And $800,000

Bloody ridiculous!

It is just simply....1 do not know.
Insanity.

I absolutely hate that these lawsuits continue, and I hate what they have done to our country.

But at the same time I have to wonder how in the hell McDonalds can get something that hot to a customer quick enough to cause a burn.

And as a parent, I wonder if I would have checked the temp of the food before handing it to a 4 year old.

We are awfully coddled here in the first world.

Such awards are rare in these days of tort reform. It's more common for personal injury plaintiffs to be shut out by juries or awarded token damages. Of course, these verdicts never make the news.

But go on believing myths sold by mass media.

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Originally posted by JBrown:
I absolutely hate that these lawsuits continue, and I hate what they have done to our country.

But at the same time I have to wonder how in the hell McDonalds can get something that hot to a customer quick enough to cause a burn.

And as a parent, I wonder if I would have checked the temp of the food before handing it to a 4 year old.

We are awfully coddled here in the first world.

My McNuggets usually taste like they've been sitting under a heat lamp for an hour.

Here's the real story on the other McDonald's "outrage" verdict. The one you never hear:

"In 1992, 79-year-old Stella Liebeck bought a cup of takeout coffee at a McDonald’s drive-thru in Albuquerque and spilled it on her lap. She sued McDonald’s and a jury awarded her nearly $3 million in punitive damages for the burns she suffered.

Typical reaction: Isn’t coffee supposed to be hot? And McDonald’s didn’t pour the coffee on her, she spilled it on herself! Besides, she was driving the car and wasn’t paying attention.

Now for the facts:

Mrs. Liebeck was not driving when her coffee spilled, nor was the car she was in moving. She was the passenger in a car that was stopped in the parking lot of the McDonald’s where she bought the coffee. She had the cup between her knees while removing the lid to add cream and sugar when the cup tipped over and spilled the entire contents on her lap.

The coffee was not just “hot,” but dangerously hot. McDonald’s corporate policy was to serve it at a temperature that could cause serious burns in seconds. Mrs. Liebeck’s injuries were far from frivolous. She was wearing sweatpants that absorbed the coffee and kept it against her skin. She suffered third-degree burns (the most serious kind) and required skin grafts on her inner thighs and elsewhere.

Liebeck’s case was far from an isolated event. McDonald’s had received more than 700 previous reports of injury from its coffee, including reports of third-degree burns, and had paid settlements in some cases.

Mrs. Liebeck offered to settle the case for $20,000 to cover her medical expenses and lost income. But McDonald’s never offered more than $800, so the case went to trial. The jury found Mrs. Liebeck to be partially at fault for her injuries, reducing the compensation for her injuries accordingly. But the jury’s punitive damages award made headlines — upset by McDonald’s unwillingness to correct a policy despite hundreds of people suffering injuries, they awarded Liebeck the equivalent of two days’ worth of revenue from coffee sales for the restaurant chain. That wasn’t, however, the end of it. The original punitive damage award was ultimately reduced by more than 80 percent by the judge. And, to avoid what likely would have been years of appeals, Mrs. Liebeck and McDonald’s later reached a confidential settlement.

Here is some of the evidence the jury heard during the trial:
McDonald’s operations manual required the franchisee to hold its coffee at 180 to 190 degrees Fahrenheit.
Coffee at that temperature, if spilled, causes third-degree burns in three to seven seconds.
The chairman of the department of mechanical engineering and biomechanical engineering at the University of Texas testified that this risk of harm is unacceptable, as did a widely recognized expert on burns, the editor-in-chief of the Journal of Burn Care and Rehabilitation, the leading scholarly publication in the specialty.
McDonald’s admitted it had known about the risk of serious burns from its scalding hot coffee for more than 10 years. The risk had repeatedly been brought to its attention through numerous other claims and suits.
An expert witness for the company testified that the number of burns was insignificant compared to the billions of cups of coffee the company served each year.
At least one juror later told the Wall Street Journal she thought the company wasn’t taking the injuries seriously. To the corporate restaurant giant those 700 injury cases caused by hot coffee seemed relatively rare compared to the millions of cups of coffee served. But, the juror noted, “there was a person behind every number and I don’t think the corporation was attaching enough importance to that.”
McDonald’s quality assurance manager testified that McDonald’s coffee, at the temperature at which it was poured into Styrofoam cups, was not fit for consumption because it would burn the mouth and throat.
McDonald’s admitted at trial that consumers were unaware of the extent of the risk of serious burns from spilled coffee served at McDonald’s then-required temperature.
McDonald’s admitted it did not warn customers of the nature and extent of this risk and could offer no explanation as to why it did not.

In a story about the case published shortly after the verdict was delivered in 1994, one of the jurors said over the course of the trial he came to realize the case was about “callous disregard for the safety of the people.” Another juror said “the facts were so overwhelmingly against the company.”

That’s because those jurors were able to hear all the facts — including those presented by McDonald’s — and see the extent of Mrs. Liebeck’s injuries. Ask anyone who criticizes the case as a “frivolous lawsuit” that resulted in “jackpot justice” if they have done the same."

https://www.caoc.org/?pg=facts



These kinds of disputes need to be determined based on facts. McDonald's got exactly what it deserved.

Mike, I have heard the whole story behind the McDonald’s coffee verdict. I would guess that this McNugget verdict is more of an employee error, rather than a callous company policy. I base this on the fact that I’ve never had a McNugget that was more than lukewarm.

Merit aside, personal injury lawsuits, and the fear of such have cost us all. I’m not talking about the monetary cost, but more in the barriers that they are responsible for creating, both physical and abstract.

The media deserves part of the blame for public discourse, but a lot of the response to personal injury lawsuits is due to direct involvement with the multitude of smaller cases that are not deemed newsworthy.

I never have to worry.
I dont eat McDonalds, or any other fast food like it.
I will get a sandwich at a subway, not sure if that is the same thing or not.