Gotta get the Brown Shirts in line.

Former President Trump on Monday said among his first actions if he is reelected in November would be to free rioters imprisoned for their actions during the Jan. 6, 2021, attack on the Capitol.

“My first acts as your next President will be to Close the Border, DRILL, BABY, DRILL, and Free the January 6 Hostages being wrongfully imprisoned!” Trump wrote on Truth Social.

And kick that stupid drug addict, Meghan's Bimbo, out of the country!

Just another great piece of policy by President Trump.

Hey, if he is elected and not duly removed, he can pardon whoever he wishes for federal crimes.

Just add it to the long list of policy reasons o will never vote for him or anyone like him.

meanwhile:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news...0cc187238ee582&ei=13

Trump Campaign Gets Record-Setting $62 Million Shot in the Arm from Evangelical Group
Story by Jack Davis • 12h •

and

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news...5771580b5917bf&ei=31

RNC ‘Bloodbath’ Begins as More Than 60 Staffers Are Terminated Days After Lara Trump Elected Co-Chair
Story by Michael Luciano • 14h •

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Originally posted by Magine Enigam:
meanwhile:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news...0cc187238ee582&ei=13

Trump Campaign Gets Record-Setting $62 Million Shot in the Arm from Evangelical Group
Story by Jack Davis • 12h •

and

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news...5771580b5917bf&ei=31

RNC ‘Bloodbath’ Begins as More Than 60 Staffers Are Terminated Days After Lara Trump Elected Co-Chair
Story by Michael Luciano • 14h •

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While spending $10 million more than it did in 2020, the group plans to hand out 30 million pieces of literature in 125,000 churches, with a focus on battleground states.

Every church where that happens should immediately lose tax-exempt staus.

Curious. A number of the Trumplicans have stated that those involved in the January 6 event should be prosecuted and punished. That being the case, do they disagree with the Beloved Leader that they are “wrongfully imprisoned” and should be released? I suspect the sound of crickets will be deafening.

I would not be adverse to freeing the folks that are still being held in lieu of bail awaiting trial at this point. It’s been 3 years.

But the folks who got prison sentences can stay where they are. If they have valid appellate grounds, that’s fine, but just mass pardoning? Makes as much sense as Carter pardoning the Vietnam draft dodgers. Maybe in 15 or so years.

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But the folks who got prison sentences can stay where they are. If they have valid appellate grounds, that’s fine, but just mass pardoning?

I don't think you actually get the significance of Trump's proposed pardons.

I think you are whitewashing it.

Trump calls them political prisoners who are really patriots, and his followers believe that.

It represents the essence of Trumpism, which is a contest between the rule of law and something else.

And you know what I think the something else is.

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Originally posted by crbutler:
I would not be adverse to freeing the folks that are still being held in lieu of bail awaiting trial at this point. It’s been 3 years.

But the folks who got prison sentences can stay where they are. If they have valid appellate grounds, that’s fine, but just mass pardoning? Makes as much sense as Carter pardoning the Vietnam draft dodgers. Maybe in 15 or so years.

Maybe spray-paint them with orange stripes when they are released, so the cops know who was assaulting their fellows at the January 6 gathering. They will mo doubt decide how to handle matters from there in their customary manner...

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Originally posted by crbutler:
I would not be adverse to freeing the folks that are still being held in lieu of bail awaiting trial at this point. It’s been 3 years.

But the folks who got prison sentences can stay where they are. If they have valid appellate grounds, that’s fine, but just mass pardoning? Makes as much sense as Carter pardoning the Vietnam draft dodgers. Maybe in 15 or so years.

Are there any still being held without bail? My recollection is that there were very very few folks charged that were denied bail. Just those charged with violent offenses or deemed flight risks like Barnett. The way things usually work in the criminal justice system.

Prosecutors are usually pretty diligent about moving cases forward in order to avoid the lack of a speedy trial defense. In most criminal cases, trial delays are the result of defense strategy....trying to keep out of jail as long as possible.

I fully get the significance of his proposed blanket pardons, and think it’s bad politics to do so. Just like Carter’s mass pardoning the draft dodgers.

Several here state I’m a Trump supporting apologist.

Well, if I am, I said that I disagree with the proposed pardon… which means that some “Trump supporters” don’t agree with him.

I don’t consider myself a Trump supporter any more, but since so many insist that I am, well, here’s one that says bad idea.


The ones convicted of insurrection did more than just protest.

