Naki needs to look in the mirror sometimes.

Might brighten his outlook on others!

Question to Nakihunter:

WHY did you bring it up in the first place if not to stir the pot?

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Originally posted by fulvio:
Question to Nakihunter:

WHY did you bring it up in the first place if not to stir the pot?

And what wrong with stirring the pot??

All good parts sink to the bottom if one doesn’t stir the pot!

Seems odd that a country which often seems obsessed/concerned about paedophilia, allows child marriage. Or, actually, maybe not odd at all.

The bottom line.

There is room for improvement in every country that this is occurring.

Children can not consent. Children are not in posession of the tools and skills necessary to succeed in raising children.

Children raising children is the sum total in this scenario.

"Any fool can make a baby, but it takes a Man to raise a child."

It's Parents who need to take ownership of parental responsibilities so Local, State, or National Governments aren't forced to implement boundries, read, "Nanny State."
Boundries which often times clash with religious, cultural, and slow-to-develop societal norms.


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Originally posted by Thomas "Ty" Beaham:
The bottom line.

There is room for improvement in every country this occurring.

Children can not consent. Children are not in posession of the tools and skills necessary to succeed in raising children.

Children raising children is the sum total in this scenario.

"Any fool can make a baby, but it takes a Man to raise a child."

It's Parents who need to take ownership of parental responsibilities so Local, State, or National Governments aren't forced to implement boundries, read, "Nanny State."
Boundries which often times clash with religious, cultural, and slow-to-develop societal norms.


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A nice comfy view from a safe and secure location deep within western society.

I'm not so sure inhabitants of third world share your perspective though.

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Originally posted by Steve Bertram:

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Originally posted by Thomas "Ty" Beaham:
The bottom line.

There is room for improvement in every country this occurring.

Children can not consent. Children are not in posession of the tools and skills necessary to succeed in raising children.

Children raising children is the sum total in this scenario.

"Any fool can make a baby, but it takes a Man to raise a child."

It's Parents who need to take ownership of parental responsibilities so Local, State, or National Governments aren't forced to implement boundries, read, "Nanny State."
Boundries which often times clash with religious, cultural, and slow-to-develop societal norms.


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A nice comfy view from a safe and secure location deep within western society.

I'm not so sure inhabitants of third world share your perspective though.

Western society is crewing the whole world with their convoluted, sometimes, sick, agendas!

Hey now, we don't want to talk about all your progress in Sudan again do we?

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Originally posted by Steve Bertram:

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Originally posted by Thomas "Ty" Beaham:
The bottom line.

There is room for improvement in every country this occurring.

Children can not consent. Children are not in posession of the tools and skills necessary to succeed in raising children.

Children raising children is the sum total in this scenario.

" Any fool can make a baby, but it takes a Man to raise a child."

It's Parents who need to take ownership of parental responsibilities so Local, State, or National Governments aren't forced to implement boundries, read, "Nanny State."
Boundries which often times clash with religious, cultural, and slow-to-develop societal norms.


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A nice comfy view from a safe and secure location deep within western society.

I'm not so sure inhabitants of third world share your perspective though.

Any fool wouldn't agree there is room for improvement.

Any fool wouldn't agree that children can't consent.

Any fool wouldn't agree that it takes a Man to raise a child.

I get it SKB, some won't see it from my unique position...


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Originally posted by Thomas "Ty" Beaham:

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Originally posted by Steve Bertram:

quote:

Originally posted by Thomas "Ty" Beaham:
The bottom line.

There is room for improvement in every country this occurring.

Children can not consent. Children are not in posession of the tools and skills necessary to succeed in raising children.

Children raising children is the sum total in this scenario.

" Any fool can make a baby, but it takes a Man to raise a child."

It's Parents who need to take ownership of parental responsibilities so Local, State, or National Governments aren't forced to implement boundries, read, "Nanny State."
Boundries which often times clash with religious, cultural, and slow-to-develop societal norms.


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A nice comfy view from a safe and secure location deep within western society.

I'm not so sure inhabitants of third world share your perspective though.

Any fool wouldn't agree there is room for improvement.

Any fool wouldn't agree that children can't consent.

Any fool wouldn't agree that it takes a Man to raise a child.

I get it SKB, some won't see it from my unique position...


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So people who live in a culture that pre-dates the existence of our country who see things differently than you do are fools? My, my, my, some folks sure as hell are full of themselves.

Are you really sure you know more about what is right for a member of the Shangaan tribe than they do? REALLY????

Wow TY....maybe take a step back for a second. Do you realize that schools which we take for granted do not exist in some of these places? That their rituals have served them for centuries if not longer? That many of these "children" eager await their transition into adulthood? That their options are hardly the same as your children's?

What works for us is not always a good fit for others.

Maybe you would like to change the way those folks worship as well? Have you thought of bringing Colonialization back into vogue?

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Originally posted by Thomas "Ty" Beaham:


I get it SKB, some won't see it from my unique position...


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I did not refer to all inhabitants of third world countries as fools. That was YOU.

Stop putting words in my mouth Steve.


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Originally posted by Thomas "Ty" Beaham:

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Originally posted by Thomas "Ty" Beaham:


I get it SKB, some won't see it from my unique position...


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I did not refer to all inhabitants of third world countries as fools. That was YOU.

Stop putting words in my mouth Steve.


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The first three lines of your post sure make it look you could be talking about inhabitants of third world countries, you know, these three you left out of your quote you disingenuous twit.

Said Ty "Any fool wouldn't agree there is room for improvement.

