Seems like a day does not go by when I find myself thinking that at some point someone slipped a stupid pill into a GOP cocktail. The latest example is the GOP relentlessly attacking Biden, forcing Biden out of the race and having Biden replaced with a better candidate to run against Trump. Let's take the one candidate Trump can clearly beat, Biden, and run him off so that we can run against a candidate that has a better chance of beating of us. Look, I make no secret of the fact that I have no desire to see Trump, an immoral, unethical seditionist, win, but what leaves me scratching my head is how the GOP seems to get dumber with each passing day. Of course, the answer is that the GOP has cancer, it is Trumponoma and it is type of cancer that eats your brain and your soul. The sooner that cancer is removed, the sooner the GOP can begin the road to recovery.

The DNC convention will break the tie, yugely, if not before.

The GOPer panic will generate some crazy stuff.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news...a161fe9ec8455a&ei=73

Republicans No Longer Favorites In Three Battleground States
Story by James Bickerton • 2h • 1 min read

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Originally posted by MJines:
Seems like a day does not go by when I find myself thinking that at some point someone slipped a stupid pill into a GOP cocktail. The latest example is the GOP relentlessly attacking Biden, forcing Biden out of the race and having Biden replaced with a better candidate to run against Trump. Let's take the one candidate Trump can clearly beat, Biden, and run him off so that we can run against a candidate that has a better chance of beating of us. Look, I make no secret of the fact that I have no desire to see Trump, an immoral, unethical seditionist, win, but what leaves me scratching my head is how the GOP seems to get dumber with each passing day. Of course, the answer is that the GOP has cancer, it is Trumponoma and it is type of cancer that eats your brain and your soul. The sooner that cancer is removed, the sooner the GOP can begin the road to recovery.

Well put, but how to convince millions of dummies to think otherwise. They can't seem to fathom that he's not running to help them, but rather himself.

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The sooner that cancer is removed, the sooner the GOP can begin the road to recovery.

Unfortunately, IMO, the type of cancer Trump represents, and festers, is self-perpetuating and regenerative.

The effect on the nation is degenerative.

The one thing that's certain is that Trump is narcissistic through and through.

Exploitive, manipulative, lack of empathy, pretending to care about those he uses are just some of the traits.

When Trump says "I love the poorly educated" or "I love my beautiful Christians", he's lying. What he loves is that he can use them, and they welcome it. It's not them that he loves. And "loves" in this political context is a lie too. He could say "your adulation pleases my ego", which would be true.

To be fair. It was probably not the attacks from the right on Biden, But the perception from media and public after the debate that made the dems drop him.

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Originally posted by Magine Enigam:

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The sooner that cancer is removed, the sooner the GOP can begin the road to recovery.

Unfortunately, IMO, the type of cancer Trump represents, and festers, is self-perpetuating and regenerative.

The effect on the nation is degenerative.

The one thing that's certain is that Trump is narcissistic through and through.

Exploitive, manipulative, lack of empathy, pretending to care about those he uses are just some of the traits.

When Trump says "I love the poorly educated" or "I love my beautiful Christians", he's lying. What he loves is that he can use them, and they welcome it. It's not them that he loves. And "loves" in this political context is a lie too. He could say "your adulation pleases my ego", which would be true.

Trump is not the cancer. It is all the things that cause Trump the tumor to come to head that is the cancer. The problem is at the cellular level.

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Originally posted by Magine Enigam:

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The sooner that cancer is removed, the sooner the GOP can begin the road to recovery.

Unfortunately, IMO, the type of cancer Trump represents, and festers, is self-perpetuating and regenerative.

The effect on the nation is degenerative.

The one thing that's certain is that Trump is narcissistic through and through.

Exploitive, manipulative, lack of empathy, pretending to care about those he uses are just some of the traits.

When Trump says "I love the poorly educated" or "I love my beautiful Christians", he's lying. What he loves is that he can use them, and they welcome it. It's not them that he loves. And "loves" in this political context is a lie too. He could say "your adulation pleases my ego", which would be true.

and there's a plan on the left to fix all this, right? you know, the side of the angels, right.. as everyone right of you is "mindless scum" right?

