It's past time to elect some real dullards to office that'll prioritize things like bridges, roads and levees, reservoirs and public water supply, land management and other public safety instead of DEI, illegal immigrants/ sanctuary cities, and Hamas/ Palestine.
12 January 2025, 01:55
M.Shy
It is so unfortunate Probably not completely preventable Fires are fires and we who live in western states including Cali live with it Tough deal on people I can imagine there will be some political fallout but in times of tragedies, those things to to have tendencies to show ineptness of leaders
Never been lost, just confused here and there for month or two
12 January 2025, 04:08
TomP
Not a lot of good choices regarding a brush fire with 80 mile-per-hour wind behind it. Air tankers don't fly in that kind of wind, and it would be tough to aim a drop if they did. I idly wonder how many municipalities have a water system designed for a couple-mile-wide flame front.
TomP
Our country, right or wrong. When right, to be kept right, when wrong to be put right.
Carl Schurz (1829 - 1906)
12 January 2025, 05:25
Scott King
quote:
Originally posted by TomP: Not a lot of good choices regarding a brush fire with 80 mile-per-hour wind behind it. Air tankers don't fly in that kind of wind, and it would be tough to aim a drop if they did. I idly wonder how many municipalities have a water system designed for a couple-mile-wide flame front.
Tom, I suspect we agree it's the choices that were not made decades, years, months and weeks ago that formed this and other disasters.
The fuel load has to be reduced. Cut it down, burn it off, weed whack it, graze it, put a dozer to work, whatever.
When it's a combination of Mt Vesuvius, St Helens, Kiluala, and an atom bomb heading for your front door at 100mph, municipal water supply doesn't matter. They have to reduce the fuel load before it gets to the subdivision.
Degenerate 1:1 1 Then Trump said, "Let Us re-make a Nation in MY Image, after My likeness, to rule over everything in the Nation, and over all the earth itself and every creature that crawls upon it".
Degenerate 1:2 2 Then Trump said, "Vengeance is mine, I will repay on your behalf."
Degenerate 1:3 3 "My Kingdom come, My will be done."
"When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross." - Sinclair Lewis
Degenerate 1:1 1 Then Trump said, "Let Us re-make a Nation in MY Image, after My likeness, to rule over everything in the Nation, and over all the earth itself and every creature that crawls upon it".
Degenerate 1:2 2 Then Trump said, "Vengeance is mine, I will repay on your behalf."
Degenerate 1:3 3 "My Kingdom come, My will be done."
"When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross." - Sinclair Lewis
When are you indoctrinated MAGAdites goona realize that when Trump is running his mouth, he's lying?
And lets just not discuss the fact that LA cut the fire department's budget by 100 million, while the state spent 2.8 billion on illegals. The reservoir drained for repairs and not ready for fire season. Lets just call Trump a liar, it's all his fault anyway, and completely ignore the mismanagement by the state and local governments.
12 January 2025, 23:46
jeffeosso
it's always "defund the police" till it hits a libby's house
Budget Cuts to Fire Department Are a Point of Contention, but the Full Picture Is Complicated A closer look at the mechanics of budgeting offers some answers, but the financing is far from rosy.
Degenerate 1:1 1 Then Trump said, "Let Us re-make a Nation in MY Image, after My likeness, to rule over everything in the Nation, and over all the earth itself and every creature that crawls upon it".
Degenerate 1:2 2 Then Trump said, "Vengeance is mine, I will repay on your behalf."
Degenerate 1:3 3 "My Kingdom come, My will be done."
"When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross." - Sinclair Lewis
“When the rich rob the poor, it's called business ... When the poor fight back, it's called violence.” - Mark Twain
"Be careful. When a democracy is sick, fascism comes to its bedside, but it is not to inquire about its health." - Albert Camus
13 January 2025, 09:00
TomP
quote:
Originally posted by Scott King:
quote:
Originally posted by TomP: Not a lot of good choices regarding a brush fire with 80 mile-per-hour wind behind it. Air tankers don't fly in that kind of wind, and it would be tough to aim a drop if they did. I idly wonder how many municipalities have a water system designed for a couple-mile-wide flame front.
Tom, I suspect we agree it's the choices that were not made decades, years, months and weeks ago that formed this and other disasters.
