From Time magazine's recent interviews with trump:

https://time.com/6972021/donal...-election-interview/


>>>What emerged in two interviews with Trump, and conversations with more than a dozen of his closest advisers and confidants, were the outlines of an imperial presidency that would reshape America and its role in the world. To carry out a deportation operation designed to remove more than 11 million people from the country, Trump told me, he would be willing to build migrant detention camps and deploy the U.S. military, both at the border and inland. He would let red states monitor women’s pregnancies and prosecute those who violate abortion bans. He would, at his personal discretion, withhold funds appropriated by Congress, according to top advisers. He would be willing to fire a U.S. Attorney who doesn’t carry out his order to prosecute someone, breaking with a tradition of independent law enforcement that dates from America’s founding. He is weighing pardons for every one of his supporters accused of attacking the U.S. Capitol on Jan. 6, 2021, more than 800 of whom have pleaded guilty or been convicted by a jury. He might not come to the aid of an attacked ally in Europe or Asia if he felt that country wasn’t paying enough for its own defense. He would gut the U.S. civil service, deploy the National Guard to American cities as he sees fit, close the White House pandemic-preparedness office, and staff his Administration with acolytes who back his false assertion that the 2020 election was stolen."

What would a second Trump presidency look like?

Most likely nothingburger.

Every EO will be challenged in court.

Every nominee will be filibustered.

He will probably be impeached a bunch of times depending on who has what where.

And he will sit and tell us how his administration is the bestest ever.


I don’t think he will get much of anything done, other than throw out all the Biden EO’s.

Trump is an idiot wrapped in a dog turd. He obviously never heard of the posse commitatus act or that the 3 branches of government act as a checks and balance system. But, but, but, his policies are good.

It'll look wrathful.
Revenge.

According to President Trump:

Women in registries for abortion purposes;
FCC answering to his whelm;
AF loyal to President Trump’s whelm and not the law;
Higher prices and less jobs if he gets his tariffs.

https://www.npr.org/2024/04/30...e-interview-abortion
https://ny1.com/nyc/all-boroug...osecution-monitoring

Whelm??

Yes

to overcome in thought or feeling


cover or engulf completely with usually disastrous

President Trump will benne those institutions not to the law, but to his personal will.

This video probably belongs under the immunity thread, but it has digressed somewhat.

So, it fits here too.

It's not a short video, but it explains some stuff about the danger Trump poses in a second term.

Supreme Court’s Plan in Trump Immunity Case

https://youtu.be/YpnDOnlZAes?si=tzwBbedT3zL9ikFs

quote:

Originally posted by crbutler:
What would a second Trump presidency look like?

Most likely nothingburger.

Every EO will be challenged in court.

Every nominee will be filibustered.

He will probably be impeached a bunch of times depending on who has what where.

And he will sit and tell us how his administration is the bestest ever.

I don’t think he will get much of anything done, other than throw out all the Biden EO’s.

That post is basically what you have been saying, in so many words, all along and practically all your posts.

And I have been saying all along that I think you are wrong. I think you grossly underestimate Trump and his loyalists, and you grossly overestimate the resilience of the system.

quote:

>>>What emerged in two interviews with Trump, and conversations with more than a dozen of his closest advisers and confidants, were the outlines of an imperial presidency that would reshape America and its role in the world. To carry out a deportation operation designed to remove more than 11 million people from the country, Trump told me, he would be willing to build migrant detention camps and deploy the U.S. military, both at the border and inland. He would let red states monitor women’s pregnancies and prosecute those who violate abortion bans. He would, at his personal discretion, withhold funds appropriated by Congress, according to top advisers. He would be willing to fire a U.S. Attorney who doesn’t carry out his order to prosecute someone, breaking with a tradition of independent law enforcement that dates from America’s founding. He is weighing pardons for every one of his supporters accused of attacking the U.S. Capitol on Jan. 6, 2021, more than 800 of whom have pleaded guilty or been convicted by a jury. He might not come to the aid of an attacked ally in Europe or Asia if he felt that country wasn’t paying enough for its own defense. He would gut the U.S. civil service, deploy the National Guard to American cities as he sees fit, close the White House pandemic-preparedness office, and staff his Administration with acolytes who back his false assertion that the 2020 election was stolen."