I am not seeing it in the DNC plan , but happy to see it, if you can post a link to an official source, not some opinion piece

Republicans are at best, under 40% of the voters.
So how do you go about labeling the independents that vote one way one election, and another way the next?
Peoples one size fits all definition of who and what they are, doesn't cut it when there are so many independent voters out there.

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Originally posted by shankspony:
To be fair. It was probably not the attacks from the right on Biden, But the perception from media and public after the debate that made the dems drop him.

I also believe this to be the reason the controllers dumped 0biden. They told him nicely once, to drop out. He refused. Then they said do it or get 25th'd--- probably Nancy did that. They took it from him. That's why we don't see 0biden but for a few minutes here and there but with days of nothing from him in between.

Libs are cutthroats. They will do ANYTHING to win and that includes brain washing their followers that someone who was never voted for is their go-to candidate.

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Originally posted by Magine Enigam:

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The sooner that cancer is removed, the sooner the GOP can begin the road to recovery.

Unfortunately, IMO, the type of cancer Trump represents, and festers, is self-perpetuating and regenerative.

The effect on the nation is degenerative.

The one thing that's certain is that Trump is narcissistic through and through.

Exploitive, manipulative, lack of empathy, pretending to care about those he uses are just some of the traits.

When Trump says "I love the poorly educated" or "I love my beautiful Christians", he's lying. What he loves is that he can use them, and they welcome it. It's not them that he loves. And "loves" in this political context is a lie too. He could say "your adulation pleases my ego", which would be true.

and there's a plan on the left to fix all this, right? you know, the side of the angels, right.. as everyone right of you is "mindless scum" right?

I am not seeing it in the DNC plan , but happy to see it, if you can post a link to an official source, not some opinion piece

The way you asked those questions and prefaced them presents obstackles. To endeavor an answer, first is to decide whether the false accusations are worth dealing with, from a defense mode. So, knowing all that, your bait "plan on the left to fix all this". "angles" on the left, "mindless scum" on the right - I'll just say that's nonsense. You made it up as a taunt.

As I see it, there is no plan on the left to "fix" Trump's or Trumpism's flaws. That's practically unfixable. And if it was, I would hate to see the energy and measures. There just ain't enough psychologists or psychiatrists in the world, and they would be stymied anyway.

What the dem platform has to offer is to serve the people, not an ideology. It ain't about the leaders or the broligarchs. It's pretty simple, really. If they can accomplish that, Trumpism won't go away. It will still gnaw at the ankles of progress.

Trumpism can't be defeated or fixed or satiated, but it can be quelled IF the election system and rule of law holds. The only "fix" for Trumpism is to fix themselves, and we can predict the trajectory of that. Frankly, IMO, Trumpism is a lost cause, and lost causes fizzle on their own accord and weight, hopefully soon. If not, it's like the difference in a tropical storm and a cat 5 hurricane, which will eventually fizzle but after the damage of its passing.

Oh, the "fix"!!!

If Trump loses the election, I figure all the indictments will be prosecuted to the fullest extent. One can only speculate those consequences on Trump and Trumpism. There's GOPer co-defendants, you know. Drama to the max. But, IMO, whatever that path takes is alright with me. The nation will carry on just fine. MAGA Mike and Gym Jordon, etc., can go back to the swamp, and kiss alligator asses.

There is a lot at stake for Trump personally. That's why he's running and panicking.

So, after all that, the "plan" the democrats have is to win the election, and control of congress. A super majority would be nice and efficient. Should that become real, they even have a plan to "fix" SCOTUS. There's some bipartisan support for that.

If that happens, WE will be well served and witness the rule of law in action, and the exec and legislative branches too, as it should be.

Forget the two totally undesirable parties.

Put the blame on the totally brainless VOTERS!

The GOP needs to be done away with. No donations, not funded, not voted for, not registered as.

No more GOP.

Scott, if that’s what you think, you should vote for Harris.

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Originally posted by Saeed:
Forget the two totally undesirable parties.

Put the blame on the totally brainless VOTERS!

They say that if you don't vote you can't bitch.

