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Originally posted by Mike Mitchell:

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Originally posted by jeffeosso:

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Originally posted by Mike Mitchell:
We need to let people in who want to work to improve their lives and take care of their families. For the love of God, how could anybody disagree with that?

Let these folks in and let them work.

I'm never going to be able to understand the resistance to that concept.

No one disagrees with doing this

LEGALLY

Would you let Bernie madoff keep is millions?

It's not a good analogy. These people make $15 bucks an hour.

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Originally posted by Mike Mitchell:
Couple of things.

US lets virtually nobody in across the border. Immigration law is crazy restrictive. There is basically no way into the US legally for most folks who want to come into the country.

But, it's easy to wade the river and come into the country and get a job that pays 10 times more than what they can earn in Mexico. They can feed their families and maybe even sock a little away.

Can you blame them?

We need to set up a system that let's them come into the country and work legally.

It's good for them. It's good for us. US employers would love it.

Why in the f*ck can we not figure this out?

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Originally posted by jeffeosso:
Let's look at absurdity of numbers. There're at least 30 million illegals in the country. They, at your stated 15 an hour, are making 120 dollars a day. Times 30 million is 3.6 BILLION per day, 720 billion per year. Makes Bernie look like a panhandler

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Originally posted by Mike Mitchell:

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Originally posted by jeffeosso:
Let's look at absurdity of numbers. There're at least 30 million illegals in the country. They, at your stated 15 an hour, are making 120 dollars a day. Times 30 million is 3.6 BILLION per day, 720 billion per year. Makes Bernie look like a panhandler

So, your argument is that agricultural owners would be better off without undocumented workers? WTF? Your numbers are interesting but they have sh!t to do with the discussion in the absence of some sort of proof they have something to do with ag production.

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Originally posted by Mike Mitchell:

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Originally posted by jeffeosso:
Let's look at absurdity of numbers. There're at least 30 million illegals in the country. They, at your stated 15 an hour, are making 120 dollars a day. Times 30 million is 3.6 BILLION per day, 720 billion per year. Makes Bernie look like a panhandler

So, your argument is that agricultural owners would be better off without undocumented workers? WTF? Your numbers are interesting but they have shit to do with the discussion in the absence of some sort of proof they have something to do with ag production.

Just a quick question Jeff. Who do you think would harvest the lettuce, cabbages, apples, etc. if not undocumented workers?

Your kid? My kid?

Who?

There is going to be some sort of miracle group of folks who pick these crops?

Chime in bro. You're on Pluto.

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Originally posted by jeffeosso:

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Originally posted by Mike Mitchell:

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Originally posted by jeffeosso:
Let's look at absurdity of numbers. There're at least 30 million illegals in the country. They, at your stated 15 an hour, are making 120 dollars a day. Times 30 million is 3.6 BILLION per day, 720 billion per year. Makes Bernie look like a panhandler

So, your argument is that agricultural owners would be better off without undocumented workers? WTF? Your numbers are interesting but they have sh!t to do with the discussion in the absence of some sort of proof they have something to do with ag production.

Not in the least. And you rattle me with bounding off in an entirely different direction. *i* haven't said anything word about people making monies off illegals.

The numbers reduce your arguement that Bernie shouldn't also be rewarded, for making some pocket money , which pales in comparison to what happens every year

Where did 30 million come from? As early as 86, the talking heads were saying 10-12 million illegals, and with Biden letting in at least 16million, and assuming that at least a couple million snuck in between 86 and 2021, 30 million is on the very conservative side of estimates

You do the math. 11,000 per day border interactions for 4 solid years. That's 10key level stuff, and I expect a learned lawyer can punch in the details

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Originally posted by Mike Mitchell:

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Originally posted by jeffeosso:

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Originally posted by Mike Mitchell:

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Originally posted by jeffeosso:
Let's look at absurdity of numbers. There're at least 30 million illegals in the country. They, at your stated 15 an hour, are making 120 dollars a day. Times 30 million is 3.6 BILLION per day, 720 billion per year. Makes Bernie look like a panhandler

So, your argument is that agricultural owners would be better off without undocumented workers? WTF? Your numbers are interesting but they have sh!t to do with the discussion in the absence of some sort of proof they have something to do with ag production.

Not in the least. And you rattle me with bounding off in an entirely different direction. *i* haven't said anything word about people making monies off illegals.

