I used words like fascist and narcissist to warn you how bad it would be for all of us if Trump were president of the USA.

Obviously, that was a waist of time, most posters at that time didn't even know what a fascist is.

Well have a look now, google, Fascism - Wikipedia

And here is what a Narcissist is.

Narcissistic personality disorder is a mental health condition in which people have an unreasonably high sense of their own importance. They need and seek too much attention and want people to admire them. People with this disorder may lack the ability to understand or care about the feelings of others.

Thanks from Canada for sleeping though a decade of Trump destruction.

The only way that the destruction can stop now is if your government self destructs, implodes, or it goes right to the bottom like Nazi Germany.

But I suppose this post is a waist of time too.

Brian

it is always hard to be ahead of time ...nobody will believe it ...

cant wait what you have to write about poilievre ....

Medved, You make a good point. Thanks for the post, Brian

in the use, we say waste -
narcissist? obviously
fascist? hare you HIGH? if we had a fascist government, the left wouldn't be able to vent their spleen about the fascist government -- there's LESS not more government, LESS not more Regulation, RELEASED control of private and social media from government mandated censorship - and OH, if you meant NAZI, exhibit A, unending support for Israel ...

btw, fascism on wikipedia is a hugely edited article - and "anyone" can change it -- when websters changed it in 2017 from "extreme totalitarian, state centric regime" to "extreme right wing is disgusting - Heck, Look up the english translation of NAZI --


you are correct on part 2 - incorrect on part 1

jeffeosso, You are learn-proof like half of your country and that's how you got Trump for president. Back to "ignore" you go.

what is it with liberals? if you don't agree 100%, you are the enemy?


awww, brian -- you were faced with a logical argument, and you then announce you will ignore me, after being corrected with facts?

my, how tolerant .. how liberal --

didn't vote for trump, but YOU are grossly over-reacting and can't argue based on points --

but, in all humor, which of the 3 moneys did you do when you blocked me?

sorry, not sorry, to hurt your feelz with facts - all you have to do is pick up an older than 2017 dictionary and read the definition - then come back and tell us your results.

quote:

Originally posted by jeffeosso:
what is it with liberals? if you don't agree 100%, you are the enemy?


awww, brian -- you were faced with a logical argument, and you then announce you will ignore me, after being corrected with facts?

my, how tolerant .. how liberal --

didn't vote for trump, but YOU are grossly over-reacting and can't argue based on points --

but, in all humor, which of the 3 moneys did you do when you blocked me?

sorry, not sorry, to hurt your feelz with facts - all you have to do is pick up an older than 2017 dictionary and read the definition - then come back and tell us your results.

not supporting trump doesnt mean we are liberals lol cant phantom who trump supported for decades ever heard of the clintons lol

medved,
you are correct, not supporting trump means you are pretty rational -- the guy is a lot to take -- then again, rejecting everything from the duly elected potus because "mean tweets" is juvenile

flying off the handle, can't take a reasonable questioning of one's pre-determined OPNION, and rejecting it like rotting garbage IS a sign of liberism --

then getting made that after one posts their thoughts, and are presented with counter thoughts results is total rejection is a CLASSIC sign of a green haired neo-liberal in the US ...

can't take feedback -- which stinks, bc i think brian is a pretty cool dude with some zanny cool adventures ..

quote:

Originally posted by medved:
it is always hard to be ahead of time ...nobody will believe it ...

cant wait what you have to write about poilievre ....

Well it did get interesting, from a 26 point lead to trailing.

https://www.newsweek.com/canad...lection-poll-2036625

it is ...but polls remain polls ...

i was more interested in reading what Brian and his analysis will come out for poilievre ...

quote:

Originally posted by medved:
it is ...but polls remain polls ...

i was more interested in reading what Brian and his analysis will come out for poilievre ...

judging from "trump is a nazi" i expect "pierre is Mussolini "

quote:

Originally posted by wymple:

quote:

Originally posted by medved:
it is always hard to be ahead of time ...nobody will believe it ...

cant wait what you have to write about poilievre ....

