That's blast from the past status already. IIRC he recently retired from that shit.

He is just not that talented, a far better singer songwriter from Texas hit the nail on the head a while back, James McMurtry.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mqjAU-z17uE

Steve, I totally disagree that Oliver Anthony isn't talented. He's talented in the way Bob Dylan was talented. Not necessarily the best singer or guitar player, but a great songwriter who could make a point.

McMurthry's song is more polished and is saying the establishment isn't connected to middle America, which is a great message, but Anthony's song is raw and it's great, and it's powerful.

I think the electorate listened to both messages this last time around.

I wish Oliver Anthony would pursue his musical career. I think he has some real potential as a singer songwriter.

I think both songs suck. I don’t listen to music to get some political message. I listen to music to relax, as a diversion, for enjoyment. I can get political messaging in a bunch of other ways, no need to ruin music as an outlet.

Talented? Well he's written a song that says exactly what he's feeling. His voice might be imperfect but it really works in the way he uses it for this. It's a great combination. Go watch some of the reaction videos to see how it affected people.

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Originally posted by MJines:
I think both songs suck. I don’t listen to music to get some political message. I listen to music to relax, as a diversion, for enjoyment. I can get political messaging in a bunch of other ways, no need to ruin music as an outlet.

Music and politics have been closely intertwined since at least Woody Guthrie's time when he put a label on his guitar saying, "This Machine Kills Fascists".

"For what it's worth" by Buffalo Springfield is a classic anti-war song, great song too. Hard to enjoy Pink Floyd if you don't want politics in your music. The Hag's "are the good times really over" is political but an all-time classic.

I love music, if it has politics involved or not.

I still do not find Oliver Anthony talented or appealing, he is no Bob Dylan that is for sure.

The 60's had great anti war songs and protest songs.

Rich Men North of Richmond is expressing what many are feeling today, and it is a great song.

Oliver Anthony got his 15 minutes of fame, and I got over it and him in about 15 minutes.

A song that became a rallying point for folks who just voted the richest more tax free lifestyles while everyone else is stuck holding the tab.


No, I do not care for nor moved by the song.

It is the Investment Class that is killing this country from an economic standpoint. It is not civil servants and public unions, nor those of us who are tired of the false promises of selective tax breaks that are not coming back into economic benefit.

Music and politics go back why past the above example.

John Brown’s Body had the following versus:

John Brown's body lies a mouldering in the grave.
John Brown's body lies a mouldering in the grave;
John Brown's body lics a mouldering in the grave,
His soul's marching on!
CHORU8.
alory ally, Hallelujah! Glory Hally Hallelujah! Glory Hally Halle
His soul's marching on ! He's gone to be a soldier in the army of the Lord,
He's gone, &c
He's
His so I's marching on!
CHonus.
Glory Hally, Hallciujah! &c.
His soul's marching on !
John Brown's knapsack is strapped upon his back—
John Brown's, &c.
Johh Brown's, &c.
His soul's marching on !
CHoRUs.
(ilory Hally, Hallelujah! &c.
His soul's marching on !
His pet lambs will meet him on the way—
His pet lambo, &c.
His pet lambs, &c.
They go marching on!
Glory Hally, Hallelujah! &c. CHoRUs
They go marching on!
They will hang Jeff Davis to a tree !
They will hang, &c.
They will hang, &c.
As they march along?
CHORUs.
Glory, Hally, Hallelujah! &c.
As they march along!
Now, three rousing cheers for the Union !
Now, Sec.
Now, &c.
As we are marching on !
Glory Hally, Hallelujah! Glory Hally, Hallelujah!

Published in 1861.

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Originally posted by Magine Enigam:
Oliver Anthony got his 15 minutes of fame, and I got over it and him in about 15 minutes.

If I recall correctly, you didn't like him immediately because you suspected his message.

. . . could disliking the song have anything to do with the fact that the dude cannot sing?

