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Originally posted by shankspony:
To be clear. We dont tariff all most anyone. We are free trade. I think Trumps bridge burning is stupid. But I do recognise that Canada is very protectionist.

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Originally posted by theback40:
Most, if not all ag in Canada is manipulated by the gov.
Dairy was all but prohibited to cross the border. The big dairy producing states could have sold fluid milk much cheaper than the subsidized Canadian counterpart. Hence Canadas huge tariff.
The Canadian timber co. were taken to court multiple times for breaking Nafta. They always made a side deal before a ruling.
Canadian mills have been ringing the phone off the hook, looking for logs. Every logger I know have been getting calls. The log yards along the border here, are empty, and they Canadians are worried. The big mills bought up, and closed, most of the small mills operating in the US next to the border. Timber was sent across the border, then sold as finished product back across to the US.
The good news is, it wouldnt be hard for mills to start back up in the US, and Canadian mills could go pound sand.
Sap will be running starting this month. I hope they put a tariff on Canadian subsidized maple syrup, and the US syrup market thrives this year!

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Originally posted by medved:

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Originally posted by shankspony:
To be clear. We dont tariff all most anyone. We are free trade. I think Trumps bridge burning is stupid. But I do recognise that Canada is very protectionist.

so is usa but you are seeming to be drinking too much kool aid on trumpism ...

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we are nice but not stupid ...

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Originally posted by shankspony:

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Originally posted by medved:

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Originally posted by shankspony:
To be clear. We dont tariff all most anyone. We are free trade. I think Trumps bridge burning is stupid. But I do recognise that Canada is very protectionist.

so is usa but you are seeming to be drinking too much kool aid on trumpism ...

WTF??

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Originally posted by Lamar:

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we are nice but not stupid ...

I seen your idiot in charge of finances say that the other day.
why don't you guys import some Norinco products down here, then we'll talk.

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Originally posted by medved:

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Originally posted by shankspony:

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Originally posted by medved:

quote:

Originally posted by shankspony:
To be clear. We dont tariff all most anyone. We are free trade. I think Trumps bridge burning is stupid. But I do recognise that Canada is very protectionist.

so is usa but you are seeming to be drinking too much kool aid on trumpism ...

WTF??

funny you mentionned that canada is using protectionnist while usa is doing exactly the same i imagine your lamb meat is seen everywhere in usa lol ... seems among the MAGA supporters it s the flavour of the day and you are doing the same ... you shown your true colors like it or not ...

quote:

Originally posted by theback40:
Most, if not all ag in Canada is manipulated by the gov.
Dairy was all but prohibited to cross the border. The big dairy producing states could have sold fluid milk much cheaper than the subsidized Canadian counterpart. Hence Canadas huge tariff.
The Canadian timber co. were taken to court multiple times for breaking Nafta. They always made a side deal before a ruling.
Canadian mills have been ringing the phone off the hook, looking for logs. Every logger I know have been getting calls. The log yards along the border here, are empty, and they Canadians are worried. The big mills bought up, and closed, most of the small mills operating in the US next to the border. Timber was sent across the border, then sold as finished product back across to the US.
The good news is, it wouldnt be hard for mills to start back up in the US, and Canadian mills could go pound sand.
Sap will be running starting this month. I hope they put a tariff on Canadian subsidized maple syrup, and the US syrup market thrives this year!

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Originally posted by Bill Leeper:

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Originally posted by theback40:
Most, if not all ag in Canada is manipulated by the gov.
Dairy was all but prohibited to cross the border. The big dairy producing states could have sold fluid milk much cheaper than the subsidized Canadian counterpart. Hence Canadas huge tariff.
The Canadian timber co. were taken to court multiple times for breaking Nafta. They always made a side deal before a ruling.
Canadian mills have been ringing the phone off the hook, looking for logs. Every logger I know have been getting calls. The log yards along the border here, are empty, and they Canadians are worried. The big mills bought up, and closed, most of the small mills operating in the US next to the border. Timber was sent across the border, then sold as finished product back across to the US.
The good news is, it wouldnt be hard for mills to start back up in the US, and Canadian mills could go pound sand.
Sap will be running starting this month. I hope they put a tariff on Canadian subsidized maple syrup, and the US syrup market thrives this year!

