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So you do not think the MAGA movement is blowing this rarely occurring issue out of proportion for political gain?


No, I absolutely not believe that. Talk about a conspiracy theory…

There is more than ample proof that this is being played out in schools. I’m a teacher way out in the Bering Sea and I am seeing it within our own schools.

Here is some proof, which I’m guessing most will ignore because you would rather continue with your MAGA conspiracy theories shielding you from the truth.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=...IgaW4gc2Nob29scyA%3D

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=...IgaW4gc2Nob29scyA%3D

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=...OBK0&pp=QAFIAQ%3D%3D

https://m.youtube.com/shorts/axwOo-_H-Cg

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=...cgdHJhbnNnZW5kZXI%3D

https://www.hernandosun.com/20...-fdoe-gets-involved/

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=...dGVuIHRyYW5zZ2VuZGVy

https://m.youtube.com/shorts/p6vakW4znIs

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=...IHByZXNjaG9vbA%3D%3D


So, you should be the authority on how those kids are raised?
 
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So, you should be the authority on how those kids are raised?


What gave you that impression??


LHeym, I appreciate you because you are willing to discuss and disagree, without getting personal. Having said that, sometimes your thought process confounds me.

Am I understanding you correctly: you believe that, because I don’t believe that I should be compelled to lie to parents and am uncomfortable conspiring to conceal gender reassignment procedures from parents, I am trying to be the authority on how kids are raised???

No, I believe that parents should be the authority on how their kids are raised.

Man, I must really be misunderstanding you.

It seems to me that the people who think that they are an authority on how children should be raised are those who want to keep parents out of the loop while promoting gender services to minors.

Transgenderism has a lot on common with religion. Both require a great deal of faith. Both are very controversial. Good hearted Americans have very differing views on both.

And most importantly: neither should ever be promoted in schools.

Leave that stuff up to the parents.


Seriously Heym, where in the heck did you get the idea that I thought that I should be the authority on how kids are raised?
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Mike,
You obviously don’t support this stuff, or you would be using your skills defending it.

Yet you feel the need to comment.

One wonders why…

(Notice, I didn’t waste my time asking if you watched the video)


Jason

"You're not hard-core, unless you live hard-core."
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Hunting in Africa is an adventure. The number of variables involved preclude the possibility of a perfect hunt. Some problems will arise. How you decide to handle them will determine how much you enjoy your hunt.

Just tell yourself, "it's all part of the adventure." Remember, if Robert Ruark had gotten upset every time problems with Harry
Selby's flat bed truck delayed the safari, Horn of the Hunter would have read like an indictment of Selby. But Ruark rolled with the punches, poured some gin, and enjoyed the adventure.

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So maybe articles instead of videos?

Transequality.org explaining that FERPA prohibits teachers from informing parents about a student’s gender identity issues. This is interesting when you consider that we would never send a kid to the hospital for a broke arm without notifying the parents. Kids can’t be given a aspirin without parental consent either…

https://transequality.org/site...CL-Fact-Sheet.pdfBut

Schools hiding students gender identity:
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/0...tudents-parents.html

Teachers suing school district over being forced to lie to parents:
https://www.nationalreview.com...om%20their%20parents.

Teachers union pushing to allow confidential medical care for transgender students at school without parental consent or notification:
https://brenda4kids.com/index....rs-union-has-its-way

California has a law on the books, and a teacher was fired for breaking it:

https://abc7.com/amp/jurupa-va...r-identity/12950847/

At least 6 states have laws requiring teachers to lie to parents. There may be more, as the information that I found was a couple of years old. School districts also have rules, but I have no data.

SKB, I believe that you and I are in agreement on more or less everything. The only exception is whether this is wide spread enough to be worth consideration.

But I do hope that you are correct and that this is much ado about nothing.

And I sure as hell hope that this doesn’t help trump get re-elected. I see this as a direct response to Trumpism and the sooner Trump is gone, the sooner we can get back to normal.


Okay Jason,
Some real numbers based not on insurance but rather using diagnosis codes related to Gender Identity Disorder, etc.

Over a four year period we average a little over 900 hundred patients aged between 12 and 18 undergoing gender affirmation surgery.

We have over 26 million people between 12-18 in the country. I stand by my statement that Gender Affirmation Surgery is rare in minors. My math shows 0.00035% of the teenage population.

https://www.yahoo.com/entertai...n-not-190659490.html
 
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When you say we, skb, is that Co. or the whole country?
900 in 4 yrs for the country is quite rare.
 
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The whole US of A, quite rare is my feeling as well.

I did the math using four years, the stated time frame is from 2016 to 2020. That could easily be considered five years, then the average would then be a little of 700 per year country wide.
 