The numbers reduce your arguement that Bernie shouldn't also be rewarded, for making some pocket money , which pales in comparison to what happens every year

Where did 30 million come from? As early as 86, the talking heads were saying 10-12 million illegals, and with Biden letting in at least 16million, and assuming that at least a couple million snuck in between 86 and 2021, 30 million is on the very conservative side of estimates

You do the math. 11,000 per day border interactions for 4 solid years. That's 10key level stuff, and I expect a learned lawyer can punch in the details

Who is gonna pick the crop?

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Originally posted by Mike Mitchell:

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Originally posted by jeffeosso:
Let's look at absurdity of numbers. There're at least 30 million illegals in the country. They, at your stated 15 an hour, are making 120 dollars a day. Times 30 million is 3.6 BILLION per day, 720 billion per year. Makes Bernie look like a panhandler

agriculture and hotel/restaurants are the locations that trump woll not touch while chasing all the illegals running the economy ... wonder how the rich economy of texas without all the illegals ...

So, your argument is that agricultural owners would be better off without undocumented workers? WTF? Your numbers are interesting but they have shit to do with the discussion in the absence of some sort of proof they have something to do with ag production.

Just a quick question Jeff. Who do you think would harvest the lettuce, cabbages, apples, etc. if not undocumented workers?

Your kid? My kid?

Who?

There is going to be some sort of miracle group of folks who pick these crops?

Chime in bro. You're on Pluto.

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Originally posted by kweber:
a nation of legal immigrants...
that "legal" thing is the trick....

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Originally posted by Saeed:

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Originally posted by kweber:
a nation of legal immigrants...
that "legal" thing is the trick....

Bullshit!

The Red Indians did not want the undesirables of Europe.

You invaded their country, and occupied it.

Even now the poor sods are living in "reservations"!

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Originally posted by jeffeosso:
Even supply side stevie

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Originally posted by Mike Mitchell:

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Originally posted by jeffeosso:

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Originally posted by Mike Mitchell:

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Originally posted by jeffeosso:
Let's look at absurdity of numbers. There're at least 30 million illegals in the country. They, at your stated 15 an hour, are making 120 dollars a day. Times 30 million is 3.6 BILLION per day, 720 billion per year. Makes Bernie look like a panhandler

So, your argument is that agricultural owners would be better off without undocumented workers? WTF? Your numbers are interesting but they have sh!t to do with the discussion in the absence of some sort of proof they have something to do with ag production.

Not in the least. And you rattle me with bounding off in an entirely different direction. *i* haven't said anything word about people making monies off illegals.

The numbers reduce your arguement that Bernie shouldn't also be rewarded, for making some pocket money , which pales in comparison to what happens every year

Where did 30 million come from? As early as 86, the talking heads were saying 10-12 million illegals, and with Biden letting in at least 16million, and assuming that at least a couple million snuck in between 86 and 2021, 30 million is on the very conservative side of estimates

You do the math. 11,000 per day border interactions for 4 solid years. That's 10key level stuff, and I expect a learned lawyer can punch in the details

Who is gonna pick the crop? Talk to me. You know I am right.

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Originally posted by theback40:
Mike, there is not one ounce of hate in my posts. You are projecting that.
I am discussing things I dont understand from the other side, you reply with emotion.
If a team showed up in my dooryard wearing SWAT vests, and I start disobeying orders, and struggling, I expect to get beat on too. ICE officers wear vests with who they are, there is no way that is not recognized.
Because you dont want to read up on stolen SS numbers, does not mean it isnt happening, with consequences for the proper owners.
We are a nation of immigrants and of laws. If the courts rule someone stays, they should stay, period.
It is not that hard for proper farm and hospitality workers to come in. Every year they come to pick apples. Nice folks, everyone in the small towns appreciate them, talk to them. They use an agency, work for X months of their contract. They go home with enough money to not work until next season.
I know several women, locals, that work in the big ski areas. The immigrants that work there too, all come through agencies. Some come every year, and rotate back home to come again ASAP.
The whole process should be streamlined, better background checks from the home countries would help. Congress should get off their ass.
But Biden open borders was not a plan at all, and a big reason Trump is back in office. The polls are still saying it's his highest approval point.

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Originally posted by JTEX:

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Originally posted by Saeed:

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Originally posted by kweber:
a nation of legal immigrants...
that "legal" thing is the trick....

Bullshit!

The Red Indians did not want the undesirables of Europe.

You invaded their country, and occupied it.

Even now the poor sods are living in "reservations"!

The " red indians" where stone age imbeciles like your people.....

By the time we got to your people....we decided to give the stone age some charity/pity......

You are the result of our pity........


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Originally posted by RolandtheHeadless:
No, you just flushed out a bigot.