hunt. Some problems will arise. How you decide to handle them will determine how much you enjoy your hunt. Just tell yourself, "it's all part of the adventure." Remember, if Robert Ruark had gotten upset every time problems with Harry Selby's flat bed truck delayed the safari, Horn of the Hunter would have read like an indictment of Selby. But Ruark rolled with the punches, poured some gin, and enjoyed the adventure. -Jason Brown | |||
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Jason, If nihilism is like a lollypop, what's next after it melts? ************* Real conservatives aren't radicalized. Thus "radicalized conservative" is an oxymoron. Yet there are many radicalized republicans. "When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross." - Sinclair Lewis Per my far-right friend: "reality sucks" D.J. Trump aka Trumpism's Founding Farter, aka Farter Martyr. Qualifications: flatulence - mental, oral and anal. | |||
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I see we are all still here.  ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ J. Lane Easter, DVM A born Texan has instilled in his system a mind-set of no retreat or no surrender. I wish everyone the world over had the dominating spirit that motivates Texans.– Billy Clayton, Speaker of the Texas House No state commands such fierce pride and loyalty. Lesser mortals are pitied for their misfortune in not being born in Texas.— Queen Elizabeth II on her visit to Texas in May, 1991. | |||
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We are still here, and started our first day of this new summer with a temp of 39F. I do believe that everyone should do what they can to cushion their impact on their local environment. A good first step would be to choose not to reproduce like rats. We need to be aware of potential impact of our actions, and we can only accomplish this with factual information and by thinking critically. As for myself, today I have to burn some diesel. Sorry, but there it is. Regards, Bill | |||
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Another day in paradise where I live. Crystal clear blue sky, sunny, 85F for the high. Fish are jumping in the pond. Summer! ~Ann   | |||
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Climate change is real. But there is not much we can do about it. It is just the vested interest of the idiots making money out of it! | |||
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You kinda missed my question: what are we to make of the fact that the “climate advocates” have consistently made predictions that were gross exaggerations, with the intent of “scaring” us into action, while all the while they are living lives that are the exact opposite of how they are telling us to live? I would like to hear your answer on this question because I value your opinion. Having said that, I will tell you what how they excuse this hypocrisy: “ Because we do soooo much for the environment, our own environmentally unfriendly activities should be forgiven.” Is that different than a dirty cop who rationalizes that he catches a lot of criminals, so it’s fair for him to profit through his own criminal behavior… Or how about a doctor who pushes others to get vaccinated, but doesn’t get vaccinated themselves… As to your question about what we do once the ice melts, I don’t know when/if the ice will ever melt. It’s hard take their predictions seriously as they remind me of the Social Security doomsday predictions. The bankruptcy of SS is yet to come. But yes, the changing climate will be a challenge. I done think that anyone knows the answer to that question. I do know that I see a lot of people screaming that everyone else need to take climate change seriously, but I see very, very few of those people living the virtuous lives of sacrifice that they demand we live. Would you call that “alt-nihilism”, or maybe “nihilism-driven-hypocrisy”? Jason "You're not hard-core, unless you live hard-core." _______________________ Hunting in Africa is an adventure. The number of variables involved preclude the possibility of a perfect hunt. Some problems will arise. How you decide to handle them will determine how much you enjoy your hunt. Just tell yourself, "it's all part of the adventure." Remember, if Robert Ruark had gotten upset every time problems with Harry Selby's flat bed truck delayed the safari, Horn of the Hunter would have read like an indictment of Selby. But Ruark rolled with the punches, poured some gin, and enjoyed the adventure. -Jason Brown | |||
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I'm not as sure as you are that they knew what they were saying was "gross exaggerations". And I don't think their intent was to promote fear or scare us into action. Also, I didn't take their message as telling us how we should live and consume. Rightist contrarians did that interpretation. I could be wrong, but my take on it is just as valid as yours. I didn't miss your question. But you missed mine. I'll get back to that. The goal, obviously, for climate science contrarians is to discredit anything they don't already believe. It's worldview preservation. It's a whole industry. If Al Gore and the others reduced their carbon footprint by selling their mansions and living in shacks, and riding mules to their destinations, it wouldn't stop the discrediting. My little jab about nihilism was because I see the conservative contrarianism about climate science as a form of nihilism. So, I'll answer my own question of what's next, once rightists finally realize that the science is correct. All out zero-sum. ************* Real conservatives aren't radicalized. Thus "radicalized conservative" is an oxymoron. Yet there are many radicalized republicans. "When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross." - Sinclair Lewis Per my far-right friend: "reality sucks" D.J. Trump aka Trumpism's Founding Farter, aka Farter Martyr. Qualifications: flatulence - mental, oral and anal. | |||
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While the alarmists may have been off on the timeline, there is zero proof that they are wrong. The earth is getting hotter & drier and all the denial in the world won't change any of that. While Saeed may be correct that it will happen anyway I disagree that we can't do anything about it. Slowing it down is doing something. When I was a kid in the 50s-60s I saw 15-18 below zero every year, and lots of below zero weather. Now it rarely ever gets below zero here and usually only for a day or 2 if it does. I trust scientists who warned us long ago a hell of a lot more than idiot denialists with their heads stuck in hot sand. | |||
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Nihilism is on your mind a lot these days. How can you blame the nihilist when China and India are responsible for nearly half of the world’s greenhouse gas emissions? How is this problem solvable? Do you really believe that we will be able to get the third world on board with reducing emissions when we can’t even get the millionaires and billionaires who preach the loudest to curb their emissions? Please don’t take this as a dig, but I can’t fathom your position unless there is a lot of willful ignorance involved. You see that the climate leaders done follow their own dictates, yet you don’t question their sincerity? Do you extend the same benefit of the doubt to disgraced Republican leaders, priests, etc.? Jason "You're not hard-core, unless you live hard-core." _______________________ Hunting in Africa is an adventure. The number of variables involved preclude the possibility of a perfect hunt. Some problems will arise. How you decide to handle them will determine how much you enjoy your hunt. Just tell yourself, "it's all part of the adventure." Remember, if Robert Ruark had gotten upset every time problems with Harry Selby's flat bed truck delayed the safari, Horn of the Hunter would have read like an indictment of Selby. But Ruark rolled with the punches, poured some gin, and enjoyed the adventure. -Jason Brown | |||