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Over a four year period we average a little over 900 hundred patients aged between 12 and 18 undergoing gender affirmation surgery.

We have over 26 million people between 12-18 in the country.

900x4 is 3,600 mutilated CHILDREN

you can stomach that? You can sleep well, knowing that you support the gentile mutilation of 3,600 KIDS?

nearly 1,000 per year? you know wars have been fought over less, right? BTW, that's MORE kids mutilated, per year, than ALL people killed (by someone else) with ANY rifle, much less AR 15s

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I have said many times, if this subject is your passion, get a law passed to delay the surgery until children have reached 18 years old.

You will notice a very constant theme in my posts Jeffe....I think that within the bounds of the law it should be up to the parents to make critical choices in a child's life.

Not my house. Not my business. It is how I roll.

Not that I do not empathize with someone, minor adult, that is so confused that they need gender reassignment. I do empathize with them, it is just not a subject I am passionate about. I also think it is an issue that is blown way out of proportion for political reasons.

Talk to me about public land access if you want me passionate, trannies just do not interest me much.
 
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Steve,
there are parents that SELL their kids into .. well, i won't say it ... should they be allowed to under your "not my house" philosphy?

selling kids and mutilating kids -- both should result in the revocation of parental rights, as they are harming kids... and the "doctors" should be jailed for harming a child, as a chomo sex crime


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Jeffe,
Within the bounds of the law....

You cannot sell your child, in any sense of the word, without commiting a felony. Of course you should lose your parental rights and go to jail for that.

These incredibly rare cases, that are legal, are just not my business.

Not my house.....
 
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there are near 1,000 per year -- more than people killed with ANY rifle (outside of suicide)

and yet libs are all about banning ar15s --

let's say that we don't mutilate kids, like, ever.. and yeah, i think that applies to circumcision and ear piercings

but, in the "spirit" of not my circus, what if a family decided that their kids needed to be taught extreme racists ideas.. would you be cool with that? Not me


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"there are near 1,000 per year -- more than people killed with ANY rifle (outside of suicide)"

Bad analogy. These people are not dying from the surgeries. Maybe try again.
 
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symple, bless your heart


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I'm a total moron I guess in this new woke world, but in my opinion, there are two genders, only two. Sometimes through a freak of nature there is a hermaphrodite. but generally, just two.

While there may be any number -- apparently -- of "orientations", there are still only two genders. God made it that way. End of story.

No one should screw with that. People can do whatever they consensually want to do with whoever, as far as I'm concerned, but you can't change what you are. You didn't choose either your sex or your race, but how do you change that? And I can't imagine surgery is the answer.
 
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Over a four year period we average a little over 900 hundred patients aged between 12 and 18 undergoing gender affirmation surgery.

We have over 26 million people between 12-18 in the country.

900x4 is 3,600 mutilated CHILDREN

you can stomach that? You can sleep well, knowing that you support the gentile mutilation of 3,600 KIDS?

nearly 1,000 per year? you know wars have been fought over less, right? BTW, that's MORE kids mutilated, per year, than ALL people killed (by someone else) with ANY rifle, much less AR 15s

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Ouch!

That's a stat our lefties won't like!
 
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And any thinking person can easily that at 900 cases per year, you conservatives have been blowing this whole thing way, way out of proportion. This is very rare.
 
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One thing good men do not do is try to impose their religious views upon others.

This issue is being blown WAY out of proportion for political purposes, that much is clear now that the numbers have come out.

A mountain out of a molehill.
 
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I took it as 900 in four years=225 a year.
But..... 900 a year, that includes 18 yr olds is still not a large number. A 17 yr old can serve in the armed forces with consent. I expect the most of the de-dicking is done on that age group, 17-18, who can make their own decisions.
I dont like the school secrecy aspect, as I feel a parent should know what takes place with their kids.
But, the truth is, most of the next generation onwards is not going to care, and will see it as normal part of things for the people involved.
 
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I took it as 900 in four years=225 a year.
But..... 900 a year, that includes 18 yr olds is still not a large number. A 17 yr old can serve in the armed forces with consent. I expect the most of the de-dicking is done on that age group, 17-18, who can make their own decisions.
I dont like the school secrecy aspect, as I feel a parent should know what takes place with their kids.
But, the truth is, most of the next generation onwards is not going to care, and will see it as normal part of things for the people involved.


I would have expected a more inclusive post from you. How could you you leave out the poor souls in need of an add-a-dick-to me? hilbily
 
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Maybe they could pair them up? You know; kind of a sex-change buddy system. Regards, Bill.
 
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