I'm failing to see a problem with any of this.

except for the last sentence, waste of time and energy at this point.

quote:

Originally posted by Lamar:

quote:

>>>What emerged in two interviews with Trump, and conversations with more than a dozen of his closest advisers and confidants, were the outlines of an imperial presidency that would reshape America and its role in the world. To carry out a deportation operation designed to remove more than 11 million people from the country, Trump told me, he would be willing to build migrant detention camps and deploy the U.S. military, both at the border and inland. He would let red states monitor women’s pregnancies and prosecute those who violate abortion bans. He would, at his personal discretion, withhold funds appropriated by Congress, according to top advisers. He would be willing to fire a U.S. Attorney who doesn’t carry out his order to prosecute someone, breaking with a tradition of independent law enforcement that dates from America’s founding. He is weighing pardons for every one of his supporters accused of attacking the U.S. Capitol on Jan. 6, 2021, more than 800 of whom have pleaded guilty or been convicted by a jury. He might not come to the aid of an attacked ally in Europe or Asia if he felt that country wasn’t paying enough for its own defense. He would gut the U.S. civil service, deploy the National Guard to American cities as he sees fit, close the White House pandemic-preparedness office, and staff his Administration with acolytes who back his false assertion that the 2020 election was stolen."

I'm failing to see a problem with any of this.

except for the last sentence, waste of time and energy at this point.

That's because you are a trumptard.

quote:

Originally posted by Lamar:

quote:

>>>What emerged in two interviews with Trump, and conversations with more than a dozen of his closest advisers and confidants, were the outlines of an imperial presidency that would reshape America and its role in the world. To carry out a deportation operation designed to remove more than 11 million people from the country, Trump told me, he would be willing to build migrant detention camps and deploy the U.S. military, both at the border and inland. He would let red states monitor women’s pregnancies and prosecute those who violate abortion bans. He would, at his personal discretion, withhold funds appropriated by Congress, according to top advisers. He would be willing to fire a U.S. Attorney who doesn’t carry out his order to prosecute someone, breaking with a tradition of independent law enforcement that dates from America’s founding. He is weighing pardons for every one of his supporters accused of attacking the U.S. Capitol on Jan. 6, 2021, more than 800 of whom have pleaded guilty or been convicted by a jury. He might not come to the aid of an attacked ally in Europe or Asia if he felt that country wasn’t paying enough for its own defense. He would gut the U.S. civil service, deploy the National Guard to American cities as he sees fit, close the White House pandemic-preparedness office, and staff his Administration with acolytes who back his false assertion that the 2020 election was stolen."

I'm failing to see a problem with any of this.

except for the last sentence, waste of time and energy at this point.

Apparently you are another one of our Constitutional scholars, clueless beyond belief, but more than ready for another helping of orange Kool-aid.

quote:

Originally posted by Lamar:

I'm failing to see a problem with any of this.

Interesting choice of word(s) - "failing".

I think what you intended to say was that you support and approve of it all and more, such as Project 2025.

Your choice of using the word "failing" has several implications. One, I think it's a psychological hedge. You are not really all-in. You think you're trying to see the light, but something is holding you back. What could that be? Some long latent patriotism or respect for the Founder's constitution? Maybe something in deep conscience?

Hummm

Trump wouldn't say it out loud, time and again, if he didn't have multitudes of supporters like Lamar, and many others like Doc Butler.

Lamar gets it and approves. Doc is in denial. Many herein get it too and don't approve. It could happen despite our disapproval directly attributable to people like Lamar, Lane and Doc.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news...6&ei=22&sc=shoreline

“As he sees fit”: Trump lays out the stakes — and the media is starting to hear his message
Story by Laurence H. Tribe & Dennis Aftergut • 4h • 4 min read

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news...45274d1b6a5c1e&ei=26

What's Left to Restrain Donald Trump?

