1. Do you support the release of violent criminals that have been convicted by a Texas jury?

2. If not, why not?

And, please no weasel speak like it depends on the circumstances.

Doug, I presume those are rhetorical questions, since there is no way you will ever get a straight answer to them.

They won’t answer.

Dr. Easter done has.

He stated a few people getting pardons bc they were upset about a rigged election is no big deal.

The power to pardon is a sole power of the presidency. A power President Trump has been duly vested.

Dr. Easter is rational only insofar as it applies to rationalizations.

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Originally posted by Schrodinger:
1. Do you support the release of violent criminals that have been convicted by a Texas jury?

2. If not, why not?

And, please no weasel speak like it depends on the circumstances.

I don't support violent offenders being pardoned.. don't care which president or party.

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Originally posted by Schrodinger:
1. Do you support the release of violent criminals that have been convicted by a Texas jury?

2. If not, why not?

And, please no weasel speak like it depends on the circumstances.

Like the cop killer that Biden pardoned?

And no, I would not ever support a pardon for someone (anyone) who was found guilty of a violent crime. Period.

I think the difference between guys on the left and guys on the right,is that the leftist support their politicians regardless.

I find fault and keep those in mind. Its why primaries are so important.

This election came down to incompetence vs. bloviating. America first vs. America last. The closed border vs. open border. Attacking inflation, vs. more spending and making it worse.

There is a difference between a death sentence to life imprisonment and a pardon.

300 less than what I paid. Ignore this I was texting a guy about the price of wadders.

I would support a convicted felon being pardoned if there was grounds to believe they were wrongly convicted.

The justice system is not perfect. Mistakes happen. Juries are not able to be second guessed and if they make an error in judgement, the only remedy is a pardon.

That being said, in my mind a pardon should be a very high bar to get.

No question Trump is abusing this.

No question Biden also did.

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Originally posted by Steve Ahrenberg:

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Originally posted by Schrodinger:
1. Do you support the release of violent criminals that have been convicted by a Texas jury?

2. If not, why not?

And, please no weasel speak like it depends on the circumstances.

Like the cop killer that Biden pardoned?

And no, I would not ever support a pardon for someone (anyone) who was found guilty of a violent crime. Period.

I think the difference between guys on the left and guys on the right,is that the leftist support their politicians regardless.

I find fault and keep those in mind. Its why primaries are so important.

This election came down to incompetence vs. bloviating. America first vs. America last. The closed border vs. open border. Attacking inflation, vs. more spending and making it worse.

Wow. You have got to be fucking kidding me. Pardo…I was going to make a list, but I don’t have the time or crayons to explain this to a cult member.

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No question Trump is abusing this.

No question Biden also did.

Therein is the fallacy of false equivalences, again.

Sorry, but you are wrong.

Biden gave a bunch of family members preemptive pardons. Trump has not done that.

Biden pardoned/commuted a bunch (more than any president to date) at the end of his term. Certainly several were poor choices.

Both abused the power of pardon.

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Originally posted by Magine Enigam:

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No question Trump is abusing this.

No question Biden also did.

Therein is the fallacy of false equivalences, again.

President Biden gave pardons to folks who this incoming administration has targeted for prosecution for opposing Trump. Like your nominated head of the DOJ.

If you need to use language like worse, tge worse or President Trump.

There is no use arguing over pardons. Trump is now subject to term limits. I guess he central try to do away w term limit through an executive order. If that becomes the case one can choose not to vote for him.

Pardons are not for just those who you think are innocent. Never have been and never will.

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preemptive pardons. Trump has not done that.

Yet.

And preemptive pardons? What does Trump's pardons preempt?

It's meaningful to me that Biden's preemptive pardons weren't random but instead directly related to promised preemptive lawfare retaliation. IOW, Biden's preemptive pardons weren't associated with the rule of law having been adjudicated or crimes evident, unlike Trump's pardons, but instead associated with the high probability of the rule of man.

I'm doing my best to help you with distinctions, hoping that you can see how it's done and maybe do it yourself next time.

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justice system is not perfect. Mistakes happen. Juries are not able to be second guessed and if they make an error in judgement, the only remedy is a pardon.

Yet, Butler, you support the death penalty.

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Originally posted by Schrodinger:

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justice system is not perfect. Mistakes happen. Juries are not able to be second guessed and if they make an error in judgement, the only remedy is a pardon.

Yet, Butler, you support the death penalty.

Doug
Death penalty cases aren't handled at the same level of diilligence as traffic court

And the federal jury trials that convicted these violent bastards were conducted like traffic court?

