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American exceptionalism and leadership

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Mollie Hemingway of The Federalist:
I insist on having a diverse Twitter feed and I'm telling you, the story the media and other Democrats are telling is that this MSG rally is a hatefest. It's just straight up propaganda. I know they're panicking, but the lies are just awful to behold.

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Originally posted by Duane Wiebe (CG&R):
Can't help but notice a concern about pee pee size

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Originally posted by Duane Wiebe (CG&R):
Can't help but notice a concern about pee pee size

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Originally posted by Tumbleweed:

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Originally posted by Duane Wiebe (CG&R):
Can't help but notice a concern about pee pee size

Really, what’s that about? A Presidential candidate discussing a deceased athlete’s penis size at a public election rally?

Not something a normal person would do, for sure.

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Originally posted by Mike Mitchell:
Naw, it was a love-fest....just like all trump/republican events. Inclusiveness, welcoming, etc.

But, most of all truthful....as evidenced by this fact-check:

Here are eight claims we fact-checked, leading with four about immigration.

Immigration
Trump said Harris “has imported criminal migrants from prisons and jails, insane asylums and mental institutions from all around the world, from Venezuela to the Congo”.
Pants on Fire! There is no evidence that countries are emptying their prisons – or mental institutions – and sending people to illegally migrate to the US.

Immigration officials arrested about 108,000 non-citizens with criminal convictions (whether in the US or abroad) from fiscal years 2021 to 2024, federal data shows. That accounts for people stopped at and between ports of entry. Not everyone was let in.

Trump said: “I will invoke the Alien Enemies Act of 1798.”
Legal experts told PolitiFact that Trump does not have the authority to use the law to carry out mass deportations and that invoking it would lead to legal challenges.

The Alien Enemies Act lets a president quickly deport noncitizens without due process if they are from a country at war with the US.

The law has been used only three times in US history, all during wartime. The last time the act was invoked was during World War II, and it was used to place non-citizens from Japan, Germany and Italy in internment camps.

Trump said: “Think of this: 325,000 children are missing, dead, sex slaves, or slaves. They came through the open border and they’re gone.”
This is a distortion of federal data about migrant children.

An August federal oversight report about unaccompanied minors released from federal government custody said Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) had not served a “Notice to Appear” to more than 291,000 unaccompanied minors, as of May. (A notice to appear is a charging document authorities issue and file in immigration court to start removal proceedings.)

The report said unaccompanied children “who do not appear for court are considered at higher risk for trafficking, exploitation, or forced labour”. The report does not state how many children have actually been trafficked.

The report led Republican legislators and conservative news outlets to say that ICE “lost” the children or that they are “missing”. But that is not what it said.

Trump said Harris “vowed to abolish” US Immigration and Customs Enforcement
False.

As a US senator in 2018, Kamala Harris criticised the Trump administration’s immigration policies, including a policy that led to family separations at the border. In that context, Harris said US ICE’s function should be re-examined and that “we need to probably even think about starting from scratch.” But Harris did not say there should not be immigration enforcement. In 2018, Harris also said ICE had a role and should exist.

Economy
Trump said Harris “cast the deciding vote that launched the worst inflation in the history of our country. She cost the typical American family over $3,000 in a short period, but over $30,000 over the last three years”.
Mostly False. Harris cast the tie-breaking vote on the motion to proceed to a final Senate vote on the 2021 American Rescue Plan Act, a coronavirus pandemic relief bill.

An ideologically diverse cross-section of economists agrees that the American Rescue Plan added a couple of percentage points to inflation, but did not cause the wider spike. The primary causes, they say, were supply chain disruptions from the pandemic and Russia’s invasion of Ukraine.

Year-over-year inflation peaked in 2022 at about 9 percent. That made it the worst annual rate in 40 years, but not the worst in US history.

The $28,000 increase is a credible estimate of the extra amount that households have paid for purchases since Biden took office. But that figure ignores that wage gains have evened out much – or depending on the timeframe, all – of those increased costs.

LGBTQ+ issues
Trump said Harris “called for free sex change operations on illegal aliens in detention at taxpayer expense”.
The statement needs clarification, so we rated it Mostly True.

Harris’s history on this topic goes back to when she was California’s attorney general and represented the state’s corrections department as it sought to block a lower court order requiring the agency to provide gender-affirming surgery to a transgender inmate.

During her run for president in the 2019 Democratic primary, Harris said she favoured access to gender-affirming surgery for people in prisons and immigration detention. Harris has not campaigned on this issue in 2024, but when asked about it during a Fox News interview on October 16, she said: “I will follow the law.”