Excerpt from the article:

The former White House aide Cassidy Hutchinson testified under oath that she recalls former White House Counsel Pat Cipollone saying to then–Chief of Staff Mark Meadows, “Mark, we need to do something more. They’re literally calling for the vice president to be effing hung.” And Meadows responded with something to the effect of, “You heard him, Pat. He thinks Mike deserves it. He doesn’t think they’re doing anything wrong.”

According to the January 6 committee’s report, several other White House aides also believed Trump’s tweet was an effort to inflame the mob. “It was essentially giving the green light to these people,” according to then–Deputy Press Secretary Sarah Matthews.

Additionally, in a recent CNN interview, former Attorney General Bill Barr—who’d previously said that Trump has gone “off the rails,” is“manic and unreasonable,” and has demonstrated “erratic personal behavior”—admitted that Trump would “lose his temper” and talk about people who should be executed. “I doubt he would have actually carried it out,” Barr said with a nervous laugh. “But he would say that on other occasions?” the anchor Kaitlan Collins asked. “The president, I think people sometimes took him too literally,” Barr responded.

Perhaps Barr had the January 6 mob in mind.

So why would we assume that Trump—a man of sociopathic tendencies, who appears unable to even think in moral terms, who inflamed a violent mob to try to hang his vice president—would automatically recoil from having a political opponent assassinated if the opportunity presented itself?

In other words, although it may not be likely that Trump would order a political assassination—particularly if the Supreme Court rules that, as president, Trump would not have immunity—it is still possible. And that, in turn, raises another possibility, and maybe even a probability: Much of the Republican Party, including white evangelicals and fundamentalists, would line up in support of Trump even if he did order the assassination of a political opponent. If you don’t think so, you’re simply not familiar enough with the MAGA mind. You’re not listening closely enough to what Trump is saying to his supporters, and what they’re saying to one another.

It’s easy to anticipate just how their argument would unfold: first, deny that any amount of evidence could be amassed to prove that Trump tried to assassinate anyone; second, dismiss the allegations because they are being made by “haters” who suffer from Trump Derangement Syndrome; third, point the finger at the “Biden crime family,” whose corruptions far exceed what we see from Trump and his kin; and fourth, insist that even if the former president did order the assassination of a political opponent, it’s essential that Trump retain the presidency, because his absence would lead to dystopia. Unfortunately, for the sake of America, some people must perish. Or so Trump supporters would say.

Context is important here. MAGA world has stood with Trump—in fact, its support for him has deepened—through everything he has done, including encouraging the January 6 mob to kill his vice president and being found liable for sexually assaulting and defaming a woman. And those are just a fraction of his legal and moral transgressions. Yet Republicans have never been close to taking the exit ramp away from the former president. The closer we get to November’s election, the more emphatically they will defend him.

The identity of MAGA world has fused with Trump’s; to turn on him would be to turn on themselves. They won’t admit to themselves, and they certainly won’t admit to others, the sheer expanse of Trump’s degeneracy. To do so would be self-indicting; it would cause enormous cognitive dissonance. They made a Faustian bargain, and they’re not about to break it. They will follow him anywhere he goes.

Where Trump might go in a second term is of course a matter of speculation. But if his actions track at all with his last months in office, with his rhetoric since his defeat, and with the actions his lawyers are saying their client might be legally immune for committing, we are heading to an exceedingly dark and dangerous place. We can’t say we haven’t been warned.

A whole lot better than another Biden presidency. Sorry, just the truth. And if there's some payback, who can blame him?

Biden keeps playing up the fact that he is a supposed Catholic, although his policies violate basic Church teachings. Saw today that he's trailing Trump among Catholics by something like 12 points, when he had a double digit lead in 2020.

The Democrats have created this situation by their constant persecution of Trump. That made it impossible for any other GOP candidate to win the nomination. Talk about doubling down.

Well, lavaca, I'm glad you're here on this forum and express your opinions.

It stuns me that someone can say and believe as true "The Democrats have created this situation by their constant persecution of Trump".

And that's just a small tidbit in the vastness of the lies you believe.

But it's not just about you. Not at all. You are just a representative of something much bigger.

It's good that we can see a sample of the bigger picture and contemplate the how, why, and consequences.