The fuel load has to be reduced. Cut it down, burn it off, weed whack it, graze it, put a dozer to work, whatever.
When it's a combination of Mt Vesuvius, St Helens, Kiluala, and an atom bomb heading for your front door at 100mph, municipal water supply doesn't matter. They have to reduce the fuel load before it gets to the subdivision.
Rake the forest.
Interesting PBS program tonight discussing the Yurok tribe's tradition of burning underbrush before it gets big enough to threaten the trees when it burns.
Most pilots won't fly in a hurricane, just a few specialists in P3 Orions with a reason to do it. Combine a fire with hurricane-strength wind and that's just not going out until it's damn good and ready. Trump's understanding of the matter is insufficient to form an opinion, or he's pandering to an audience.
TomP
Our country, right or wrong. When right, to be kept right, when wrong to be put right.
Carl Schurz (1829 - 1906)
13 January 2025, 09:06
Saeed
Total failure of those in power!
Add to it the stupid home grown terrorists, aka environmentalists!
Originally posted by TomP: Not a lot of good choices regarding a brush fire with 80 mile-per-hour wind behind it. Air tankers don't fly in that kind of wind, and it would be tough to aim a drop if they did. I idly wonder how many municipalities have a water system designed for a couple-mile-wide flame front.
Tom, I suspect we agree it's the choices that were not made decades, years, months and weeks ago that formed this and other disasters.
The fuel load has to be reduced. Cut it down, burn it off, weed whack it, graze it, put a dozer to work, whatever.
When it's a combination of Mt Vesuvius, St Helens, Kiluala, and an atom bomb heading for your front door at 100mph, municipal water supply doesn't matter. They have to reduce the fuel load before it gets to the subdivision.
Rake the forest.
Interesting PBS program tonight discussing the Yurok tribe's tradition of burning underbrush before it gets big enough to threaten the trees when it burns.
Most pilots won't fly in a hurricane, just a few specialists in P3 Orions with a reason to do it. Combine a fire with hurricane-strength wind and that's just not going out until it's damn good and ready. Trump's understanding of the matter is insufficient to form an opinion, or he's pandering to an audience.
Tom, Trump learned from politics that no crisis goes to waste and politics ultimately work that way no matter the party Newsom is handling it well and setting himself up for 2028 presidential race but time will tell if it works and lasts until 2028
Never been lost, just confused here and there for month or two
13 January 2025, 16:09
Saeed
quote:
Originally posted by M.Shy:
quote:
Originally posted by TomP:
quote:
Originally posted by Scott King:
quote:
Originally posted by TomP: Not a lot of good choices regarding a brush fire with 80 mile-per-hour wind behind it. Air tankers don't fly in that kind of wind, and it would be tough to aim a drop if they did. I idly wonder how many municipalities have a water system designed for a couple-mile-wide flame front.
Tom, I suspect we agree it's the choices that were not made decades, years, months and weeks ago that formed this and other disasters.
The fuel load has to be reduced. Cut it down, burn it off, weed whack it, graze it, put a dozer to work, whatever.
When it's a combination of Mt Vesuvius, St Helens, Kiluala, and an atom bomb heading for your front door at 100mph, municipal water supply doesn't matter. They have to reduce the fuel load before it gets to the subdivision.
Rake the forest.
Interesting PBS program tonight discussing the Yurok tribe's tradition of burning underbrush before it gets big enough to threaten the trees when it burns.
Most pilots won't fly in a hurricane, just a few specialists in P3 Orions with a reason to do it. Combine a fire with hurricane-strength wind and that's just not going out until it's damn good and ready. Trump's understanding of the matter is insufficient to form an opinion, or he's pandering to an audience.
Tom, Trump learned from politics that no crisis goes to waste and politics ultimately work that way no matter the party Newsom is handling it well and setting himself up for 2028 presidential race but time will tell if it works and lasts until 2028
This wouldn’t have happened if a half decent human being was governor!
The brush in California burns because that is what brush does from time to time. The houses burn because they are there. They are there because people built them there. The winds blow there because they always have. Pack more and more people into an area, and more people will be affected. Bill
13 January 2025, 19:23
MJines
Only 0.16 inches of rainfall recorded in downtown LA from May 6 to December 31. Winds gusting to 60 mph. Humidity around 30-40%. Must be the politicians fault, certainly would not be the weather. And if you absolutely have to blame someone other than God, might start with the climate change deniers.