Maybe, where you are, this has some truth to it. Here, in western Canada, it is pure bullshit. Here, sawmills have been replaced by log sorting yards which sort logs going to US producers. Dairy farms in Canada are limited as to how much they can produce. This is done to maintain prices for producers. In the US, over production is fine and the desire is to be able to dump the surplus in Canada at prices lower than it is sold for in the US.
Meanwhile, our milk, eggs, and cheese are plentiful enough and affordable. Same for beef and chicken.
As it happens, many producers in Canada have committed to selling product in the US. They will have to switch gears and find new markets which are more reliable. Perhaps Canadian producers can establish trade with Mexico and by-pass the US. As well, Canada needs to establish stronger ties with Scandinavia and the British Isles. Bill.

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Originally posted by theback40:
Most, if not all ag in Canada is manipulated by the gov.
Dairy was all but prohibited to cross the border. The big dairy producing states could have sold fluid milk much cheaper than the subsidized Canadian counterpart. Hence Canadas huge tariff.
The Canadian timber co. were taken to court multiple times for breaking Nafta. They always made a side deal before a ruling.
Canadian mills have been ringing the phone off the hook, looking for logs. Every logger I know have been getting calls. The log yards along the border here, are empty, and they Canadians are worried. The big mills bought up, and closed, most of the small mills operating in the US next to the border. Timber was sent across the border, then sold as finished product back across to the US.
The good news is, it wouldnt be hard for mills to start back up in the US, and Canadian mills could go pound sand.
Sap will be running starting this month. I hope they put a tariff on Canadian subsidized maple syrup, and the US syrup market thrives this year!

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Originally posted by shankspony:

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Originally posted by medved:

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Originally posted by shankspony:

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Originally posted by medved:

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Originally posted by shankspony:
To be clear. We dont tariff all most anyone. We are free trade. I think Trumps bridge burning is stupid. But I do recognise that Canada is very protectionist.

so is usa but you are seeming to be drinking too much kool aid on trumpism ...

WTF??

funny you mentionned that canada is using protectionnist while usa is doing exactly the same i imagine your lamb meat is seen everywhere in usa lol ... seems among the MAGA supporters it s the flavour of the day and you are doing the same ... you shown your true colors like it or not ...

English is your second language right?

The US takes 15% of our sheep meat exports. Canada about 5%. I wasn't taking sides on that issue other than saying Trump is wrong to be doing what he's doing, how he's doing, and that For a nation like Canada, where producing food is more costly due to the climate, Its understandable to have Protection on your agriculture for national security. Id love Canada and thew US to remove both their tariffs and quotas, But I understand why they dont.

This isn't a new thing, it's a topic Ive talked about on here before. Other maybe able to confirm.

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Originally posted by LHeym500:
https://apple.news/Apy_XjX1TRhGgzZN-sD6ngA

I am just speechless that anyone could have pretended Team Tariffs was a good idea.

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Originally posted by shankspony:
Calm down dude, Im not attacking you or disagreeing.And Im not saying either is better or worse. But if what you are saying is what I think, then you are not understanding.

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Originally posted by shankspony:
I dont know what your point is. Or what your antagonism is either.

Go back and read what Ive written.

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Originally posted by medved:

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Originally posted by shankspony:

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Originally posted by medved:

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Originally posted by shankspony:
To be clear. We dont tariff all most anyone. We are free trade. I think Trumps bridge burning is stupid. But I do recognise that Canada is very protectionist.

so is usa but you are seeming to be drinking too much kool aid on trumpism ...

WTF??

funny you mentionned that canada is using protectionnist while usa is doing exactly the same i imagine your lamb meat is seen everywhere in usa lol ... seems among the MAGA supporters it s the flavour of the day and you are doing the same ... you shown your true colors like it or not ...

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Originally posted by jeffeosso:

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Originally posted by medved:

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Originally posted by shankspony:

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Originally posted by medved:

quote:

Originally posted by shankspony:
To be clear. We dont tariff all most anyone. We are free trade. I think Trumps bridge burning is stupid. But I do recognise that Canada is very protectionist.

so is usa but you are seeming to be drinking too much kool aid on trumpism ...