If not, what the fuck is your point?

It's all on video. If someone was using physical violence against others then, no, I would not support a pardon.

Possibly some of the trials could be redone, based on my understanding of the way these trials were conducted.

Pretty tough to get a fair trial for MAGA folks in DC.

How much time does the average person do for trespassing and assault, if it's their first conviction? I don't have any idea. Has anyone outside of J6 done years for trespassing?

Much of it is on video. Yes, there is a lot of physical violence.

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Originally posted by LHeym500:
Much of it is on video. Yes, there is a lot of physical violence.

That’s how the bastards were convicted. I never cease to be amazed at how the Trump cult will follow and defend their messiah regardless of what he does.

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Pretty tough to get a fair trial for MAGA folks in DC.

The insurrectionists chose the venue. DC was where their crimes were committed.

I do. Especially when the evidence is voluminous and clear cut.

You have a videotape of the guy planting a bomb and shooting people. You have multiple eyewitness accounts supporting it. You have other evidence that supports it. It’s not a purely circumstantial case.

Then the death penalty is reasonable.

I also would support giving pardons to people who we now have DNA proof of innocence.

Nothing inconsistent there to me.

I look at the prosecution trying to use the death penalty as a stick to get a guilty plea as about as low as it gets.

If I was in charge I would never plead a case I brought up as a death penalty case, as I would think my evidence so solid that I gain nothing by pleading it out.

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Originally posted by Schrodinger:

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justice system is not perfect. Mistakes happen. Juries are not able to be second guessed and if they make an error in judgement, the only remedy is a pardon.

Yet, Butler, you support the death penalty.

Idiotic OP
Who did does what?
Rhetorical word salad

I did not say the death penalty was not reasonable. Again almost half the states have abolished it.

I said there is no comparing a pardon that releases one from prison and restores all civil liberties to a commutation to life in prison.

You are foolish if you think they compare.

There is no word salad in the OP. Everyone knows what is being discussed as various post responded to the prompt as intended.

The intent is clear.

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Originally posted by Magine Enigam:

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preemptive pardons. Trump has not done that.

Yet.

And preemptive pardons? What does Trump's pardons preempt?

It's meaningful to me that Biden's preemptive pardons weren't random but instead directly related to promised preemptive lawfare retaliation. IOW, Biden's preemptive pardons weren't associated with the rule of law having been adjudicated or crimes evident, unlike Trump's pardons, but instead associated with the high probability of the rule of man.

I'm doing my best to help you with distinctions, hoping that you can see how it's done and maybe do it yourself next time.

Here is a bit of the Left a few years ago concerning preemptive pardons, seems they thought differently just a short while ago.
https://www.foramerica.org/pos...4Y-0Ze1X-Qc8XzmHUW6A

Yep, snd Trump was fully empowered to issue them.

I didn't read it all, but it looks like the background information, the dem quotes and such, are accurate.

It asked one essential question:

"More importantly, why did these people need preemptive pardons if they didn't do anything wrong?"

The answer should be obvious.

Because Trump threatened them with revenge, lawfare purely for his own satisfaction of retribution, using the powers of office and perverting the rule of law. He made his intentions clear. He's already doing his best to setup the process for such corruption. There should be no doubt.

If not for that, the preemptive pardons wouldn't be necessary.

Trump had explicitly, repeatedly said he would order targeted political persecutions of those who opposed him by telling the Truth or doing their sworn Duty.

Biden's "pre-emptive" pardons were prophylactic, to keep innocent people from catching a social disease from MAGA.

Trump, on the other hand, did exactly what he has accused other Countries of doing: he released violent criminals and convicted enemies of the United States onto our streets.

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Originally posted by Magine Enigam:
I didn't read it all, but it looks like the background information, the dem quotes and such, are accurate.

It asked one essential question:

"More importantly, why did these people need preemptive pardons if they didn't do anything wrong?"

The answer should be obvious.

Because Trump threatened them with revenge, lawfare purely for his own satisfaction of retribution, using the powers of office and perverting the rule of law. He made his intentions clear. He's already doing his best to setup the process for such corruption. There should be no doubt.

If not for that, the preemptive pardons wouldn't be necessary.

Only you and your woke kind actually believe this. Obviously your attention span and memory is quite short but the democrats are the originators of LAWFARE. So funny that you WOKES think everyone is as simple in their thinking as you are. That is part of what cost you WOKES the election . The republicans have been fighting he WOKES on LAWFARE for the past eight years. Now you simpletons think LAWFARE is an excuse for the Biden crime family. You WOKES think everyone but you are stupid. Get a grip.