There are numerous publications, books and articles, on this topic.

Reading is a good thing, don't you agree?

This is the first paragraph from and article in WSJ, Aug. 4, 2023

It may have a paywall, but here's the link:

https://www.wsj.com/articles/t...opwebshare_permalink

The Founders Anticipated the Threat of Trump
This week’s indictment of the former president outlines the sort of demagogic challenge to the rule of law that the Constitution’s architects most feared

(Excerpt - first paragraph)
The allegations in the indictment of Donald Trump for conspiring to overturn the election of 2020 represent the American Founders’ nightmare. A key concern of James Madison and Alexander Hamilton was that demagogues would incite mobs and factions to defy the rule of law, overturn free and fair elections and undermine American democracy. “The only path to a subversion of the republican system of the Country is, by flattering the prejudices of the people, and exciting their jealousies and apprehensions, to throw affairs into confusion, and bring on civil commotion,” Alexander Hamilton wrote in 1790. “When a man unprincipled in private life, desperate in his fortune, bold in his temper…is seen to mount the hobby horse of popularity,” Hamilton warned, “he may ‘ride the storm and direct the whirlwind.’”

https://www.theatlantic.com/ma...l&utm_campaign=share

AMERICA IS LIVING JAMES MADISON’S NIGHTMARE

https://guides.loc.gov/federal...eFederalistPapers-58

The Federalist Papers

https://www.latimes.com/opinio...-washington-hamilton

Why demagogues were the Founding Fathers’ greatest fear

https://www.washingtonpost.com...that-encourage-them/

The Constitution was designed to weed out demagogues. Now it encourages them.
By Andrew Sabl
January 28, 2016 at 12:00 p.m. EST

quote:

Originally posted by lavaca:

And if there's some payback, who can blame him?

Well, me.

Payback or revenge isn't why I vote for a "Ruler".
I expect anyone in leadership, private, public or otherwise to move their organization forward, to improve and succeed. I consider it deeply flawed to support a "Ruler" or be one that is interested in payback.

quote:

Originally posted by Scott King:

I expect anyone in leadership, private, public or otherwise to move their organization forward, to improve and succeed. I consider it deeply flawed to support a "Ruler" or be one that is interested in payback.

Well, Scott, they would call him a "ruler" or call what he does "payback". They would spin it, call it justice, forward, improvement, success, or whatever.

Have no doubt whatsoever that Trump's second term would be very efficient. Actually, Project 2025 the Heritage Foundation and others aren't dependent on Trump. Any GOPer POTUS and majority in congress will do. But Trump would be best due to his grudges and amorality.

https://youtu.be/pbi-qItN49Q?s...mwGmq1WJu1jHXq&t=299

PNS NewsHour
Brooks and Capehart on Trump's vision for a 2nd term

I linked the video starting at 4:59 to cover just the part about second term.

What will another Trump presidency look like?
Well, Saeed and friends will be happily busy insulting his every move. (In other words, quacking about an orange lame duck, only with more stridence than when they wanted to keep him from a second term.)

quote:

Originally posted by lavaca:
A whole lot better than another Biden presidency. Sorry, just the truth. And if there's some payback, who can blame him?

Biden keeps playing up the fact that he is a supposed Catholic, although his policies violate basic Church teachings. Saw today that he's trailing Trump among Catholics by something like 12 points, when he had a double digit lead in 2020.

The Democrats have created this situation by their constant persecution of Trump. That made it impossible for any other GOP candidate to win the nomination. Talk about doubling down.

Warfare was inimical to Richard Nixcon's Quaker principles as well, but he did his job to prosecute the Vietnam War.

Our Constitution forbids government involvement in religious matters.

it's not so much that I'm for Trump.
it more like I really would like to see Joe Biden drop dead by November 4th.

another term of him and his puppeteer f'in things up and we won't be one single 50 state country any longer.

quote:

Originally posted by Magine Enigam:

quote:

Originally posted by Scott King:

I expect anyone in leadership, private, public or otherwise to move their organization forward, to improve and succeed. I consider it deeply flawed to support a "Ruler" or be one that is interested in payback.