Any fool wouldn't agree that children can't consent.

Any fool wouldn't agree that it takes a Man to raise a child."

I was not putting words in your mouth, just pointing out what a fool you are by applying our societal norms to third world places.

So do you know better how to live in rural Mozambique than the Shangaan? I didn't think so.

And your first assumption, not surprisingly, reads like the soft bigotry of lowered expectations.

Did you not meet any fools in Mozambique?

I did.
*Several* of them (*note: not all, but, plural, as in more than one, but not all) on my first trip there told me Communism was the best thing that ever happened to them.

I'm bound to meet fools wherever I travel, especially in the United States...

Have a nice weekend Mr. ad hominem.

I'm done here.


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Originally posted by Saeed:

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Originally posted by fulvio:
Question to Nakihunter:

WHY did you bring it up in the first place if not to stir the pot?

And what wrong with stirring the pot??

All good parts sink to the bottom if one doesn’t stir the pot!

Stiring the pot is fine. Whats kind of funny is stiring and then getting upset at the replies.

To add too your analogy Saeed. You can stir the pot to bring up the good stuff. Or you can stir the pot to raise the dregs. Its an individuals choice on why. But if you raise the dregs, dont complain about the taste.

Let me respond to a few people.

Saeed, you need to look into a humble broken mirror instead of the gold and bejeweled elitist mirror you carry around. Show some spine for a change instead of criticizing everything but not having your own firm moral platform.

To the question about why I posted it in the first place- Please use your common sense. This is ARPF. All sorts of stuff gets posted. Everyone has a right to post according to their own choice without having to answer to you.

I have been posting on human rights and Western hypocrisy for over a decade. I've been posting on the violation of human rights in the US. The US establishment's oppression of the most vulnerable is well documented.

Illiterate bigoted people are ducking and weaving. Instead of contributing to the discussion they choose the stir up dregs of old grudges that are off topic and totally unconnected to the OP. Now they lie and whine. Not surprising.

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Originally posted by Thomas "Ty" Beaham:
And your first sentence, not surprisingly, reads like the soft bigotry of lowered expectations.

Did you not meet any fools in Mozambique?

I did. *Several* of them (*note: not all, but, plural, as in more than one, but not all) on my first trip there told me Communism was the best thing that ever happened to them.

I'm bound to meet fools wherever I travel, especially in the United States...

Have a nice weekend Mr. ad hominem.

I'm done here.


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Interesting post that is digressing from the OP.

I am going to start a new thread on post colonial options for preindustrial countries. The topic has been debated many times in the past and always ended in abuse, name calling and bullying. The current environment in ARPF looks more civil and might just yield a more enlightened debate.

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Originally posted by Thomas "Ty" Beaham:
And your first assumption, not surprisingly, reads like the soft bigotry of lowered expectations.

Did you not meet any fools in Mozambique?

I did.
*Several* of them (*note: not all, but, plural, as in more than one, but not all) on my first trip there told me Communism was the best thing that ever happened to them.

I'm bound to meet fools wherever I travel, especially in the United States...

Have a nice weekend Mr. ad hominem.

I'm done here.


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Naki,

The quote you framed above in your comment to Saeed was in direct response to someone other than you, or Saeed.

If you've taken exception with something I've said, or agree with something I've said, I would appreciate the courtesy of replying to me directly so there is no misunderstanding with your cryptic script.
Thanks.


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Its really funny. Because the only person bringing up the past is the guy complaining about it.

I can think of one major factor in why the forum is currently more civilised and enlightened.

Naki do you understand what is wrong with your criticism when you make a post like this?

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Saeed, you need to look into a humble broken mirror instead of the gold and bejeweled elitist mirror you carry around. Show some spine for a change instead of criticizing everything but not having your own firm moral platform.

I disagree with Saeed alot. And he with me. But one thing for sure is Im aware of his moral platform and hes fairly consistent on it.
One aspect of that is that you can insult him all you like and despite having the ability, he will not remove or censor you for it.

Giving people free speech to use as they like is a pretty strong moral platform. Its up to us how we use that.

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Originally posted by Thomas "Ty" Beaham:
And your first assumption, not surprisingly, reads like the soft bigotry of lowered expectations. Do you really think that my expectations or yours are that important to people struggling to get by? Soft bigotry my ass, more like judging others by your own culture instead of the one they live in. Do you feel the same way about our founding fathers and slavery or do you view them as people living under another set of cultural norms? Did they fail in your expectations? Or were they living under a different set of them?

Did you not meet any fools in Mozambique? No, I was there to hunt and experience another country. I'm sure they are there, they are everywhere. Interesting second thread you sparked by this comment on "fools".

I did.
*Several* of them (*note: not all, but, plural, as in more than one, but not all) on my first trip there told me Communism was the best thing that ever happened to them.

I'm bound to meet fools wherever I travel, especially in the United States...

Have a nice weekend Mr. ad hominem. You as well Capt. Disingenuous with a lack of resolve....you can't even commit to quitting

I'm done here.


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I had thought you were done here?? I would have responded earlier but I'm glad I waited for your edited response.

My sincere apology sir.

Typing on a phone is not ideal. I just followed the threads.

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Originally posted by Thomas "Ty" Beaham:
Naki,

The quote you framed above in your comment to Saeed was in direct response to someone other than you, or Saeed.

If you've taken exception with something I've said, or agree with something I've said, I would appreciate the courtesy of replying to me directly so there is no misunderstanding with your cryptic script.
Thanks.


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