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Originally posted by Magine Enigam:

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preemptive pardons. Trump has not done that.

Yet.

And preemptive pardons? What does Trump's pardons preempt?

It's meaningful to me that Biden's preemptive pardons weren't random but instead directly related to promised preemptive lawfare retaliation. IOW, Biden's preemptive pardons weren't associated with the rule of law having been adjudicated or crimes evident, unlike Trump's pardons, but instead associated with the high probability of the rule of man.

I'm doing my best to help you with distinctions, hoping that you can see how it's done and maybe do it yourself next time.

Just my view. If the system was being used properly, then should it not be over too a future president to pardon anyone wrongly imprisoned By Trump? Rather than acting on an assumption?

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Originally posted by shankspony:

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Originally posted by Magine Enigam:

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preemptive pardons. Trump has not done that.

Yet.

And preemptive pardons? What does Trump's pardons preempt?

It's meaningful to me that Biden's preemptive pardons weren't random but instead directly related to promised preemptive lawfare retaliation. IOW, Biden's preemptive pardons weren't associated with the rule of law having been adjudicated or crimes evident, unlike Trump's pardons, but instead associated with the high probability of the rule of man.

I'm doing my best to help you with distinctions, hoping that you can see how it's done and maybe do it yourself next time.

Just my view. If the system was being used properly, then should it not be over too a future president to pardon anyone wrongly imprisoned By Trump? Rather than acting on an assumption?

No, there was very little chance any of Trump's planned political prosecutions would have resulted in convictions that withstood Appeal, because hurting Trump's feelings doesn't (yet) violate Federal Law. Trump's revenge would simply be his standard playbook, disrupting his enemies' lives and bankrupting them through dragging them into court for years. He has bankrupted hundreds of contractors dumb enough to work for him in New York and New Jersey that way.

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Trump is now subject to term limits. .

And, how long do you think it will be before the trump supporters start arguing otherwise? The Constitution doesn't really mean what it says, you know.

No hype here:

https://youtube.com/shorts/QPc...?si=49WvTKGFT-tw2zF0

Billionaires are pouring huge amounts of money into the political process — & both parties.

quote:

Originally posted by Schrodinger:
1. Do you support the release of violent criminals that have been convicted by a Texas jury?

2. If not, why not?

And, please no weasel speak like it depends on the circumstances.

Hi Doug,
Hope you are well. You haven’t been around much lately. I hope you and your family are well.

Send me the specific cases you are referring to and I will respond on the merits individually.

. . . well that was completely predictable. Dodge, deflect and distract.

Hi Mike,
Do you make it a habit to comment on specifics of which you are uninformed?

Give me the specifics and I will opine.

That's a new policy, wanting the details before spewing an opinion...

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Originally posted by Jefffive:
That's a new policy, wanting the details before spewing an opinion...

Of course we know you are fond of commenting on things you ignorant on — but that encompasses everything.

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Originally posted by RolandtheHeadless:

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Pretty tough to get a fair trial for MAGA folks in DC.

The insurrectionists chose the venue. DC was where their crimes were committed.

ah, there's our little gardener -- among his elitist views are that federal law SHOULD be variable by location ... so much for justice is blind...

. . . I’m sure you would ask for specifics if the question was, do you favor deportation of an immigrant convicted for a violent crime by a Texas jury. Once again, your hypocrisy is on full display. We get it, you don’t want to answer the question because it might make the Orange Man look bad.

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Originally posted by MJines:
. . . I’m sure you would ask for specifics if the question was, do you favor deportation of an immigrant convicted for a violent crime by a Texas jury. Once again, your hypocrisy is on full display. We get it, you don’t want to answer the question because it might make the Orange Man look bad.

show me the "wiggle" in this statement, Mike

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Originally posted by jeffeosso:

quote:

Originally posted by Schrodinger:
1. Do you support the release of violent criminals that have been convicted by a Texas jury?

2. If not, why not?

And, please no weasel speak like it depends on the circumstances.

I don't support violent offenders being pardoned.. don't care which president or party.

oh, and since you are moving the goal post, AGAIN, as the op's question was "1. Do you support the release of violent criminals that have been convicted by a Texas jury?" --

I don't think there's any wiggle in my answer --

in the case of an illegal alien or immigrant (rational persons understand these are different cases) - serve the time, THEN deported - i'll leave it to the theologians to determine if it's a perm, term, or no ban from re-entry --