Federal law requires that prisons provide necessary medical care to inmates, and several courts have ruled that gender-affirming care, including surgery, is included. Despite these court rulings, access to gender-affirming surgery in prisons is limited, and the number of transgender prisoners in federal prisons who have received it is minuscule – two.

We found no record of gender-affirming surgeries being provided in immigration detention.

Trump said Harris “pledged to confiscate your guns” and “endorsed a total ban on handgun ownership”.
This distorts Harris’s current stance.

As a 2019 presidential primary candidate, Harris said: “I support a mandatory gun buyback programme” for assault weapons. She no longer supports this policy, which would not have applied to handguns, the most popular firearms.

The Harris campaign told The New York Times that she supports banning assault weapons but not a requirement to sell them to the federal government. As vice president, Harris has urged states to pass red flag laws and supported federal gun safety legislation that included funding for mental health and school security resources.

There is evidence that she supported a gun ban, but that was limited to one city nearly 20 years ago. In 2005 when Harris was the San Francisco district attorney, she supported a ballot measure that would have banned city residents from owning handguns. Voters approved the measure, but the courts struck it down.

Trump said: “Your crime is through the roof” and that newly released statistics showed that “crime was up 45 percent” under the Biden-Harris administration.

Trump may have meant to say 4.5 percent, a figure that has been cited in some media accounts sympathetic to Trump. But even that lower figure would be misleading.

This comment was part of a discussion by Trump of an exchange he had with ABC News’ David Muir during the September 10 presidential debate in Philadelphia, in which Muir said crime had declined and Trump insisted that crime had risen.

In general, FBI annual data has shown a decline in violent crime from 2020 to 2023. Multiple nongovernmental crime statistics analyses also found violent crime declined in 2023 and 2024.

In October, it was reported that the FBI had updated its violent crime data to be more complete, a standard annual process. The updated data led some commentators to say this meant crime had increased between 2021 and 2022; rather than being down by 2.1 percent, some said, it was up by 4.5 percnt between those two years, with thousands of new violent crimes.

However, crime experts including Jeff Asher of JH Analytics said this is a statistical artefact.

That is because the baseline for this comparison is the data for 2021, which Asher and other crime experts say is unreliable because the FBI switched crime reporting systems that year and compliance by local police departments plummeted. (The problem has been fixed in the annual data for later years.)

Asher described the revisions released in October as unusually large, and for unclear reasons. But he wrote that “the FBI’s 2023 estimates show a continued small decline in violent crime with a historically large decline in murder.”

https://www.aljazeera.com/news...lly-in-new-york-city

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Originally posted by ledvm:

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Originally posted by Mike Mitchell:
Naw, it was a love-fest....just like all trump/republican events. Inclusiveness, welcoming, etc.

But, most of all truthful....as evidenced by this fact-check:

Here are eight claims we fact-checked, leading with four about immigration.

Immigration
Trump said Harris “has imported criminal migrants from prisons and jails, insane asylums and mental institutions from all around the world, from Venezuela to the Congo”.
Pants on Fire! There is no evidence that countries are emptying their prisons – or mental institutions – and sending people to illegally migrate to the US.

Immigration officials arrested about 108,000 non-citizens with criminal convictions (whether in the US or abroad) from fiscal years 2021 to 2024, federal data shows. That accounts for people stopped at and between ports of entry. Not everyone was let in.

Trump said: “I will invoke the Alien Enemies Act of 1798.”
Legal experts told PolitiFact that Trump does not have the authority to use the law to carry out mass deportations and that invoking it would lead to legal challenges.

The Alien Enemies Act lets a president quickly deport noncitizens without due process if they are from a country at war with the US.

The law has been used only three times in US history, all during wartime. The last time the act was invoked was during World War II, and it was used to place non-citizens from Japan, Germany and Italy in internment camps.

Trump said: “Think of this: 325,000 children are missing, dead, sex slaves, or slaves. They came through the open border and they’re gone.”
This is a distortion of federal data about migrant children.

An August federal oversight report about unaccompanied minors released from federal government custody said Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) had not served a “Notice to Appear” to more than 291,000 unaccompanied minors, as of May. (A notice to appear is a charging document authorities issue and file in immigration court to start removal proceedings.)

The report said unaccompanied children “who do not appear for court are considered at higher risk for trafficking, exploitation, or forced labour”. The report does not state how many children have actually been trafficked.

The report led Republican legislators and conservative news outlets to say that ICE “lost” the children or that they are “missing”. But that is not what it said.

Trump said Harris “vowed to abolish” US Immigration and Customs Enforcement
False.

As a US senator in 2018, Kamala Harris criticised the Trump administration’s immigration policies, including a policy that led to family separations at the border. In that context, Harris said US ICE’s function should be re-examined and that “we need to probably even think about starting from scratch.” But Harris did not say there should not be immigration enforcement. In 2018, Harris also said ICE had a role and should exist.