Well, Scott, they would call him a "ruler" or call what he does "payback". They would spin it, call it justice, forward, improvement, success, or whatever.

Have no doubt whatsoever that Trump's second term would be very efficient. Actually, Project 2025 the Heritage Foundation and others aren't dependent on Trump. Any GOPer POTUS and majority in congress will do. But Trump would be best due to his grudges and amorality.

https://youtu.be/pbi-qItN49Q?s...mwGmq1WJu1jHXq&t=299

PNS NewsHour
Brooks and Capehart on Trump's vision for a 2nd term

I linked the video starting at 4:59 to cover just the part about second term.

I only use the term, "Ruler" because Saeed coined it here and I think it's very funny. I used payback because L did and I think it's accurate. I would expect a President Trump to seek revenge for real and imagined slights.

As for what your Conservative organizations actually will do, I don't think you are anymore a prophet than I. You remember your Civics classes as well as I do, if Trump is given another "Reign" Congress will have two elections to be able to shut him down.

Up here, I expect Peltola to retain her seat in The House easily and I intend to vote for her. You and Dollar do your part and stop voting for MTG.

Yea, I got the context of your use of the words "ruler" and "payback" this time.

In my first sentence, I didn't edit close enough. The first use of the word "would" should have been "wouldn't".

There is no doubt that Trump will seek revenge for real and imagined transgressions, per his definition, those deemed against him. Everyone knows that. Some think it's ok. Some think it's appropriate to use the power of the office that way.

Quote:
"As for what your Conservative organizations actually will do, I don't think you are anymore a prophet than I."

They are NOT my conservative orgs. And it doesn't take a prophet to figure out what Trump and Team WANTS to do. All one needs to do is listen to what they say and read what they say in their plans, and take it LITERALLY.

How successful was congress in shutting him down in his first "Reign"? The first time his only constraint was incompetence, chaos, with some competent people in Cabinet and staff thinking they could control him to some extent. It won't be like that next time. At least 20,000 of Bannon-like Shock Troops, loyalists their prime qualification, are ready to go, day one, on Linkedin.

If Trump is elected to another Reign he will be like the Bull in the China Shop, day one, and for at least four years. And he will have plenty of help breaking stuff. In the end, there will be nothing left, not even the shop itself.

quote:

Originally posted by Magine Enigam:
Yea, I got the context of your use of the words "ruler" and "payback" this time.

In my first sentence, I didn't edit close enough. The first use of the word "would" should have been "wouldn't".

There is no doubt that Trump will seek revenge for real and imagined transgressions, per his definition, those deemed against him. Everyone knows that. Some think it's ok. Some think it's appropriate to use the power of the office that way.

Quote:
"As for what your Conservative organizations actually will do, I don't think you are anymore a prophet than I."

They are NOT my conservative orgs. And it doesn't take a prophet to figure out what Trump and Team WANTS to do. All one needs to do is listen to what they say and read what they say in their plans, and take it LITERALLY.

How successful was congress in shutting him down in his first "Reign"? The first time his only constraint was incompetence, chaos, with some competent people in Cabinet and staff thinking they could control him to some extent. It won't be like that next time. At least 20,000 of Bannon-like Shock Troops, loyalists their prime qualification, are ready to go, day one, on Linkedin.

If Trump is elected to another Reign he will be like the Bull in the China Shop, day one, and for at least four years. And he will have plenty of help breaking stuff. In the end, there will be nothing left, not even the shop itself.

Those who do support him must believe that he will have NO NEGATIVE EFFECT on anything in their lives. I don't think that he will fix an economy that currently doesn't seem to need fixing. Inflation? Don't get your hopes up.

IMO if he's in his reign will be an UNMITIGATED FUCKING DISASTER!!

quote:

Those who do support him must believe that he will have NO NEGATIVE EFFECT on anything in their lives.

What a can-o-worms that is.

"Negative Effect" - needs a definition in this context. Economic, freedom, etc., (something that can be measured or tangible) or like values, expectations for the future and children, pride, etc. (intangible and perhaps personal)?

I've heard and read variants of that many times. The hate factor for what they deem to be progressivism, liberalism and liberals personally, is strong in the worse of these people.