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Originally posted by Scott King:
The GOP needs to be done away with. No donations, not funded, not voted for, not registered as.

No more GOP.

The dumocrats...started with Obama...needed a dumber than him running mate (Biden) Then Biden needed a dumber running mate..Kamala filled the bill...Now Kamala has to to do the same..along comes Walz to fit right in the dumocrat DNA....Kunt and Koward

Harris has a fighting chance of winning this and if she does then the blame can be placed directly on the GOP and Trump supporters. Why do I say that? Because Biden before and Harris after are not strong candidates and if the GOP and Trump supporters would have picked just about ANY other republican, they would have cleaned house on Biden/Harris. It would have been a GOP landslide, but because Trump has the GOP by the balls and squeezing all the GOP put Trump up as the candidate.

I find it ironic that the very people who are going to put Harris in the white house are the rabid Trump people who pushed for him to be the GOP candidate.

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Originally posted by RolandtheHeadless:
Scott, if that’s what you think, you should vote for Harris.

Can't. Just plain can't.

I don't have anything personally against either Joe or Harris. I don't really buy any of the personal attacks and think their mostly just low class smears that reflect mostly on the attackers themselves.

So personal smears aside, I've seen no reason to vote for either Joe or Harris. I think for his entire life Joe hasn't been much of a "ruler" and Harris has achieved nothing more than winning elections, and that mostly in a state that had no requirements of her other than ethnicity and gender. I'm certainly not going to send that to office to combat Hezbollah and our national debt.

Independents and conservatives themselves are going to have to help themselves with no influence or consideration from the liberals and simply walk away from the GOP. Frankly, it irritates me a bit that my fellow Americans have developed such a fealty to political parties after all the warnings we've been given.

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Originally posted by Scott King:
Frankly, it irritates me a bit that my fellow Americans have developed such a fealty to political parties after all the warnings we've been given.

I agree 100%!!

News is that Iran is attempting to interfere with elections...im favor of Camela...should be proof positive to vote GOP!

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Originally posted by MtElkHunter:

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Originally posted by Scott King:
Frankly, it irritates me a bit that my fellow Americans have developed such a fealty to political parties after all the warnings we've been given.

I agree 100%!!

I have no fealty to the GOP. They are vastly more liberal than I fiscally and need much improvement.

That said…the Democratic Party is totally unsupportable. I wouldn’t support a Democrat for dog catcher. The Democratic Party supports NOTHING that I support and we share NO common views.

If there were a “viable” 3rd party Conservative Party that was actually conservative — I would go there.

But, there is not. Thus, I throw all of my support behind the best game in town for policy important to me — just happens to be the GOP.

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Originally posted by MtElkHunter:

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Originally posted by Scott King:
Frankly, it irritates me a bit that my fellow Americans have developed such a fealty to political parties after all the warnings we've been given.

I agree 100%!!

Suppose two people went to a buffet restaurant, the only one within 1000 miles.

There are three buffet arrays.

One person is a carnivore, the other a vegan.

One buffet array is labeled "dead meat, side tray has toxic sauce", another "garden fresh, side dressing available laced with ag chemicals" and the third "zero calories".

Hopefully you get my point. The toxic sauce and dressing are optional and addictive, consumer beware. (see preceding post)

What the dem platform has to offer is to serve the people, not an ideology. [/QUOTE]
You can't seriously mean this. The Dem platform is all about ideology. It is all about liberalism in all its guises. It is, as I have previously agreed, different from Trumpism, which is the following of an individual, but no different in one aspect, the mindless acceptance of the platform. Regards, Bill.

Okay bill. One hashmark for you on the skivvies of cyberspace.

It is all about liberalism vs illiberalism in all its guises.

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Originally posted by MJines:
Seems like a day does not go by when I find myself thinking that at some point someone slipped a stupid pill into a GOP cocktail. The latest example is the GOP relentlessly attacking Biden, forcing Biden out of the race and having Biden replaced with a better candidate to run against Trump. Let's take the one candidate Trump can clearly beat, Biden, and run him off so that we can run against a candidate that has a better chance of beating of us. Look, I make no secret of the fact that I have no desire to see Trump, an immoral, unethical seditionist, win, but what leaves me scratching my head is how the GOP seems to get dumber with each passing day. Of course, the answer is that the GOP has cancer, it is Trumponoma and it is type of cancer that eats your brain and your soul. The sooner that cancer is removed, the sooner the GOP can begin the road to recovery.