WTF??

funny you mentionned that canada is using protectionnist while usa is doing exactly the same i imagine your lamb meat is seen everywhere in usa lol ... seems among the MAGA supporters it s the flavour of the day and you are doing the same ... you shown your true colors like it or not ...

other than a zillion spelling errors

*I* am the only person I know, in Texas, that likes lamb/mutton as a preference, rather than as a "that's neat" thing -- and *I* prefer local to imported, as it's grain fed, rather than grass fed,

but that has ZERO ZERO ZERO to do with Canada US trade --

it's kinda cute to see Canadian loonies all jacked up about CANADA slamming tariffs down on the US, - sigh, you wouldn't be happy if they hung you with a new rope

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Originally posted by jeffeosso:
strange - i SAID nothing in support of trump -- you MADE UP CONNECTIONS -- this isn't the first time you've done this, and attempted to project YOUR "wit me or again me" thought processes --

you've bene charged prior, show me a SINGLE post where I support the trade/tariff war/kerfuffle .. JUST ONE ..

but you can't, as I have repeatedly called it wrong/stupid/dumb --

US libbies have the group mind, pack mentality that if you disagree with ONE THING, from THIS week's talking points, you are, obviously, a nazi -- you might look into that, and catch it pre-metastasis

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Originally posted by medved:

quote:

Originally posted by theback40:
Most, if not all ag in Canada is manipulated by the gov.
Dairy was all but prohibited to cross the border. The big dairy producing states could have sold fluid milk much cheaper than the subsidized Canadian counterpart. Hence Canadas huge tariff.
The Canadian timber co. were taken to court multiple times for breaking Nafta. They always made a side deal before a ruling.
Canadian mills have been ringing the phone off the hook, looking for logs. Every logger I know have been getting calls. The log yards along the border here, are empty, and they Canadians are worried. The big mills bought up, and closed, most of the small mills operating in the US next to the border. Timber was sent across the border, then sold as finished product back across to the US.
The good news is, it wouldnt be hard for mills to start back up in the US, and Canadian mills could go pound sand.
Sap will be running starting this month. I hope they put a tariff on Canadian subsidized maple syrup, and the US syrup market thrives this year!

your agriculture is subsidized as well but your president started it and suddenly the canada had enough and retaliated ... we are nice but not stupid ...

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Originally posted by medved:

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Originally posted by jeffeosso:
strange - i SAID nothing in support of trump -- you MADE UP CONNECTIONS -- this isn't the first time you've done this, and attempted to project YOUR "wit me or again me" thought processes --

you've bene charged prior, show me a SINGLE post where I support the trade/tariff war/kerfuffle .. JUST ONE ..

but you can't, as I have repeatedly called it wrong/stupid/dumb --

US libbies have the group mind, pack mentality that if you disagree with ONE THING, from THIS week's talking points, you are, obviously, a nazi -- you might look into that, and catch it pre-metastasis

if you did not vote for him but standing his grounds on policies it might that easy for you ...

you are against tariffs but you wrote your country will win at the end so exactly the same for me ... never said someone is a nazi but you are part of new order that might be worse than nazi but only time will tell.

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Originally posted by medved:

do you agree on the take on foreign soil grounds? like panama, greenland and canada without their consents? very simple question.

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Originally posted by medved:


do you agree on the no more support by your country of the war in ukraine started by the ennemy of western world?

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Originally posted by medved:


do you agree that despite nato treaty you will not support a country if your president decide so?

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Originally posted by medved:


in all of those simple questions we will see where you stand ...

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Originally posted by jeffeosso:

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Originally posted by medved:

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Originally posted by jeffeosso:
strange - i SAID nothing in support of trump -- you MADE UP CONNECTIONS -- this isn't the first time you've done this, and attempted to project YOUR "wit me or again me" thought processes --

you've bene charged prior, show me a SINGLE post where I support the trade/tariff war/kerfuffle .. JUST ONE ..

but you can't, as I have repeatedly called it wrong/stupid/dumb --

US libbies have the group mind, pack mentality that if you disagree with ONE THING, from THIS week's talking points, you are, obviously, a nazi -- you might look into that, and catch it pre-metastasis

if you did not vote for him but standing his grounds on policies it might that easy for you ...