Well it did get interesting, from a 26 point lead to trailing.

https://www.newsweek.com/canad...lection-poll-2036625

yeah, and YOU posted a poll that iowa was going to turn blue by 8 points -- but you believe in your echochamber, close enough

quote:

Originally posted by jeffeosso:

quote:

Originally posted by medved:
it is ...but polls remain polls ...

i was more interested in reading what Brian and his analysis will come out for poilievre ...

judging from "trump is a nazi" i expect "pierre is Mussolini "

on the rating mussolini was a socialist lol ... i do not know where on the scale is but he cant be a nazi up to the time he will kill people with his army for the reasons hitler did so maybe a matter of time or not i cant tell ...

pierre is certainly just a democrat on the us definition and he is a big supporter of the WEF so that will be better than trudeau but not that much at the end ... but still not interested in becoming slaves of usa in the 51 state lol

and, this texan, isn't interested in forced territory acquisition

mussolini was, in fact the first, real fascist -- but the left screams "Fascist" over EVERYTHING --

i am now immune to any *ist, *ism, *phobe for a reaction ..

hmmm, i wonder who could be franco?

oh, let me run with it, as we all KNOW who the "new" castro is

quote:

Originally posted by jeffeosso:
and, this texan, isn't interested in forced territory acquisition

mussolini was, in fact the first, real fascist -- but the left screams "Fascist" over EVERYTHING --

i am now immune to any *ist, *ism, *phobe for a reaction ..

hmmm, i wonder who could be franco?

oh, let me run with it, as we all KNOW who the "new" castro is

facism in europe especially during 1920-1945 was really hard to understand and we cannot say that mussolini was really on the hard right wing chess ... of course for communist he was ...

for franco that is interesting again as politically and economically he was certainly not hard right winger as in the same case as mussolini ... but both needed heavy strong hands to keep power. in the case of mussolini he even protected italians jews.

for castro we have his son here so i cant tell bt maybe your president in becoming the best ally of putin ...

just to be clear, spain was literally fascist until franco died in 75 -

abut, again, my point that fascism is authoritarian, not left or right - massive statism, massive government, repressive, etc ...

quote:

Originally posted by jeffeosso:
just to be clear, spain was literally fascist until franco died in 75 -

abut, again, my point that fascism is authoritarian, not left or right - massive statism, massive government, repressive, etc ...

you are right on that. and your country is getting there i imagine after what we ve seen today in vermont there is a chance that your country will use army and police to control unhappy people and this where start repression and massive control of population like putin started in 2013 before crimea invasion ...

medved,
the terrible thing is that where we see massive statism and statist control (that's fascism) is from left admins and states - only the left wants to limit the american 1st amendment -

under which potus did they force censorship, and of which side of the asile was it imposed on?

China-Flu - dis-information, except the CIA KNEW it came from the Wuhan lab

Hunter's laptop? - 100% factual

Biden's mental decline? for everyone on the planet to see, called "cheap fakes" of live, unedited footage -

one of the left's big deals is trimming government jobs, which has been done before, and on even larger scale (regardless of one incalcitrant's fantasy) - this is literally the opposite of fascism/statism -

our left and media labels everything they don't like as fascist and/or racist -- with a dash of "uneducated" (they could all the stupid liberal degrees as "educated") -

Even though Clinton and Obama (1st, 2nd, and 3rd terms) did and promised the same things --

I generally agree with Brian's assessment of Trump, but I have had to dismiss Brian as any kind of authority or even intelligent person after he mentioned that he favored or had a lot of respect for Harris.

It's kind of like watching an adult pick and eat his boogers, after that his opinions on culinary aren't so important.

quote:

Originally posted by jeffeosso:
medved,
the terrible thing is that where we see massive statism and statist control (that's fascism) is from left admins and states - only the left wants to limit the american 1st amendment -

under which potus did they force censorship, and of which side of the asile was it imposed on?

China-Flu - dis-information, except the CIA KNEW it came from the Wuhan lab

Hunter's laptop? - 100% factual

Biden's mental decline? for everyone on the planet to see, called "cheap fakes" of live, unedited footage -

one of the left's big deals is trimming government jobs, which has been done before, and on even larger scale (regardless of one incalcitrant's fantasy) - this is literally the opposite of fascism/statism -

our left and media labels everything they don't like as fascist and/or racist -- with a dash of "uneducated" (they could all the stupid liberal degrees as "educated") -

Even though Clinton and Obama (1st, 2nd, and 3rd terms) did and promised the same things --

i do hope and wish for you that im wrong but the events are not showing the right way and it is a slippery attraction i will say. let s pray that trump because he is not getting what he wants he will do like putin to ukraine with us ...

I have limited hope that trump will do the right thing -- limited --

quote:

Originally posted by Scott King:
I generally agree with Brian's assessment of Trump, but I have had to dismiss Brian as any kind of authority or even intelligent person after he mentioned that he favored or had a lot of respect for Harris.

It's kind of like watching an adult pick and eat his boogers, after that his opinions on culinary aren't so important.

I can't explain why. Nothing at all against Brian, for sure.
But that has to be one of the funniest posts Ive seen in a while.

quote:

Originally posted by jeffeosso:
I have limited hope that trump will do the right thing -- limited --

It's all we can do at this point. While Im critical of the current admin, Its nothing against the US people and im fervently wishing for a better outcome for their sake.