Mike....your analysis leaves me a bit befuddled Twern't Trump that wanted Bidcen to drop out..it was the power behind the throne...All Dem's!

They knew darn well Biden should be confined to a rubber room and was a slam dunk losing candidate no matter how many meds they injeted.

Maybe quit watching MSNBC?

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Originally posted by Bill Leeper:

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What the dem platform has to offer is to serve the people, not an ideology.

You can't seriously mean this. The Dem platform is all about ideology. It is all about liberalism in all its guises. It is, as I have previously agreed, different from Trumpism, which is the following of an individual, but no different in one aspect, the mindless acceptance of the platform. Regards, Bill.

It certainly does not serve me.

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Originally posted by ledvm:

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Originally posted by Bill Leeper:

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Originally posted by Magine Enigam:
What the dem platform has to offer is to serve the people, not an ideology.

You can't seriously mean this. The Dem platform is all about ideology. It is all about liberalism in all its guises. It is, as I have previously agreed, different from Trumpism, which is the following of an individual, but no different in one aspect, the mindless acceptance of the platform. Regards, Bill.

It certainly does not serve me.

While the bar is pretty low, this might be the most profound statement of ME's world view --
He might actually BELIEVE that, which isn't subject to correction due to facts -

Then again, it's not an SNL skit

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What the dem platform has to offer is to serve the people, not an ideology.

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Originally posted by Bill Leeper:
The Dem platform is all about ideology. It is all about liberalism

If it is an ideology, it's to serve the people through the legitimate means of a democratic republic. If it is an ideology, then the Founders' principles are all about ideology.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberalism

Liberalism:

Liberalism is a political and moral philosophy based on the rights of the individual, liberty, consent of the governed, political equality, right to private property and equality before the law.[1][2] Liberals espouse various and often mutually warring views depending on their understanding of these principles but generally support private property, market economies, individual rights (including civil rights and human rights), liberal democracy, secularism, rule of law, economic and political freedom, freedom of speech, freedom of the press, freedom of assembly, and freedom of religion,[3] Liberalism is frequently cited as the dominant ideology of modern history.[4][5]: 11 

Liberalism became a distinct movement in the Age of Enlightenment, gaining popularity among Western philosophers and economists. Liberalism sought to replace the norms of hereditary privilege, state religion, absolute monarchy, the divine right of kings and traditional conservatism with representative democracy, rule of law, and equality under the law. Liberals also ended mercantilist policies, royal monopolies, and other trade barriers, instead promoting free trade and marketization.[6] Philosopher John Locke is often credited with founding liberalism as a distinct tradition based on the social contract , arguing that each man has a natural right to life, liberty and property, and governments must not violate these rights.[7] While the British liberal tradition has emphasized expanding democracy, French liberalism has emphasized rejecting authoritarianism and is linked to nation-building.[8]

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Illiberalism, is about serving some of the people and dominating the "others", by illegitimate means through a democratic republic:

The term "illiberal democracy" describes a governing system that hides its "nondemocratic practices behind formally democratic institutions and procedures".[1]

The rulers of an illiberal democracy may ignore or bypass constitutional limits on their power.[3] While liberal democracies protect individual rights and freedoms, illiberal democracies do not.[4] Elections in an illiberal democracy are often manipulated or rigged, being used to legitimize and consolidate the incumbent rather than to choose the country's leaders and policies.[5]

According to jurist András Sajó, illiberal democracy should be counted as a type of democracy because it is "democratic in a plebiscitarian sense",[6] while political scientist Ulrich Wagrandl argues that "illiberal democracy is actually more true to democracy’s roots".[7] Other theorists say that classifying illiberal democracy as democratic is overly sympathetic to the illiberal regimes[8] and therefore prefer terms such as electoral authoritarianism,[9] competitive authoritarianism,[10] or soft authoritarianism.[11][12]