Economy
Trump said Harris “cast the deciding vote that launched the worst inflation in the history of our country. She cost the typical American family over $3,000 in a short period, but over $30,000 over the last three years”.
Mostly False. Harris cast the tie-breaking vote on the motion to proceed to a final Senate vote on the 2021 American Rescue Plan Act, a coronavirus pandemic relief bill.

An ideologically diverse cross-section of economists agrees that the American Rescue Plan added a couple of percentage points to inflation, but did not cause the wider spike. The primary causes, they say, were supply chain disruptions from the pandemic and Russia’s invasion of Ukraine.

Year-over-year inflation peaked in 2022 at about 9 percent. That made it the worst annual rate in 40 years, but not the worst in US history.

The $28,000 increase is a credible estimate of the extra amount that households have paid for purchases since Biden took office. But that figure ignores that wage gains have evened out much – or depending on the timeframe, all – of those increased costs.

LGBTQ+ issues
Trump said Harris “called for free sex change operations on illegal aliens in detention at taxpayer expense”.
The statement needs clarification, so we rated it Mostly True.

Harris’s history on this topic goes back to when she was California’s attorney general and represented the state’s corrections department as it sought to block a lower court order requiring the agency to provide gender-affirming surgery to a transgender inmate.

During her run for president in the 2019 Democratic primary, Harris said she favoured access to gender-affirming surgery for people in prisons and immigration detention. Harris has not campaigned on this issue in 2024, but when asked about it during a Fox News interview on October 16, she said: “I will follow the law.”

Federal law requires that prisons provide necessary medical care to inmates, and several courts have ruled that gender-affirming care, including surgery, is included. Despite these court rulings, access to gender-affirming surgery in prisons is limited, and the number of transgender prisoners in federal prisons who have received it is minuscule – two.

We found no record of gender-affirming surgeries being provided in immigration detention.

Trump said Harris “pledged to confiscate your guns” and “endorsed a total ban on handgun ownership”.
This distorts Harris’s current stance.

As a 2019 presidential primary candidate, Harris said: “I support a mandatory gun buyback programme” for assault weapons. She no longer supports this policy, which would not have applied to handguns, the most popular firearms.

The Harris campaign told The New York Times that she supports banning assault weapons but not a requirement to sell them to the federal government. As vice president, Harris has urged states to pass red flag laws and supported federal gun safety legislation that included funding for mental health and school security resources.

There is evidence that she supported a gun ban, but that was limited to one city nearly 20 years ago. In 2005 when Harris was the San Francisco district attorney, she supported a ballot measure that would have banned city residents from owning handguns. Voters approved the measure, but the courts struck it down.

Trump said: “Your crime is through the roof” and that newly released statistics showed that “crime was up 45 percent” under the Biden-Harris administration.

Trump may have meant to say 4.5 percent, a figure that has been cited in some media accounts sympathetic to Trump. But even that lower figure would be misleading.

This comment was part of a discussion by Trump of an exchange he had with ABC News’ David Muir during the September 10 presidential debate in Philadelphia, in which Muir said crime had declined and Trump insisted that crime had risen.

In general, FBI annual data has shown a decline in violent crime from 2020 to 2023. Multiple nongovernmental crime statistics analyses also found violent crime declined in 2023 and 2024.

In October, it was reported that the FBI had updated its violent crime data to be more complete, a standard annual process. The updated data led some commentators to say this meant crime had increased between 2021 and 2022; rather than being down by 2.1 percent, some said, it was up by 4.5 percnt between those two years, with thousands of new violent crimes.

However, crime experts including Jeff Asher of JH Analytics said this is a statistical artefact.

That is because the baseline for this comparison is the data for 2021, which Asher and other crime experts say is unreliable because the FBI switched crime reporting systems that year and compliance by local police departments plummeted. (The problem has been fixed in the annual data for later years.)

Asher described the revisions released in October as unusually large, and for unclear reasons. But he wrote that “the FBI’s 2023 estimates show a continued small decline in violent crime with a historically large decline in murder.”

https://www.aljazeera.com/news...lly-in-new-york-city

Maybe you should spend more time researching your own candidate instead of voting blindly.

I personally heard Kami state police officers were killed at the Capitol on J6. Is that a lie?

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Originally posted by ledvm:

Maybe you should spend more time researching your own candidate instead of voting blindly.

I personally heard Kami state police officers were killed at the Capitol on J6. Is that a lie?

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Originally posted by Mike Mitchell:
You'll vote for a child molester before you'll vote for a Democrat.