We gonna be just fine, we survived Biden so now it definitely looks brighter
I live here and I’m not worried
I get the fact Dems are freaking out but that’s political reality
World was addicted to US free money and that now ended
Bottom line is, let’s see what the future holds
Politicians come and go and people and the land stays

quote:

Originally posted by M.Shy:
We gonna be just fine, we survived Biden so now it definitely looks brighter
I live here and I’m not worried
I get the fact Dems are freaking out but that’s political reality
World was addicted to US free money and that now ended
Bottom line is, let’s see what the future holds
Politicians come and go and people and the land stays

Amazing to watch to Trumptards dismiss and minimalize the mess that Trump has made of our international alliances.

Bottom line, Trump is a fucking idiot that is embracing Russia who is our enemy while betraying our allies.

That is the bottom line, and it will take a very long time to repair those relationships, if they can be salvaged.

Morons like you will support Trump no matter how poor the policy.

just watch the first bit

how good are polls?

https://youtu.be/cCJcAzuG71U?si=iw5mjJM_6JdGFvXP

repeat and repeat: putin is supported by trump the us president while the rest of nato is telling the world that russia is still the enemy and despite all of this the followers of the cult of the supreme leader will explain you how good trump is lol

quote:

Originally posted by Brian Canada:
I used words like fascist and narcissist to warn you how bad it would be for all of us if Trump were president of the USA.

Obviously, that was a waist of time, most posters at that time didn't even know what a fascist is.

Well have a look now, google, Fascism - Wikipedia

And here is what a Narcissist is.

Narcissistic personality disorder is a mental health condition in which people have an unreasonably high sense of their own importance. They need and seek too much attention and want people to admire them. People with this disorder may lack the ability to understand or care about the feelings of others.

Thanks from Canada for sleeping though a decade of Trump destruction.

The only way that the destruction can stop now is if your government self destructs, implodes, or it goes right to the bottom like Nazi Germany.

But I suppose this post is a waist of time too.

Brian

Trump is certainly a narcissist--he's proved that for years.

And he certainly has fascist ambitions--calling for prosecution of political enemies and harrassing newspapers he doesn't like with government power.

He hasn't succeeded in imposing a fascist government yet...but I'm afraid he may be trying to do so.

I don't trust him any farther than I could throw him.

You guys remember Obama “ I will fundamentally change America “?
Not a pip squeek from Dems

Obama wasn't referring to grifting, division, or violating/ignoring the constitution, or making lying as normal as breathing.

Do you believe that the citizens of a democratic country get the government they deserve?
Is your Trump government screwing you now?

quote:

Originally posted by Brian Canada:
I used words like fascist and narcissist to warn you how bad it would be for all of us if Trump were president of the USA.

Obviously, that was a waist of time, most posters at that time didn't even know what a fascist is.

Brian

I too have used such words and more, explicitly with definitions, and have agreed with you since when. I too have been dismissed apparently on the premise that the use of those words in relation to Trumpism are mere opinions, and their opinions count just as much to nullify mine. Granted, narcissist seems easier to accept as true, based on evidence, and perhaps the implications aren't drama. It's easy to say all politicians are narcissistic and they all lie.

But all politicians are not all fascist wannabees or sycophants.

You ask a good question:

"Do you believe that the citizens of a democratic country get the government they deserve?"

Per a quick read, that question has been attributed to several philosophers, including Jefferson.

The implication is broad.

I won't cut & paste this answer, because IMO, it's too pat. The reason we got here in this Trumpism mess may be ignorance, or whatever, but foremost it is intentional and willful on the part of those who voted accordingly and support and/or make excuses for it.

If you want to read it here's the link: https://www.google.com/search?...IBwU&sclient=gws-wiz

Researching this provoked thought/question, it appears that the volume of writing on this topic over many years can be overwhelming to sort out.

Basically, IMO, we've lost our basic consensus of right and wrong regarding governance, thus Trumpism is/was welcomed by a majority.

That doesn't make it right. Does that make it Right? (edited for pun intended)

Re your second question "Is your Trump government screwing you now?" Consequentialism got Trump elected, so maybe it will also answer the right vs wrong question.

A question, for example: Has fascism, or to use a nicer word, authoritarianism, ever been a solution, for we the people, as a substitute for replacing liberal democracy?

While this topic/discussion is still active, I want to explain something.

First, consequentialism is basically measuring "good" or bad from the outcome or consequence of some action. Think - the end justifies the means.