It's all relative I guess. He can sing better than me.

https://youtu.be/pid0Ud4y3XY?si=ufjhEtRMt1dQgHKJ

Bob Dylan // North Country Blues (Newport Folk Festival 1963)

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And to LHeym's point:

https://youtu.be/VUxeRLXaCIk?si=GuIoyTuiPnRepcif

How Donald Trump Won in Two Words

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https://fortune.com/2024/11/08...-president-election/

Elon Musk’s net worth rockets to over $300 billion as Trump win fuels optimism for Tesla and SpaceX
BYBrooke Seipel
November 8, 2024 at 6:46 PM EST

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https://youtu.be/VwcKwGS7OSQ?si=vEW-N8g97l8kYIsM

Woody Guthrie~ All You Fascists Bound To Lose

A short song from one of Woody's radio broadcasts. (1940's?)

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=8Dnp7lOObjU

I tend to agree w this guy.

I tend to agree with him too, except that he's too optimistic. That video was over a year ago. Things are worse now.

Plus, he's long winded. My attention span is ok, but I did skip ahead, to where he started talking about Reagan and immigration and how he changed things. It's a long story from tobacco seeds and plantations, slave labor to cheap immigrant labor. Then he gets into climate change.

Anyway, IMO he exceeds the attention span for this forum.

I might sample some of his subsequent videos.

I said tend. I agree w his optimism. I disagree at the push points. I do not disagree on the history.

Here is a big deal. Hells observation me on being able to afford a home and interest rates were real in this last election. We disagree on the solutions, but not the impact of those problems. Here is the other show, when someone like this identifies such stark economic issues the party in the White House is going to take the blame. We cannot do these other things, like address climate change to whatever extent we can, when folks cannot meet the hierarchy of needs. We cannot expect folks to vote on ideals of institutions when they cannot afford food, warmth, and shelter. When they cannot obtain the American Dream.


We cannot expect folks to have sympathy for folks who back door in when too many feel one party cares about the crashers while not delivering sourced and economic policy that bolsters their dreams that they worked for the right way, the hard way. This new migration is not the old, mobile labor migration of Mexico.

Quote: "This new migration is not the old, mobile labor migration of Mexico."

The guy in the video you posted above talked about that. He said the change started with Reagan due to exclusion policies and ideas. Accordingly, they started to figure that if they left at the end of the growing and harvest seasons, they probably wouldn't be allowed back next spring. So many decided to just stay in the US.

I used to see lots of seasonal migrants, farm workers. I remember once, years ago, long before Reagan, suddenly there were hundreds in the small town near here. They were happy, shopping, etc. Then they went to work. The busses that brought them here picked them up and took them to the various farms hereabouts. They even had camps and bunkhouses. When the season was over, the busses took them back over the border.

Now, I suspect there was some legislation allowing seasonal workers and the coyotes jumped right in on that.

Anyway, last week I saw a bus with a load of workers. They were all over the convenience store, the checkout lines were long, while the driver bought diesel. None spoke English. I bought diesel too, so I parked next to the bus.

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Quote: "We cannot do these other things, like address climate change to whatever extent we can, when folks cannot meet the hierarchy of needs."

I knew that long ago. When deer, for example, overpopulate and thus over-stress the resources, they don't stop eating.

One thing is clear, Rightists are the deniers and the blockage. It's been obvious to me for a long time that it's far more than they simply don't believe man-made climate change is real. But the ideology behind it is so twisted that I haven't been able to fit all the pieces together to make sense of it.

Quote: "We cannot expect folks to vote on ideals of institutions when they cannot afford food, warmth, and shelter. When they cannot obtain the American Dream."

I do expect folks to vote on the ideals of institutions. Failing to do that, intentionally or because they are duped is why Trump(ism) won the election. It's clear to see that Trump and Team most definitely want to defeat the ideals of institutions. They want to bring it all down and complicitly or explicitly those voters have voted in favor of that.

Ironically, the migrants, legal illegal or whatever, practically ALL come here specifically for the American Dream.

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Have you noticed the increase in people who live in cars, vans, campers and travel about? And the thing about tiny homes, fixed or on wheels, has become popular. There are many communities, developed through grants or capital (I dunno which) such as habitat for homeless vets, etc.

It looks to me like this last election moves the country in a direction of more entrenched economic division. That's what I don't understand. If they "feel" economic opportunities are vanishing thus thwarting the American Dream, why would they vote for people and policies that will make it worse?

The only direct rebuttal I see/read concerns the voting on ideals. You can expect it, but as this election proved one cannot win an election if ideals when folks are concerned with food, shelter, energy, safety, and perceive the party in power as the cause of those basic needs being reduced. You are not going to convince enough of them that those concerns are addressed or a no fault issue that requires time to resolve.