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One Capitol Police officer, Brian D. Sicknick, was killed, and investigators are increasingly focused on whether chemical irritants were a factor in his death, according to a senior law enforcement official. The Capitol Police said in a statement that Officer Sicknick died from injuries sustained “while physically engaging with protesters.” Two officers involved in the response have died by suicide, the local police have said.

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Brian Sicknick died of natural causes after suffering two strokes caused by a blood clot, as determined by the Washington, D.C., medical examiner's office. The autopsy found no evidence of external or internal injuries, and it ruled that his death was not brought on by any injury sustained during the January 6 insurrection.

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Originally posted by jeffeosso:

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Originally posted by Mike Mitchell:
You'll vote for a child molester before you'll vote for a Democrat.

Epstien, prince Andrew, and slick willy are not on the ballot, mike

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Originally posted by frankinthelaurels:
Madison Square seems to bring the real Nazi's out...some sick fucks there and laughing...

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Originally posted by ledvm:

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One Capitol Police officer, Brian D. Sicknick, was killed, and investigators are increasingly focused on whether chemical irritants were a factor in his death, according to a senior law enforcement official. The Capitol Police said in a statement that Officer Sicknick died from injuries sustained “while physically engaging with protesters.” Two officers involved in the response have died by suicide, the local police have said.

That^^^is inherently a lie ME.

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Brian Sicknick died of natural causes after suffering two strokes caused by a blood clot, as determined by the Washington, D.C., medical examiner's office. The autopsy found no evidence of external or internal injuries, and it ruled that his death was not brought on by any injury sustained during the January 6 insurrection.

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Originally posted by Mike Mitchell:

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Originally posted by ledvm:

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One Capitol Police officer, Brian D. Sicknick, was killed, and investigators are increasingly focused on whether chemical irritants were a factor in his death, according to a senior law enforcement official. The Capitol Police said in a statement that Officer Sicknick died from injuries sustained “while physically engaging with protesters.” Two officers involved in the response have died by suicide, the local police have said.

That^^^is inherently a lie ME.

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Brian Sicknick died of natural causes after suffering two strokes caused by a blood clot, as determined by the Washington, D.C., medical examiner's office. The autopsy found no evidence of external or internal injuries, and it ruled that his death was not brought on by any injury sustained during the January 6 insurrection.

Stop defending sedition. It makes you look like...a seditionist.

Truly, what is your point? J6 was OK because no police officers were killed? Fucking idiot.

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I guess pointing out that Kami runs around spewing a blatant lie angers you!

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Originally posted by Magine Enigam:

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I guess pointing out that Kami runs around spewing a blatant lie angers you!

My guess is that your credibility is hanging on by a thread.

Comments like "Kami runs around spewing a blatant lie", truth to you, is nothing more than making a big deal out of a mistake.

The article I linked from NYT was written in July 2021 from the best information available then. I don't know the source or time published of your quote. I presume it was later.

Anyway, I forgive her for her mistake.

I do not forgive Trump because his multitude of lies and threats, etc., are not mistakes.

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Originally posted by tomahawker:
One candidate was elected to run for potus.
One candidate was installed.

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Originally posted by Duane Wiebe (CG&R):
Can't help but notice a concern about pee pee size

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Originally posted by ledvm:

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Originally posted by Magine Enigam:

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I guess pointing out that Kami runs around spewing a blatant lie angers you!

My guess is that your credibility is hanging on by a thread.

Comments like "Kami runs around spewing a blatant lie", truth to you, is nothing more than making a big deal out of a mistake.

The article I linked from NYT was written in July 2021 from the best information available then. I don't know the source or time published of your quote. I presume it was later.

Anyway, I forgive her for her mistake.

I do not forgive Trump because his multitude of lies and threats, etc., are not mistakes.

What I quoted was from the autopsy report. That was known years ago…for certain…not even debatable.

It also reveals how biased your news sources are or just how uninformed you actually are. There was a thread here on the topic in which the truth was born out.

Kami is a liar. And lying over something like an officer’s death.

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Originally posted by Saeed:

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Originally posted by Duane Wiebe (CG&R):
Can't help but notice a concern about pee pee size

Trump paid lots of money to a past call girl he met.

He had to pay extra after she asked “is it in yet?”

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Originally posted by ledvm:
At least we agree that almost all politicians lie and we have red-handed proof of Kami telling a bad one.

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Originally posted by Jefffive:

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Originally posted by ledvm:
At least we agree that almost all politicians lie and we have red-handed proof of Kami telling a bad one.

Trumps lies are like Costco, they come on pallets.

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Originally posted by ledvm:
At least we agree that almost all politicians lie and we have red-handed proof of Kami telling a bad one.