Hey Folks, it been a while since I've been on here and I'd like to state for the record that the United States of America is not a "democracy" in spite of the popular opinion.

The United States is a Constitutional Republic. The fact we have an elected representative government is what makes the United States a Republic.

The Constitution formed this general, Federal Government.

By definition, the United States is a Limited Democracy.

To say, the United States is not a democracy is false. We are not a pure democracy.

The Supreme Court speaks often of the traditions and historical values of our political system so as to be just. What you identify as popular opinion.

When someone violates the democratic principles enshrined in the Constitution of the United States or longstanding traditions and historical values like the peaceful transition of power after a sue election, they are repugnant to our political system.

That is one facet of my post. For me to say that the US is not a Democracy is accurate. One of my points is that there is so much of the citizenry that do not know/care that puts this experiment in more trouble. To answer your question about popular opinion, apathy, ignorance, and the fact that the MSM and so many politicians push the "democracy" narrative and there are so many Americans that don't care, but are more concerned about the ball game than the future of this country. It is 100% true to say that this country is a constitutional Republic with elements of democracy with the Republic trumping democracy.

Funny how folks that stomp around huffing "The U.S. is not a democracy" tend to be those trying to institute or hold on to minority rule, which was never intended by the Founders.

The US is a democratic republic. Our governing representatives are elected by popular vote.

Ancient Rome was a republic, but not a democratic one. The senators all held their office by inheritance.

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Originally posted by RolandtheHeadless:
The US is a democratic republic. Our governing representatives are elected by popular vote.

Ancient Rome was a republic, but not a democratic one. The senators all held their office by inheritance.

Ours would too, given half a chance.

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Originally posted by Tumbleweed:

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Originally posted by RolandtheHeadless:
The US is a democratic republic. Our governing representatives are elected by popular vote.

Ancient Rome was a republic, but not a democratic one. The senators all held their office by inheritance.

Ours would too, given half a chance.

Yep, Kennedy, Clinton’s, Bushes

There was a Second Political body or chamber in Rome. I forget the name of it. That was elected by more of a popular vote.

At one point, the leader of this body was getting too powerful, and a bunch of Partisans conspired to murder him. They turned they “mob” against him, and he was murdered.

I do not know if this political body was dissolved bf the the rise of Cesar.

It had real political power at one point.

It was kind of like the House of Commons or Representatives.

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Originally posted by jeffs:
That is one facet of my post. For me to say that the US is not a Democracy is accurate. One of my points is that there is so much of the citizenry that do not know/care that puts this experiment in more trouble. To answer your question about popular opinion, apathy, ignorance, and the fact that the MSM and so many politicians push the "democracy" narrative and there are so many Americans that don't care, but are more concerned about the ball game than the future of this country. It is 100% true to say that this country is a constitutional Republic with elements of democracy with the Republic trumping democracy.

Except your post is not true. We are a limited democracy. There are two basic types of democracies. Thus, we are a democracy. What we are not is a pure democracy. We have a lot “pure democracy” appendages. Stayed other Leiden, we are a very liberal or less restrictive limited democracy.

The Franchise or what Justice Marshall called the “sovereign people” has near universal application. The only inherent limitation being age.

Those words you use being “Constitutional Republic with elements of democracy” is a limited democracy.

Frankly, the only functions. that prevents us from being a pure democracy is the electoral college as the selection of Senators has been extended to the popular vote. The Federal Judiciary, and appointment of Generals and Admirals by the Executive.

Even those two aspects are subject to democratic restriction of confirmation by the Senate selected by direct vote of the people.

To the pure democracy side of the ledger we can add the voting, citizens vote directly on whether to go to war.

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Originally posted by Jefffive:
Funny how folks that stomp around huffing "The U.S. is not a democracy" tend to be those trying to institute or hold on to minority rule, which was never intended by the Founders.

Please explain what you mean by minority rule and how that is counter to what the founders intended.

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Originally posted by Jefffive:
Funny how folks that stomp around huffing "The U.S. is not a democracy" tend to be those trying to institute or hold on to minority rule, which was never intended by the Founders.

Please explain what you mean by minority rule and how that is counter to what the founders intended.

You can start at the top with Republicans being elected President while losing the popular vote by several million, then move on to States where more people vote for Democrats than Republicans but State Legislatures are majority Republican because of gerrymandering.

Alabama racially gerrymandering districts to keep African Americans from voting in candidates if their choice per the Supreme Court.

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Originally posted by Jefffive:

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Originally posted by jeffs:

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Originally posted by Jefffive:
Funny how folks that stomp around huffing "The U.S. is not a democracy" tend to be those trying to institute or hold on to minority rule, which was never intended by the Founders.

Please explain what you mean by minority rule and how that is counter to what the founders intended.

You can start at the top with Republicans being elected President while losing the popular vote by several million, then move on to States where more people vote for Democrats than Republicans but State Legislatures are majority Republican because of gerrymandering.

Yeah, jeffe, only evil republicans jerry laser Congressional districts.....what a moron you are! Take a look at shield Jackson speed district and tell me about Republican gerrymandering.

We are a representative republic more than any sense of a democracy....electoral college junior! Wisely put in place by our founders.

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Originally posted by Jefffive:

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Originally posted by jeffs:

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Originally posted by Jefffive:
Funny how folks that stomp around huffing "The U.S. is not a democracy" tend to be those trying to institute or hold on to minority rule, which was never intended by the Founders.

Please explain what you mean by minority rule and how that is counter to what the founders intended.

You can start at the top with Republicans being elected President while losing the popular vote by several million, then move on to States where more people vote for Democrats than Republicans but State Legislatures are majority Republican because of gerrymandering.

Yeah, jeffe, only evil republicans jerry laser Congressional districts.....what a moron you are! Take a look at shield Jackson speed district and tell me about Republican gerrymandering.

We are a representative republic more than any sense of a democracy....electoral college junior! Wisely put in place by our founders.

Well said.

Sheila Jackson Lee's 18th congressional district -


While not obvious to a Non-Houstonian, this is laid out to include most of the historically black neighborhoods.

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Sheila Jackson Lee's 18th congressional district -


While not obvious to a Non-Houstonian, this is laid out to include most of the historically black neighborhoods.

In the 2020 election Trump got 49.93% of the vote in North Carolina, Biden got 48.59%.

The Republican Legislature just released new redistricting maps that are expected to result in 4 Districts going for Democrats and 10 going for Republicans.