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No, not in the least and not a Trump fan but a huge fan of the truth. Political violence has been increasing on both sides of the political spectrum, it is wrong and needs to stop. Murder is murder, no person no matter the views that they hold deserves to be unjustly taken from this world. So simple, a caveman could understand it....or not. | |||
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Please list the political violence that you attribute to the American "left". BTW, just remember that the US does not have a true "left". Obama and Biden and far right of any other global politician considered liberal. Bernie sanders and AOC are just middle road Democratic Socialists line in Europe. Also remember that the US has a 250 year history of Far right bigotry and racism.
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And yet, in that 250 yr history, we never resorted to child sacrifices to bring ourselves "money or luck" | |||
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In the U.S., Attila the Hun would be considered left leaning… | |||
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The Scalesse shooting, the attempted shooting of Kavanaugh, two attempts on Trump's life, aspects of the Floyd riots such as the 2020 murder in Oregon by an ANTIFA member. There are plenty more, those just popped into my head. It is undeniable....both sides engage in political violence and it is always wrong. | |||
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Are you blind of stupid or both? You and your Trumpkins sacrifice millions of children each year on the alter of your almighty $$$. How many kids do you kill by denying social security & health care? How many kids do you separate from their parent in the hate filled eviction of immigrants? How many kids do you kill with you illegal drug trade? How many kids do you kill with your arms trade?
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And yet, not one of those is the same as chopping off a child's head for prosperities sake. Such a superior culture. | |||
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UviR7ruxczw Watch that. You want to insult an entire civilisation! Go figure.
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Cant watch it, you tube shit doesnt work for me. Why not just deflect some more instead of admitting what a horrible practice your civilized culture has. | |||
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While Americans might disagree about specifics, we all generically agree that we did things in the past that were not good, and that we try and do better. Contrast that with your defense of indefensible practices in your home culture. | |||
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that not what i said or wrote: i lived 6 coups in africa and sometimes with less people than what happened in your country but sometimes way more but most of the time a lot of noise not that much victims and transition with some trials and executions ... c est l afrique or this is africa if you prefer ... | |||
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like usual it was misunderstood during his living time lol | |||
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The OP and the entire discussion is ridiculous. J6 tells you everything you need to know about who is more violent. trumptard whackos willing to try to overturn the result of a general election by rioting and taking over the Capital Building of the United States by force. Setting fires, knocking windows out, beating police officers, stealing property from the offices of elected officials. It's totally bizarre and ridiculous that we're even having the discussion about who is more willing to use political violence. And, willing to use violence to try to seize power after a general election. Antithetical to democracy. | |||
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there is still people in your country disagreeing with the movement of freedom of the 60s and are for segregation back ... | |||
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Show me one example of me justifying such practice. Once again - moral compass Doc. Your culture also had canibals and currently has the worlds largest global exploitation industry of women and children. Your culture also has the most cynically cruel economic systems in history. Just stick to the topic.
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You hit the nail with that post! If we're counting the number of people involved in acts of political violence, the Republicans win by a landslide. In terms of number of separate incidents, I think the two sides are about equal. Both have their share of violent psychopaths. But the majorities of both parties aren't responsible for the acts of solo psychopaths in their midst. | |||
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The ORANGE MAGA TURD is reaching new heights in corruption! He is using government departs to silence those who oppose his fascist agenda! The sad part is many are a cheering him on! | |||
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No justifying, but you refuse to condemn it. I asked you to over and over, and you dodged. Does your culture mean everything you do is above reproach, nothing to be changed. | |||
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I did not say you said it. Just wanted information of the six coups you were familiar with | |||
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oh i lived in CAR. most of the time it was putcsh so military switching over and sometimes just to get money from france to get their payrolls running so just big noise but not too close from french legion headquarters ... | |||
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I was in Somalia and Angola. The dead I saw didnt make much noise. | |||
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You’ve defended the caste system in India by trying to claim it’s just occupational relationships. You refused to condemn the child sacrifices done in the past and try to claim the lack of socialism in the US is just as bad. The claim that the US had cannibals as a cultural phenomenon is news to me. Sure there were criminals like Dahmer and folks who were in severe situations like the folks in the Donner pass, and I recall more in the sense of Western Europe in medieval and renaissance times thinking that mummy dust was somehow medicinal, but that wasn’t “cannibalism” as much as some wierd sort of medical belief like the east does with rhinos and tigers and pangolins. I wouldn’t discount some groups doing it, but it was never a widespread accepted practice. I am sticking to the topic. I don’t agree that the US is in any way worse than any other culture or nation over time.