But, your sentence describes the somewhat passive (complicit or deniers) in the bunch. There are several such people on this forum.

The most aggressive believe a lot of shit, but mostly what they want is the Trump effect, ever how that translates into reality. But the intangible is the ideological satisfaction and affirmations of making liberalism wrong. The ripple effect of that is hard to predict as to ripple or tsunami. They are being fed a plan, a vision, a narrative, and they cherish it.

After thinking about it some, I think perhaps Reality itself is at stake.

Think about it like this: How does reality happen? How is it recognized, perhaps in transition and in the moment and trajectory?

Now, insert Trump and Trumpism. Think of all the shit Trump has spewed over time. Most of it was made up, an alt-reality in his head. Then his cult bought it.

We are in the twilight zone, when alt-reality and reality are in a contest. It's dystopic, I know, but here it is. That's the power of Trump, or any demagogue, who the Founders predicted as the prime threat to the Republic.

Look at this:

https://youtu.be/JnXL0T8PJ8E?si=V_ZidnGPS9O-4IoH

Despite his criticism of former President Trump, Bill Barr says he would vote for Trump in the 2024 election because he believes Trump would do less damage to the country than Biden.

quote:

Originally posted by Magine Enigam:

quote:

Those who do support him must believe that he will have NO NEGATIVE EFFECT on anything in their lives.

What a can-o-worms that is.

"Negative Effect" - needs a definition in this context. Economic, freedom, etc., (something that can be measured or tangible) or like values, expectations for the future and children, pride, etc. (intangible and perhaps personal)?

I've heard and read variants of that many times. The hate factor for what they deem to be progressivism, liberalism and liberals personally, is strong in the worse of these people.

But, your sentence describes the somewhat passive (complicit or deniers) in the bunch. There are several such people on this forum.

The most aggressive believe a lot of shit, but mostly what they want is the Trump effect, ever how that translates into reality. But the intangible is the ideological satisfaction and affirmations of making liberalism wrong. The ripple effect of that is hard to predict as to ripple or tsunami. They are being fed a plan, a vision, a narrative, and they cherish it.

After thinking about it some, I think perhaps Reality itself is at stake.

Think about it like this: How does reality happen? How is it recognized, perhaps in transition and in the moment and trajectory?

Now, insert Trump and Trumpism. Think of all the shit Trump has spewed over time. Most of it was made up, an alt-reality in his head. Then his cult bought it.

We are in the twilight zone, when alt-reality and reality are in a contest. It's dystopic, I know, but here it is. That's the power of Trump, or any demagogue, who the Founders predicted as the prime threat to the Republic.

I mentioned 2 of the things that his policies might affect. They all say that they like his policies. So I presume that they expect a better economy in
terms of lower taxes [should he get an opportunity to sign a bill lowering them] lower prices like they had before COVID 19 and thus less inflation. Most probably don't know or care about project 2025. He says that he won't screw with Medicare or Social Security, but who really knows.

It's progressive vs regressive, IMO.

quote:

Originally posted by BNagel:
What will another Trump presidency look like?
Well, Saeed and friends will be happily busy insulting his every move. (In other words, quacking about an orange lame duck, only with more stridence than when they wanted to keep him from a second term.)

Well at lease we will be back to there always be something funny to read in the news every day. Shame to see the US becoming a bit of a laughing stock though.

Here's something we haven't considered:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news...8b776f7cd2f5f&ei=108

A second Trump term would be a surveillance nightmare
Story by Ja'han Jones • 14h

Here's something Trump will be sure to fix in his second term:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/mone...8b776f7cd2f5f&ei=161

Trump Media accounting firm charged by SEC with 'massive fraud'
8h •

We're certain to get more of this if Trump has a second term:

https://youtu.be/2V945W3PXWM?si=TFFaxKeJonHGbZlw

Meet the People Who Got Roe v. Wade Overturned
Mrs. Betty Bowers, America's Best Christian

https://youtu.be/vTgmtNbLg3g?si=B3ggqYkSxC0TA_oT

Top 10 Predictions for 2024

The Grift of Prophesy - Betty Bowers

Although Steve Bannon may serve time, he will get back to what he's been doing too soon.