The hierarchy of needs will always win out when those basic needs are threatened. They do not have to be threatened. One just has to convince 2-5 percent they are threatened.

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The hierarchy of needs will always win out when those basic needs are threatened. They do not have to be threatened. One just has to convince 2-5 percent they are threatened.

The liberals convinced the majority that over the last four years, they did not care about those basic needs.

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The hierarchy of needs will always win out when those basic needs are threatened. They do not have to be ( actually ) threatened. One just has to convince 2-5 percent they are threatened.

I added the word "actually". Please forgive

And the 2-5 % ---- I think it's a lot more than that. "Convince" - that's the job of a demagogue, like Trump, on behalf of whom? In part that "convince" has to have a scapegoat. Migrants serve that niche well. The problem I see is that somehow Trump convinced a lot of people he was working for them, to restore the American Dream. and oh by-the-way destroy the ideal institutions as a by-product.

Hummm - go figure. Who is/was he really working on behalf for?

https://youtube.com/shorts/JrD...?si=-Z8O7EALdVYpb6qm

Why does anyone think there is always the undercurrent from the Right to cut SS and Medicare and resist minimum wage laws, and much more?

I very much enjoy this song by Oliver Anthony. It is on my playlist. His style fits these lyrics very well. Is he talented? Yes. Is he Hank Williams Sr.? No.

Darnit, Lane, I opened the link in the OP and listened to the lyrics. It's been a while since I heard that song.

Things have changed in the meantime.

I didn't realize that Anthony is a liberal.

Here's two related short videos:

https://youtube.com/shorts/icH...?si=4yuHz-sHO5iG9zIh

https://youtube.com/shorts/CvB...?si=VjeD3Rj6K9hXdkke

Elon Musk, Theil and others are Ayn Rand's John Gault.

In the second video, they missed a point. Musk won't be a politician in the normal sense because there's too many restrictions and scrutiny.

About a year ago I suggested to my far-right cousin that he just buy my equipment haul trailer since he used it so much. I said I would make him a good deal since I could borrow it sometimes. He said, "why should I buy it when I can use it free?"

So, why would Musk want to be POTUS or any politician when he can use them freely?

if he's playing the resonator, he's a decent hand at it - and either he wrote the song for his voice, or altered his voice for the song, the composition just works - i am NOT a fan of his, i don't believe i've even heard OF, much less listened to, another of his performances --

i like the song, the soul, and the rawness -- and that's it's bluegrass/blues/protest songs, with a resonator, i like it a good bit -

https://youtube.com/shorts/usX...?si=LSB7XixwmiqHaoXh

Trump in Heaven

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Originally posted by jeffeosso:
if he's playing the resonator, he's a decent hand at it - and either he wrote the song for his voice, or altered his voice for the song, the composition just works - i am NOT a fan of his, i don't believe i've even heard OF, much less listened to, another of his performances --


i like the song, the soul, and the rawness -- and that's it's bluegrass/blues/protest songs, with a resonator, i like it a good bit -

You beed to look up the parody Rich Men North of Richmond. It is hilarious.

I’m not going to be hypocritical about it.

I’m not someone who thinks a celebrity is worth a damn for me to listen to for political positions.

I enjoy Pink Floyd, and yes, I get they are pretty political if you listen to the lyrics, but AFAIC music is a catchy tune and enjoyment.

Heck the song American idiot by Green Day I tend to think of the left when I hear it, even if I know the performers think I am one of the “idiots” the song is supposedly about.

I’m not about to idolize a song or singer just because I agree with the lyrics.

I remember when American Idiot came out. I was in high school.

I removed singing it.

One day in the middle of it, “Wait a minute.”

Joshua,
what did you "Removed"?>

it's a fun song - it does put a high/low light on politics - me, the libertarian, read it as both sides .. i didn't realize some mentally deficient people would think it was one sided, and their side was "guilt-free" --

but that's just me, thinking most people think for themselves ...

Haha

I was removed from the hallway at school.

I honestly did not realize the “heat” of the song’s narrative. I thought it was basic, rock good. I sang the lyrics knowing, but not paying attention.

Not part of a redneck agenda.

“Sorry Sir, I get it. I won’t sing it on the middle of the halls no more.”