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Doc You have lost your logical capabilities along with your moral compass. You seem to have lost the concept of TRUTH when you decided to align with with MAGA values. 1. I never "defended" the caste system as you claim. I expect HONESTY from you in a civil debate. I have pointed several times that before colonialism, the caste system was a functional social system that the colonial system corrupted. I have recommended that you read history but you choose not to. Falsely accusing me does not make your position right. 2. I have never condoned child sacrifice. I have condemned it many times. Again, dishonesty and lies from you and others. You and your MAGA cohorts have the audacity to try and tarnish me with a minute fringe historical footnote that I NEVER raised ever. Typical of Far Right propaganda, you use Inductive logic in a perverted manner to try and objectify a lie. Do you and your cohorts condone Pedophilia as trum raped a 13 year old with Epstein? Why do you defend all the lies and evil of Trump and the GOP? I deliberately used the calibalism hyperbolic exaggeration to highlight the ridiculous fallacy of misused Inductive logic. 3. European culture was a primitive culture thousands of years behind Indian, Sumarian, Egyptian, Arabic, Chinese etc cultures. That is the truth. That is history. You and your MAGA bigots are trying to use false narratives to insult and discredit me. 4. The rest of the world I'd appalled with the US, Trump, GOP, and the current political canvas in the US. They are laughing at you. They are shocked at the way people like you are your MAGA cohorts have degenerated into such a cesspool of falsehood and corruption that has not been seen in human history at this scale and magnitude for a long time. Given the size of the US economy and it global influence, the current US political climate is the worst in human history. I know the response I will get "When the wind stops....start rowing. When the wind starts, get the sail up quick." | |||
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well before the chaos started in any coup it is full of noise then it stops. i was in somalia as well to help during UNITAF but i did not recall coup there but fair enough civilians were victims of starvation and militia ... | |||
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Honesty? You did not condemn it. You stated it was mostly an occupational statement. In other words, you marginalized it’s inhumanity to the folks at the bottom, and given your statements you are/were being hypocritical. Are you trying to say that an untouchable in India has the same opportunities as a black sharecropper’s kid here? That would be news to the Indian colleagues I have who emigrated here a lot more recently than you emigrated to NZ. Did the Europeans exploit it? Absolutely. That they were able to despite being outnumbered at least 100,000 to 1 says something about its inherent issues. That you in essence say that the Europeans made the Indians do it is defending it. As to condemning Indian child sacrifice, I sure didn’t see you condemn it. You stated that the US is currently worse. That’s not condemnation, that is minimization, and inaccurate minimization at that. As to condemning Trump if he had relations with a 13 year old, absolutely. However, just because you claim he did doesn’t make it a fact. Do I think he would have slept with a 16 year old who was claiming to be 18 despite being married? I would say it fits in with his behavior, but that a blanket claim without proof is what? By the way, sex between an over 30 man and an under 18 woman in India is not culturally normative there? I thought disparate age arraigned marriage was not unusual, at least in the upper castes until relatively recently? Not quite the same thing, but “pedophilia” claims are cultural as to where you draw the line. The point is you point fingers and cry hypocrite all the time, but refuse to make a clean slate of it yourself. I know you have rejected more than a little of traditional Indian culture by your moving elsewhere and your Christian faith- but your knee jerk defense of a culture that is substantially behind the accepted world norms rather than acknowledging you (collectively) could do better and pointing out how they have progressed and have done better would be the logical path. In many ways, India was way ahead of Western Europe in the 1400’s. So why did they call so far behind? It wasn’t because the Europeans plundered India. India was a static culture until the colonial era when they started comparing themselves to the west, and disliking their subservient position. I can’t say I blame them for disliking their subservient Raj and the British colonial system, and the fact that they were subject to the British was in no way right or deserved, but to hear you say it, there was no field in which India was not ahead of Europe, yet they still lost and were subject to a extreme minority. Why? The simple answer is India was not intellectually or culturally ahead or dominant over the west at the time of colonial rule. (Before and now are very different). That they were and are a great culture and an industrious people is true. They didn’t deserve what the British did to them, but that’s a different argument than dominance. The English had might, not right. That other cultures were ahead in the distant past says what about now? As to the rest of the world being appalled by Trump, I suspect that the majority are not. They are more concerned with local issues than what happens here. In any case, self determination rules. It doesn’t matter what the rest of the world thinks, it matters what the US voters think. And yes, at this point, most of the voters don’t like his behavior. However, until the democrats put up a better solution and win an election, I don’t see him leaving for a few years yet.