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I would point out that the term “climate change” wasn’t mainstream until many of their early predictions were proven false. Specifically, we were told that “global warming” was causing global temperatures to increase, and that we would see increased warming unless “drastic measures” were taken. Then for the next several years global temperatures fell, and suddenly the climate leaders said “yep, there is your proof. Climate change is real…” And none of their dire warnings have followed the timetables the put forth. I done deny man made climate change, but I do doubt the sincerity of those who tell us to “save the planet by eating ‘plant based meat’, yet admit to eating red meat more often than the lab meat they tell us that we should consume (Bill Gates). Or those telling us to “go green” while flying private jets and collecting million for telling us how to save the planet. Jason "You're not hard-core, unless you live hard-core." _______________________ Hunting in Africa is an adventure. The number of variables involved preclude the possibility of a perfect hunt. Some problems will arise. How you decide to handle them will determine how much you enjoy your hunt. Just tell yourself, "it's all part of the adventure." Remember, if Robert Ruark had gotten upset every time problems with Harry Selby's flat bed truck delayed the safari, Horn of the Hunter would have read like an indictment of Selby. But Ruark rolled with the punches, poured some gin, and enjoyed the adventure. -Jason Brown | |||
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Yes, to your first question. Just because Gore and some scientists were wrong about the timing doesn't mean there is no global warming. No, to your second question. Gore and other near-term doomsayers have lost credibility. Doesn't necessarily mean they're wrong the second or third time though. The issue of global warming has nothing to do with Communism or socialism. It's bigger than any political system. Let's ignore JTEX. He's been wrong more than the climate scientists. | |||
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I "hear" ya. You are a really good debater. This stuff takes a lot of thought for me to write properly (lacking a better word) I don't mean to deflect. I also don't feel the need to repeat myself. I'm just off on another tangent right now, and want to do it justice too. Se ya on the flip side. Regards  ************* Real conservatives aren't radicalized. Thus "radicalized conservative" is an oxymoron. Yet there are many radicalized republicans. "When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross." - Sinclair Lewis Per my far-right friend: "reality sucks" D.J. Trump aka Trumpism's Founding Farter, aka Farter Martyr. Qualifications: flatulence - mental, oral and anal. | |||
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I believe meteorologists like paul Markowski. Yes there is man made climate change, but it is used as an excuse for everything. I have already told of the fish and game biologists that was using climate change excuses, until I proved them otherwise. They admitted the prof. who taught them used it as a cover message in all classes. It diminishes the real points of what we can do to slow things. | |||
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Have you ever wondered those screaming for climate reform are the ones who are causing it? Why don't they set an example. Go live off the grid for 100 years. Use no modern amenities? Show us how it is really done. | |||
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They done need to do all of that Saeed. If they we simply able to live the “green lifestyle” that tell us that we should live, it would be a start. You know, simple things that “environmentally conscious” people are supposed to do: own a single modest and energy efficient home, don’t fly private jets, etc. Hell, 99.99% of climate deniers have a lover carbon footprint than Al Gore and the rest of the multimillionaire climate pimps. You would think that they would have some shame… Jason "You're not hard-core, unless you live hard-core." _______________________ Hunting in Africa is an adventure. The number of variables involved preclude the possibility of a perfect hunt. Some problems will arise. How you decide to handle them will determine how much you enjoy your hunt. Just tell yourself, "it's all part of the adventure." Remember, if Robert Ruark had gotten upset every time problems with Harry Selby's flat bed truck delayed the safari, Horn of the Hunter would have read like an indictment of Selby. But Ruark rolled with the punches, poured some gin, and enjoyed the adventure. -Jason Brown | |||
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I’ve no interest in debating this issue, as I am not equipped with enough knowledge to do so. I posed those questions to you because I truly don’t see them as questions that an honest person like yourself would be able to answer without admitting that there is ample reason for others to question the sincerity of the climate doomsayers. It’s like asking a Trump supporter “If Trump is such a great American, the why did he stand by and watch while his supporters ran sacked the capitol”. I can find no acceptable answer to either question. Jason "You're not hard-core, unless you live hard-core." _______________________ Hunting in Africa is an adventure. The number of variables involved preclude the possibility of a perfect hunt. Some problems will arise. How you decide to handle them will determine how much you enjoy your hunt. Just tell yourself, "it's all part of the adventure." Remember, if Robert Ruark had gotten upset every time problems with Harry Selby's flat bed truck delayed the safari, Horn of the Hunter would have read like an indictment of Selby. But Ruark rolled with the punches, poured some gin, and enjoyed the adventure. -Jason Brown | |||
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In the old days, one avoided debating religion, because it was pointless. Then came politics. Now it is pointless to debate anything, as the freaks are so brainwashed, they think THEY are right, and everyone else is wrong. I get called all sort of names when I tell them it is pointless for me to discuss anything with brainless IDIOTS!  | |||
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Saeed, you call them brainless idiots, and are surprised when they call you names in return? lol | |||
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They do. Still doesn’t alter the facts! Earth is changing. Always had. Always will. Despite Greta! | |||
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