The 20,000 shock troops in Heritage Foundation's 2025 plan was his idea.

In a Trump second term Bannon will be right there in the middle of the chaos, but probably not part of Trump Team directly.

Another person is Michael Flynn who will be there too, preaching his shit.

https://wapo.st/4a8Kx7Y

How Steve Bannon guided the MAGA movement’s rebound from Jan. 6

By Isaac Arnsdorf
April 4, 2024 at 5:00 a.m. EDT

quote:

Originally posted by Magine Enigam:
Yea, I got the context of your use of the words "ruler" and "payback" this time.

In my first sentence, I didn't edit close enough. The first use of the word "would" should have been "wouldn't".

There is no doubt that Trump will seek revenge for real and imagined transgressions, per his definition, those deemed against him. Everyone knows that. Some think it's ok. Some think it's appropriate to use the power of the office that way.

Quote:
"As for what your Conservative organizations actually will do, I don't think you are anymore a prophet than I."

They are NOT my conservative orgs. And it doesn't take a prophet to figure out what Trump and Team WANTS to do. All one needs to do is listen to what they say and read what they say in their plans, and take it LITERALLY.

How successful was congress in shutting him down in his first "Reign"? The first time his only constraint was incompetence, chaos, with some competent people in Cabinet and staff thinking they could control him to some extent. It won't be like that next time. At least 20,000 of Bannon-like Shock Troops, loyalists their prime qualification, are ready to go, day one, on Linkedin.

If Trump is elected to another Reign he will be like the Bull in the China Shop, day one, and for at least four years. And he will have plenty of help breaking stuff. In the end, there will be nothing left, not even the shop itself.

So a possibly democratic Congress, a SCOTUS possibly in opposition and a possibly unhelpful law enforcement and military would have no effect?

Come on Man.

As for Congress in Trump's last term, you'll have to remind me what nefarious success he had. I like his SCOTUS nominees, I wouldn't say I agree with all their decisions. Other than Judge Amy, I'd say trump failed in Afghanistan, failed with Corona, failed with the debt, I appreciate his efforts with DPRK, but that was a failure,....
Border Wall? Failure, what would Steve Bannon think Trump succeeded at?

Trumps next go around will find an educated opposition. They know who they dealing with and how to block him.

quote:

Originally posted by Scott King:

quote:

Originally posted by Magine Enigam:
Yea, I got the context of your use of the words "ruler" and "payback" this time.

In my first sentence, I didn't edit close enough. The first use of the word "would" should have been "wouldn't".

There is no doubt that Trump will seek revenge for real and imagined transgressions, per his definition, those deemed against him. Everyone knows that. Some think it's ok. Some think it's appropriate to use the power of the office that way.

Quote:
"As for what your Conservative organizations actually will do, I don't think you are anymore a prophet than I."

They are NOT my conservative orgs. And it doesn't take a prophet to figure out what Trump and Team WANTS to do. All one needs to do is listen to what they say and read what they say in their plans, and take it LITERALLY.

How successful was congress in shutting him down in his first "Reign"? The first time his only constraint was incompetence, chaos, with some competent people in Cabinet and staff thinking they could control him to some extent. It won't be like that next time. At least 20,000 of Bannon-like Shock Troops, loyalists their prime qualification, are ready to go, day one, on Linkedin.

If Trump is elected to another Reign he will be like the Bull in the China Shop, day one, and for at least four years. And he will have plenty of help breaking stuff. In the end, there will be nothing left, not even the shop itself.

So a possibly democratic Congress, a SCOTUS possibly in opposition and a possibly unhelpful law enforcement and military would have no effect?

Come on Man.

As for Congress in Trump's last term, you'll have to remind me what nefarious success he had. I like his SCOTUS nominees, I wouldn't say I agree with all their decisions. Other than Judge Amy, I'd say trump failed in Afghanistan, failed with Corona, failed with the debt, I appreciate his efforts with DPRK, but that was a failure,....
Border Wall? Failure, what would Steve Bannon think Trump succeeded at?