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Originally posted by MJines:
Seems like a day does not go by when I find myself thinking that at some point someone slipped a stupid pill into a GOP cocktail. The latest example is the GOP relentlessly attacking Biden, forcing Biden out of the race and having Biden replaced with a better candidate to run against Trump. Let's take the one candidate Trump can clearly beat, Biden, and run him off so that we can run against a candidate that has a better chance of beating of us. Look, I make no secret of the fact that I have no desire to see Trump, an immoral, unethical seditionist, win, but what leaves me scratching my head is how the GOP seems to get dumber with each passing day. Of course, the answer is that the GOP has cancer, it is Trumponoma and it is type of cancer that eats your brain and your soul. The sooner that cancer is removed, the sooner the GOP can begin the road to recovery.

I can't wait until the republicans come to their senses and get shed of this asshole and we can start having meaningful policy difference discussions again.

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Originally posted by Magine Enigam:

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What the dem platform has to offer is to serve the people, not an ideology.

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Originally posted by Bill Leeper:
The Dem platform is all about ideology. It is all about liberalism

If it is an ideology, it's to serve the people through the legitimate means of a democratic republic. If it is an ideology, then the Founders' principles are all about ideology.

Weird, as a legend in his own mind says it's not an ideology,

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Originally posted by Magine Enigam:
What the dem platform has to offer is to serve the people, not an ideology.

you need help
www.betterhelp.com

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Originally posted by jeffeosso:

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Originally posted by Magine Enigam:

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What the dem platform has to offer is to serve the people, not an ideology.

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Originally posted by Bill Leeper:
The Dem platform is all about ideology. It is all about liberalism

If it is an ideology, it's to serve the people through the legitimate means of a democratic republic. If it is an ideology, then the Founders' principles are all about ideology.

Weird, as a legend in his own mind says it's not an ideology,

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Originally posted by Magine Enigam:
What the dem platform has to offer is to serve the people, not an ideology.

you need help
www.betterhelp.com

Not as much as you, my friend.

yeah, but i am actively getting that help - i recognize my issue(s)

The definition of political ideology is the identification of issues. Political theory suggest solutions to identified issues through a political paradigm.

I think you guys are confusing ideology w political theory. The two are not the same.

One distinction is political ideology identified issues, but stops short of addressing solutions.

Thanks LHeym for the clarification. I wouldn't have thought of it that way, at least clearly enough to explain it like you did. Perhaps I understood it that way intuitively.

So thanks. I need all the "help" I can get.

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yeah, but i am actively getting that help - i recognize my issue(s)

Yea, we do too, and we're here to help.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news...bc5925d6a1c852&ei=65

‘The worst Presidential campaign in modern history’: Inside Donald Trump’s campaign implosion

Mara Gay, New York Times Editorial Board Member and David Jolly, former Republican Congressman from Florida joins Nicolle Wallace on Deadline White House with reaction to the campaign implosion in Mar-a-Lago, with Donald Trump unable to get a grasp of his new reality of running against Vice President Kamala Harris.

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Originally posted by ledvm:

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Originally posted by MtElkHunter:

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Originally posted by Scott King:
Frankly, it irritates me a bit that my fellow Americans have developed such a fealty to political parties after all the warnings we've been given.

I agree 100%!!

I have no fealty to the GOP. They are vastly more liberal than I fiscally and need much improvement.

That said…the Democratic Party is totally unsupportable. I wouldn’t support a Democrat for dog catcher. The Democratic Party supports NOTHING that I support and we share NO common views.

If there were a “viable” 3rd party Conservative Party that was actually conservative — I would go there.

But, there is not. Thus, I throw all of my support behind the best game in town for policy important to me — just happens to be the GOP.

That's all fine and I believe you.

Unfortunately I think your efforts support the status quo and I believe allows the continuation of the GOP.

I think you/ we need to do other. Simply stop supporting them and build or support other. The party of Trump and "W", Cheney and Rubio just needs to dissolve.

Easy example, if the GOP candidate is actually in danger of loosing the election for POTUS to candidates as in capable as Harris or Biden, it's time to look elsewhere.