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Originally posted by Mike Mitchell:
Gotta get the Brown Shirts in line.

"Brown Shirts" -- but Jerry says Antifa is a myth --

I don't agree with mass pardons

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Originally posted by crbutler:
I fully get the significance of his proposed blanket pardons, and think it’s bad politics to do so. Just like Carter’s mass pardoning the draft dodgers.

Several here state I’m a Trump supporting apologist.

Well, if I am, I said that I disagree with the proposed pardon… which means that some “Trump supporters” don’t agree with him.

I don’t consider myself a Trump supporter any more, but since so many insist that I am, well, here’s one that says bad idea.


The ones convicted of insurrection did more than just protest.

I can't call you a Trump supporter, as you've made it clear you won't vote for him.

But I would call you a Republican, one who finds false equivalencies sometimes to excuse Republican bad behavior. Yes, sometimes those equivalencies are apt, but you seem to find an undue share of false ones.

I think it may be your GOP/conservative bias at work.

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Originally posted by crbutler:
I fully get the significance of his proposed blanket pardons, and think it’s bad politics to do so. Just like Carter’s mass pardoning the draft dodgers.

Several here state I’m a Trump supporting apologist.

Well, if I am, I said that I disagree with the proposed pardon… which means that some “Trump supporters” don’t agree with him.

I don’t consider myself a Trump supporter any more, but since so many insist that I am, well, here’s one that says bad idea.


The ones convicted of insurrection did more than just protest.

You're going to vote for trump. While apologizing, I guess.

You understand he tried to overturn the result of a general election, right? With zero evidence. Because there wasn't any.

How do you vote for that guy?

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Originally posted by RolandtheHeadless:



I can't call you a Trump Biden supporter, as you've made not made it clear you won't vote for him.

But I would call you a Republican Liberal , one who finds false equivalencies sometimes to excuse Republican Liberal bad behavior. Yes, sometimes those equivalencies are apt, but you seem to find an undue share of false ones.

I think it may be your GOP/conservative Liberal bias at work.

See, i fixed it for you -- You literally said the guy doesn't support Trump AND won't vote for him, then went to crap on the OP. Is making/keeping friends difficult for you?

The problem is Crbutler is on this forum telling us how President Trump and his role in Jan 6 are not worse the President Biden.

Yes, he deserves credit for his stated position that he will not vote for President Trump.

Doc Butler is the best example of compulsively spouting false equivalence on this forum, IMO.

He just can't deal with issues any other way.

Recognize it, and forgive him.

How is it false equivalency if it’s all opinion?

Were the black panthers insurrection or civil war?

The democrat answer for being called out on hypocrisy is to call it false equivalency.

Two wrongs don’t make a right.

Trump is wrong and bad. How you get there is your choice. End of statement.

Biden is wrong and bad. How you get there is your choice. End of statement.

Which is less of a turd is your opinion.

Definitions:

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hypocrisy

noun
the practice of claiming to have moral standards or beliefs to which one's own behavior does not conform; pretense.

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false equivalency

False equivalence is an informal fallacy in which an equivalence is drawn between two subjects based on flawed or false reasoning. It occurs when someone incorrectly asserts that two or more things are equivalent, simply because they share some characteristics, despite the fact that there are also notable differences between them. This creates a false sense of balance or fairness, as if both sides of an argument are equally valid when they are not.

False equivalencies are especially common in debates on ethics, where they are used to draw moral equivalences between two things.

Moral equivalence is a term used in political arguments or debate. It is an informal fallacy. The phrase describes a kind of indirect proof, but the reasoning is flawed because it distorts issues. It draws comparisons between different things to make a point that one is just as bad as the other or just as good as the other.

The user of the trope imagines a kind of independent position above or beyond the two contenders. The moral equivalence theory allows someone using the trope to appear both objective and detached at the same time.

The general form of the context for the use of the trope is:

The actions of A are morally equivalent to the actions of B, therefore A is just as good or bad as B, regardless of what the actual actions are.
Doing X is morally equivalent to doing Y, therefore someone doing X is just as good or bad someone doing Y, regardless of what X and Y actually are.

The concept of moral equivalence is not a term of philosophy; rather, it is only a logical fallacy used in arguments.

Trope is a term for a figure of speech. The term has evolved to identify an overused theme or device. A trope may mean a convention, a plot trick, a setup, a narrative structure and a character type all at the same time.