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Doc Please go back to the OP. You jumped in and supported an idiot taking the thread off topic. Now it becomes a thread of US & European culture versus Indian culture . Go figure. You miss the point 1. This West versus Indian culture was injected only to attack and discredit my arguments and to side tract the evils of current US far right culture. That has nothing to do with me or Indian culture. Period 2. I have already suggested many times that you need to really get your facts right about Indian history. Please do that before making such ridiculous assertions. The British violated all forms of treaties and agreements with various Princely states and local kings. The only way the British East India company (not the British crown) managed to control and plunder India was through devious treachery. There was NOTHING superior about British culture or technology. That is evidenced by ALL European colonialism having failed to improve the conditions of local populations where ever it was established. You need to stick to the OP. The OP was a lie. Nothing else. The far right politics of the US is far more violent and corrupt. No attempt to side track the issue by attacking me or Indian culture will make a difference. Simple. BTW, now that Trump is trying to arm twist India in different ways (tariffs , H-1B visa etc.) the corruption is becoming even more obvious. Now that the BRICS countries are consolidating their trade alliances and even expanding it, the decline of the US is accelerating. I will not be surprised if many Indians in the US start going back to India. There is already a strong lobby encouraging just such a move. The American RIGHT is an evil that is violent towards ALL humanity. The US is DOOMED. FINISHED. This is ONLY because the ignorant people decided to follow Right wing policies and values. "When the wind stops....start rowing. When the wind starts, get the sail up quick." | |||
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do not on the politics as your country is killing opponents in canada ... modi is not perfect either ... | |||
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You said insurrection- interrupting the normal business of government. If the 1/6 rioters all deserved to be shot regardless of physical threat the individual posed, then any other person disrupting government proceedings should be. That would fall under play stupid games, get stupid prizes. Do I think the Democrat’s stunt was violent? No. But there should have been a price for it. Members of congress should not be protesting. They have the power to actually do something. Spare me your outrage about how one was worse than the other. I’m personally OK with changing the rules to all interference with government proceedings in the Capitol being subject to deadly force… if they change the laws to such and enforce it. As it is, whether it was a riot or an insurrection is all in the eye of the beholder.
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And you had previously said that the Indian principalities had invented all forms of political deviancy. If they were so superior they would have beat the EIC at its own game and thrown the British out. The Brit’s lied, cheated, broke agreements, used force, etc. They did wrong. Why didn’t the Indian states rally and boot them out? Logistically, the English could not have killed enough people to stop even an unarmed mob of tens of thousands of people. Simply put, the Indians would rather be enslaved by the British than work together at that time. Sounds like a failed society when put that way, doesn’t it? By the time of Gandhi, the British had modern warfare capabilities and a portion of the populace still supported them, but the majority did not and that resulted in the decolonization that India won for itself. As I see it, the fact that you don’t get that is part and parcel of how your worldview is so skewed that you think that the American right is evil, let alone the (apparently as it’s the only thing you go on about as evil) worst evil in the world according to you. Sorry, I find a lot of things in the world worse than western civilization and capitalism. As far as I’m concerned, India has a right to conduct its own affairs as it sees fit, for its own benefit. Kindly extend us the same courtesy. If the US is doomed and finished, you and your countrymen better start learning Chinese.