you are against tariffs but you wrote your country will win at the end so exactly the same for me ... never said someone is a nazi but you are part of new order that might be worse than nazi but only time will tell.

this is the closest you have come to saying what i actually said - trade war is BAD, outcome is a foregone conclusion - and just like nafta, the outcome will be equalized tariffs or tariff free -- which is the easier? IDK

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Originally posted by medved:

do you agree on the take on foreign soil grounds? like panama, greenland and canada without their consents? very simple question.

very simple answer - HELL NO, i don't support this lunacy

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Originally posted by medved:


do you agree on the no more support by your country of the war in ukraine started by the ennemy of western world?

i don't support supporting ANY war, including us undeclared wars - I do not agree with cutting Ukraine off - they were the attacked - i do not agree with cutting of Israel, they were attacked.

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Originally posted by medved:


do you agree that despite nato treaty you will not support a country if your president decide so?

this is a whacky strawman - no current wars are with nato countries - and yeah, it depends - if a nato member becomes expansionist, trying to take territory from another nato member, which would all be on european soil, we obviously can't support both sides -

do you support a return to USMCA or NAFTA 2.0? signed by the president trump or do you consider the signature of your country doesnt oblige when it fits ...

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Originally posted by medved:


in all of those simple questions we will see where you stand ...

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Originally posted by jeffeosso:
i am not aware of anything that would compel me to change these convictions -- I am a Texan, it's like a Western Canadian, but not nearly as nice - I don't agree with MANY of the stupid things Texas is doing, and agree with a good deal of them -- I don't agree with pushing religion, as that's entirely a "home training" thing - but I also don't agree with being anti-religion - as that equally forces a private view on others - EVERY time some fringe group sues and wins for their religion to be presented, i have a good laugh .. it's freedom OF religion, not from it

I don't agree with the abortion limits in Texas - I don't "like" abortion, but i fully support women's autonomy -

I have always been in favor of gay marriage -- well, let me say this differently - I don't think the government should be involved in "marriage" which I see as a religious scarcement, and think the government should be responsible for acknowledging what is now called "civil unions" (several countries in the EU follow this) -- and that EVERYONE should have full and equal rights - who the heck am i to tell someone who they can marry? sure seems like a clear equal rights and personal freedom issue, and entirely constitutional for equal rights

there's an old saw that goes "I support gay couples, protecting their adopted kids and their pot farms with ar15s" .. that seems to annoy a couple percentages on both sides

are there things trump is doing that seem like repeats and normal course of actions, both from past potus president AND from the corporate world? anyone that can read what is written would -

wrapping that back to women's rights - i am TOTALLY onboard with keeping males out of female spaces and sports-- there's a reason women "choose the bear" -- i am totally on board with full rights for transexuals - why not? they are people, which is important

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Originally posted by jeffeosso:
i am not aware of anything that would compel me to change these convictions -- I am a Texan, it's like a Western Canadian, but not nearly as nice - I don't agree with MANY of the stupid things Texas is doing, and agree with a good deal of them -- I don't agree with pushing religion, as that's entirely a "home training" thing - but I also don't agree with being anti-religion - as that equally forces a private view on others - EVERY time some fringe group sues and wins for their religion to be presented, i have a good laugh .. it's freedom OF religion, not from it

I don't agree with the abortion limits in Texas - I don't "like" abortion, but i fully support women's autonomy -

I have always been in favor of gay marriage -- well, let me say this differently - I don't think the government should be involved in "marriage" which I see as a religious scarcement, and think the government should be responsible for acknowledging what is now called "civil unions" (several countries in the EU follow this) -- and that EVERYONE should have full and equal rights - who the heck am i to tell someone who they can marry? sure seems like a clear equal rights and personal freedom issue, and entirely constitutional for equal rights

there's an old saw that goes "I support gay couples, protecting their adopted kids and their pot farms with ar15s" .. that seems to annoy a couple percentages on both sides

are there things trump is doing that seem like repeats and normal course of actions, both from past potus president AND from the corporate world? anyone that can read what is written would -

wrapping that back to women's rights - i am TOTALLY onboard with keeping males out of female spaces and sports-- there's a reason women "choose the bear" -- i am totally on board with full rights for transexuals - why not? they are people, which is important