Trump(ism) is a case study in why the end justifies the means is wrong up-front. We can predict the outcome from the corruption and perversion of the means.

This is so contrary to the founding principles, and so obvious.

============================================

There is a lot to uncover with this so, I'll continue ---

Here are some quotes:

I present them for thought. They represent two very different views on human nature and governance, and it seems to me to represent the contest we are in.

"In the Koran as in the Bible, politics is divinized, and human reason, crushed by the religious ascendancy, cannot insinuate its isolating and corrosive poison into the mechanisms of government, so that citizens are believers whose loyalty is exalted to faith, and obedience to enthusiasm and fanaticism."

"Human reason reduced to its own resources is perfectly worthless, not only for creating but also for preserving any political or religious association, because it only produces disputes, and, to conduct himself well, man needs not problems but beliefs. His cradle should be surrounded by dogmas, and when his reason is awakened, it should find all his opinions ready-made, at least all those relating to his conduct. Nothing is so important to him as prejudices. Let us not take this word in a bad sense. It does not necessarily mean false ideas, but only, in the strict sense of the word, opinions adopted before any examination. Now these sorts of opinions are man’s greatest need, the true elements of his happiness, and the Palladium of empires. Without them, there can be neither worship, nor morality, nor government. There must be a state religion just as there is a state policy; or, rather, religious and political dogmas must be merged and mingled together to form a complete common or national reason strong enough to repress the aberrations of individual reason, which of its nature is the mortal enemy of any association whatever because it produces only divergent opinions."

Joseph de Maistre (1 April 1753 – 26 February 1821)

Interestingly, he was born on April Fools day, and he thought monarchy was the best form of government.

Also, interestingly, Jefferson went with the philosophers Rousseau and Locke instead in forming the principles of the nation.

https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Jean-Jacques_Rousseau

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jean-Jacques_Rousseau

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Locke

So, contrast the above quotes with the secular principles of the constitution, and think of it as intentionally substituting reason for dogma and belief in governance. The Founders put a lot of faith in US. Was it misplaced?

Now, realize that Christian Nationalism bigly got Trump elected. That explains the O J syndrome and the desire to conflate church and state, and so much more.

IOW, Trumpism is a product of, consequence of, fomenting, perpetually, rather than forming stability out of chaos.

Magine.

Great post. Lots of insightful info.

Yes I am a reader, I will check out your link.

Reading your last paragraph I will venture to say that you might be interested in the book Primal Christianity by American author David Karchere.

Brian

PS. I got a lot out of this book, had to read it twice over the last six months. B

Question.

Do you think that the Trump government is sometimes disrespectful and even tries to screw the allied countries of the USA like Canada or Ukraine?

quote:

Originally posted by Brian Canada:
Question.

Do you think that the Trump government is sometimes disrespectful and even tries to screw the allied countries of the USA like Canada or Ukraine?

Yes.


A classless, no character bully!

That is all Trump is!

quote:

Originally posted by Brian Canada:
Magine.

Great post. Lots of insightful info.

Yes I am a reader, I will check out your link.

Reading your last paragraph I will venture to say that you might be interested in the book Primal Christianity by American author David Karchere.

Brian

PS. I got a lot out of this book, had to read it twice over the last six months. B

https://davidkarchere.com/blog...primal-christianity/

What Is Primal Christianity?
Written by David Karchere
on October 22, 2024

I read enough of the linked article to know that I'm interested and will read more.

I didn't know what to expect with the word "Primal", in this context. Did it mean primordial or primitive or fundamental? I already had a pre-conception of those words relating the Christianity, as in Primitive Baptist, holy rollers and such.

I'm glad to find out that Prime in Primal is what it's about.

quote:

Originally posted by Brian Canada:
Question.

Do you think that the Trump government is sometimes disrespectful and even tries to screw the allied countries of the USA like Canada or Ukraine?

I'll have to think about that some more, but off the top I think maybe disrespect or "trying", as intentionally, to screw allies is a byproduct or unintended outcome of something else.

I think maybe it's a tool first rather than for it's own sake such as outcome, simply disrespect or screwed.

That something else, the source, is a mixture of worldview, ideology, belief mostly fomented and false, lies and disinformation and manipulative media such as Fox or Newsmax, IOW, subject's vulnerability to manipulation due to inability to sort it out.

And regarding Trump's M O, zero-sum, transactional, leverage, who's holding what cards and how can that be "managed", such as withholding assistance to Ukraine whilst talking Putin's line of shit. With Trump it's bully politics, mob boss mentality, and again the Dark Tetrad character run amuck with the power of POTUS. He's about feeding that, and his sickophants think it's about them.

Magine Enigam,
Good points. Brian