Trumps next go around will find an educated opposition. They know who they dealing with and how to block him.

Does anyone ever stop to think how silly it is that a reality TV star became president int he first place? The bar is very low which is the biggest worry. Biden is senile and even before he was plagurizing speeches. Trump is using all of this as a platform with no regard for the results. Ever think we are the ones getting worked? this is the best we can do? Just seems odd to me when two logical guys argue their sides when neither side really wants to do anything for them.

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Yea, I got the context of your use of the words "ruler" and "payback" this time.

In my first sentence, I didn't edit close enough. The first use of the word "would" should have been "wouldn't".

There is no doubt that Trump will seek revenge for real and imagined transgressions, per his definition, those deemed against him. Everyone knows that. Some think it's ok. Some think it's appropriate to use the power of the office that way.

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"As for what your Conservative organizations actually will do, I don't think you are anymore a prophet than I."

They are NOT my conservative orgs. And it doesn't take a prophet to figure out what Trump and Team WANTS to do. All one needs to do is listen to what they say and read what they say in their plans, and take it LITERALLY.

How successful was congress in shutting him down in his first "Reign"? The first time his only constraint was incompetence, chaos, with some competent people in Cabinet and staff thinking they could control him to some extent. It won't be like that next time. At least 20,000 of Bannon-like Shock Troops, loyalists their prime qualification, are ready to go, day one, on Linkedin.

If Trump is elected to another Reign he will be like the Bull in the China Shop, day one, and for at least four years. And he will have plenty of help breaking stuff. In the end, there will be nothing left, not even the shop itself.

So a possibly democratic Congress, a SCOTUS possibly in opposition and a possibly unhelpful law enforcement and military would have no effect?

Come on Man.

As for Congress in Trump's last term, you'll have to remind me what nefarious success he had. I like his SCOTUS nominees, I wouldn't say I agree with all their decisions. Other than Judge Amy, I'd say trump failed in Afghanistan, failed with Corona, failed with the debt, I appreciate his efforts with DPRK, but that was a failure,....
Border Wall? Failure, what would Steve Bannon think Trump succeeded at?

Trumps next go around will find an educated opposition. They know who they dealing with and how to block him.

Does anyone ever stop to think how silly it is that a reality TV star became president int he first place? The bar is very low which is the biggest worry. Biden is senile and even before he was plagurizing speeches. Trump is using all of this as a platform with no regard for the results. Ever think we are the ones getting worked? this is the best we can do? Just seems odd to me when two logical guys argue their sides when neither side really wants to do anything for them.

There's been unilateral agreement here that the bar has been at Rock bottom since before 2016. "W" failed us. Obama came and left with no experience or progress.

Ive said for less than a decade that I refuse to lower myself. I'm not voting for trump, no way not for any reason. Not to keep Biden out, not because I like or support Trump, no, no way. And what brain dead retard would favor Biden/ Harris?!?!?! You gotta be on drugs to think they're helpful.

My friends here will tell you I've said for a while the GOP needs to be destroyed, go away, vanish, evaporate. The GOP doesn't represent us, isn't good or actually is conservative, nor is it working for the progress of America.

Of course we're getting worked.

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So a possibly democratic Congress, a SCOTUS possibly in opposition and a possibly unhelpful law enforcement and military would have no effect?

Come on Man.

what would Steve Bannon think Trump succeeded at?

Trumps next go around will find an educated opposition. They know who they dealing with and how to block him.

You are talking about possibilities. I'm talking about a plan. You think the "system" will protect us from Trump and Team. How's that working out?

There is a lot that Trump Team can do regardless of opposition, educated or not.

Bannon would notice that Trump is still viable. He succeeded at that.

Why should the opposition have to block him? Is there not a better way? We're all American patriots - right?

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Why should the opposition have to block him? Is there not a better way? We're all American patriots - right?

Because that is what the opposition does. Same as the uk or any other democracy. The other side is bad so we work to prevent them. There should be a beeter way but too many here are tied to party politics. One side says a dottering old man is good. The other says a seditionist is best. I will say again to deaf ears, is this two the best we can do?