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Naki throws shit on everyone else, but gets his tits in a wringer about his own country. He did not condemn child sacrifice when I asked over and over. He only deflected. As for Samolia medhead. When siad Barre collapsed in 91, Al shabaad pushed coup after coup on the various clans to bring them under their control. The dead were everywhere. Children rounded up to be used as child soldiers and sex slaves. | |||
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You are a stupid liar. Plain and simple. Just lies. You have zero moral credibility. You have zero intellectual ability to debate honestly. Typical MAGA idiot. .
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Doc Your BS continues to discredit you further. The US can do what it wants with itself. The problem is that the US pokes its nose in other people's business all over the world and expects to CONTROL other governments as its god give right. Why does the US need such a military presence all overt the globe? How many? 8000? A military that is larger than the next 16 countries combined! Look at what Trump did with Zelensky and the other leaders. Just plain rude, ill mannered bullying. My posts here are critical of US policy and values particularly with the GOP Right wing bigotry. The OP is a great example. There is no credit in offering you any courtesy to be Right wing AND interfere in other people's business. Once again Doc, please read some serious history. 1. India and China got along well for over 2000 years until the 1949 communist revolution and the 1963 conflict. There is no reason to believe that they cannot go back to being allies for another 2000 years. The US is not even 250 years old as a free nation. Not even 75 years old as a global power. 2. China learned Indian values and culture by adopting Mahayana Buddhism from India 2000 years ago 3. Neither country / nation learned the other's language. But there are stone carvings of Tamil inscriptions in some Chinese ruins. 4. There is plenty of international trade between India and China without the need to use each others' language. It is the US that needs to learn other languages. More importantly it the US that needs to learn some better manners and human decency in global politics.
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Is Canada waging a proxy war on India by protecting & permitting terrorists to attack Indian interests? Trudeau has been naive in not doing his homework properly before cozying up to Khalistan terrorists. I wonder if he would be as naive with ISIS surrogates.
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your country killed people inside canadian territory seems that the situation is not getting better as with china your country is trying to influence politicians as well ... same level as trump ... | |||
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On the day of his funeral, Jasmine Crockett goes on CNN to smear Charlie Kirk. This is Mike Mitchell’s friend. Need we say more? Not only is the left more violent…they revel in it. What a disgusting person. https://x.com/guypbenson/statu...800996445393009?s=46 https://x.com/rncresearch/stat...774816111784022?s=46 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ J. Lane Easter, DVM A born Texan has instilled in his system a mind-set of no retreat or no surrender. I wish everyone the world over had the dominating spirit that motivates Texans.– Billy Clayton, Speaker of the Texas House No state commands such fierce pride and loyalty. Lesser mortals are pitied for their misfortune in not being born in Texas.— Queen Elizabeth II on her visit to Texas in May, 1991. | |||
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Who knew, Naki is a comedian! Lies, credibility and knowing history? This from the guy who claimed the Brits cut the thumbs off the weavers in India. His grannies tale of history has long been debunked, by his fellow countrymen. Not just the Brits India bowed down to. Tamerlane marched through India at will. The "superior culture" destroyed by a band of Mongols. | |||
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What a load of crock! It would have been more appropriate to have a copy of their recorded discussion instead of a conveniently conjured narrative to suit the occasion in favour of the "injured" party. | |||
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A load of crock? This reminds me of Hans Landa "That's a bingo!" | |||
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Every word she said is true and you know it. AS I have repeatedly stated, I'm sorry your boy got shot. But, he was an asshole. | |||
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