Mike
13 January 2025, 19:31
Saeed
I still don’t understand why they do not build desalination planets!
Most of our is desalinated because we do not have enough rain!
Budget Cuts to Fire Department Are a Point of Contention, but the Full Picture Is Complicated A closer look at the mechanics of budgeting offers some answers, but the financing is far from rosy.
Firefighting planes are dumping ocean water on the Los Angeles fires − why using saltwater is typically a last resort Story by Patrick Megonigal, Smithsonian Institution • 2h • 4 min read
Degenerate 1:1 1 Then Trump said, "Let Us re-make a Nation in MY Image, after My likeness, to rule over everything in the Nation, and over all the earth itself and every creature that crawls upon it".
Degenerate 1:2 2 Then Trump said, "Vengeance is mine, I will repay on your behalf."
Degenerate 1:3 3 "My Kingdom come, My will be done."
"When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross." - Sinclair Lewis
Degenerate 1:1 1 Then Trump said, "Let Us re-make a Nation in MY Image, after My likeness, to rule over everything in the Nation, and over all the earth itself and every creature that crawls upon it".
Degenerate 1:2 2 Then Trump said, "Vengeance is mine, I will repay on your behalf."
Degenerate 1:3 3 "My Kingdom come, My will be done."
"When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross." - Sinclair Lewis
“When the rich rob the poor, it's called business ... When the poor fight back, it's called violence.” - Mark Twain
"Be careful. When a democracy is sick, fascism comes to its bedside, but it is not to inquire about its health." - Albert Camus
13 January 2025, 21:18
TomP
quote:
Originally posted by M.Shy: Tom, Trump learned from politics that no crisis goes to waste and politics ultimately work that way no matter the party Newsom is handling it well and setting himself up for 2028 presidential race but time will tell if it works and lasts until 2028
I have trouble envisioning Newsom as a president. He might turn the California vote purple.
It will be interesting to see what turns out to be the proximate cause of the fire. Our building codes require design for 90 mile-per-hour winds. A 70 mile-per-hour gust is common in Santa Ana season.
TomP
Our country, right or wrong. When right, to be kept right, when wrong to be put right.
Carl Schurz (1829 - 1906)
13 January 2025, 21:35
Aspen Hill Adventures
Things like this:
quote:
California cannot deport the man who was arrested for setting fires in Los Angeles, even though he is reportedly an illegal immigrant.
Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) identified the man as Juan Manuel Sierra-Leyva, a Mexican national who is in the United States illegally. He was tackled by Southern Californian residents as he was trying to start fires with a blowtorch last week. Arson has been a problem as criminals try to expand fires for more burglary opportunities.
Sierra-Leyva is being held on a felony probation violation but since California is a sanctuary state, ICE told Fox News that they don't expect to detain him for long. According to The New York Post, "The Los Angeles City Council unanimously passed an ordinance in November that prohibits the use of city resources and personnel to carry out federal immigration enforcement."
Then there's this.
quote:
Officials said that the Santa Ynez Reservoir had been closed since about February for repairs to its cover, leaving a 117-million-gallon water storage complex empty in the heart of the Palisades for nearly a year.
Empty for a year? Gawd. How incompetent.
There is very little rain on average in LA and it has always been that way.
Originally posted by M.Shy: Tom, Trump learned from politics that no crisis goes to waste and politics ultimately work that way no matter the party Newsom is handling it well and setting himself up for 2028 presidential race but time will tell if it works and lasts until 2028
I have trouble envisioning Newsom as a president. He might turn the California vote purple.
It will be interesting to see what turns out to be the proximate cause of the fire. Our building codes require design for 90 mile-per-hour winds. A 70 mile-per-hour gust is common in Santa Ana season.
The wind didn't blow the structures down, but it sure helped to fan the fires. Regardless of how they started, once started it would be impossible to stop them from spreading. Sure there were glitches with water delivery at first, but supposedly that was cleared within a few hours. Not enough personnel and equipment to service everyone either. There likely would have been a lot of squealing if the utilities had cut power to their service lines.
Give me a home where the buffalo roam and I'll show you a house full of buffalo shit.