If Harris is elected, the blame is on you, me and Jtex.

Thing is, people have been totally brainwashed.

The reason Trump won first time was because he was not a politician.

People assume he will bring new life into politics.

Hopefully something that will benefit people without the constraints of party politics!

WRONG!

Didn’t take him long to be out under the banner of party politics!

He is only in it now because of that!

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Originally posted by LHeym500:
The definition of political ideology is the identification of issues. Political theory suggest solutions to identified issues through a political paradigm.

I think you guys are confusing ideology w political theory. The two are not the same.

One distinction is political ideology identified issues, but stops short of addressing solutions.

Is that not exactly what we have here? The Democrats identify issues yet put forth no real solutions. Sometimes, they make up stupid issues and do try some stupid solutions, so there is that. Bill

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Originally posted by ledvm:

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Originally posted by MtElkHunter:

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Originally posted by Scott King:
Frankly, it irritates me a bit that my fellow Americans have developed such a fealty to political parties after all the warnings we've been given.

I agree 100%!!

I have no fealty to the GOP. They are vastly more liberal than I fiscally and need much improvement.

That said…the Democratic Party is totally unsupportable. I wouldn’t support a Democrat for dog catcher. The Democratic Party supports NOTHING that I support and we share NO common views.

If there were a “viable” 3rd party Conservative Party that was actually conservative — I would go there.

But, there is not. Thus, I throw all of my support behind the best game in town for policy important to me — just happens to be the GOP.

That's all fine and I believe you.

Unfortunately I think your efforts support the status quo and I believe allows the continuation of the GOP.

I think you/ we need to do other. Simply stop supporting them and build or support other. The party of Trump and "W", Cheney and Rubio just needs to dissolve.

Easy example, if the GOP candidate is actually in danger of loosing the election for POTUS to candidates as in capable as Harris or Biden, it's time to look elsewhere.

If Harris is elected, the blame is on you, me and Jtex.

The first for disposal should be the Democratic Party. If they didn’t exist with their America Hating ideology…I would be free to write in Rick Perry in the General as well.

But they do exist. And their platform is an existential threat to the America I love. Therefore the only logical option I can see is to support with my money and voice and cast my vote for any candidate with superior policy in a position to defeat them. I too…wish it were different.

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Originally posted by ledvm:

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Originally posted by Scott King:

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Originally posted by ledvm:

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Originally posted by MtElkHunter:

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Originally posted by Scott King:
Frankly, it irritates me a bit that my fellow Americans have developed such a fealty to political parties after all the warnings we've been given.

I agree 100%!!

I have no fealty to the GOP. They are vastly more liberal than I fiscally and need much improvement.

That said…the Democratic Party is totally unsupportable. I wouldn’t support a Democrat for dog catcher. The Democratic Party supports NOTHING that I support and we share NO common views.

If there were a “viable” 3rd party Conservative Party that was actually conservative — I would go there.

But, there is not. Thus, I throw all of my support behind the best game in town for policy important to me — just happens to be the GOP.

That's all fine and I believe you.

Unfortunately I think your efforts support the status quo and I believe allows the continuation of the GOP.

I think you/ we need to do other. Simply stop supporting them and build or support other. The party of Trump and "W", Cheney and Rubio just needs to dissolve.

Easy example, if the GOP candidate is actually in danger of loosing the election for POTUS to candidates as in capable as Harris or Biden, it's time to look elsewhere.

If Harris is elected, the blame is on you, me and Jtex.

The first for disposal should be the Democratic Party. If they didn’t exist with their America Hating ideology…I would be free to write in Rick Perry in the General as well.

But they do exist. And their platform is an existential threat to the America I love. Therefore the only logical option I can see is to support with my money and voice and cast my vote for any candidate with superior policy in a position to defeat them. I too…wish it were different.

Dems do not hate America. Trump and Trumps fold do see Jan 6. See Trump calling for Constitution to be suspended. See Trump calling for 2nd Amendment people to respond had HRC won.

Dems believe America is large enough for more than just you.

You sure do a lot of crying and asking to be saved from all kinds of perceived social ills on this forum for someone who shows that sign.