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Originally posted by LHeym500:

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Originally posted by ledvm:
All you guys with your other examples reiterate…is that the world is f***ed up.

Rape a child…get hung…that is my 2¢.

Point is trans or gay people as a class are not raping children, but groups you would identify as “good” are/were. The worst is those institutions covered it up and allowed more to be hurt.

As for hanging child tapestry. The S. Ct. does not allow it. If they did I would let the jury have their say including that penalty in deliberations.

The point is not that trans or gay people are raping children. The point is that by allowing of biological males use of the girls restroom, the possibility of predatory males posing as trans to gain access could increase. Further, segregation of children, by sex, in this instance, has worked just fine for centuries, and there is no compelling reason to change it. Nor is there a compelling reason to allow the grooming of young children by predatory males posing as trans, or by real trans-people endeavoring to legitimize their lifestyle. Liberals seem to want to deny the existence of the former and facilitate the efforts of the latter. There is no benefit to society in either case.
I have known religious leaders who were fine people and live righteous lives. I have known others who were evil sons of bitches; just as in society as a whole. Pointing at religious leaders, to deflect from the sins of those who are not part of the clergy, is like saying, " Grizzly bears are not dangerous. Look how many people are killed by crocodiles".
It is increasingly evident that strict adherence to any political dogma destroys ones ability to think critically. So it is that expressing a desire to control immigration is taken as a desire to recreate the iron curtain. Supporting family planning is taken as murdering children. Condemning an attack on our nations capitol is seen as anti-patriotic. Condemning an attack on other public institutions is seen as racist. Common sense yields to dogma and rhetoric. What a freakin' mess. Regards, Bill

Would you mind telling me what constitutional amendment occurred between 1865 and 1975 that caused the regular use of the death penalty to become not allowed?

I don’t recall one.

Now, there have been laws passed and those can be changed.

But back in the late 1800’s murderers and rapists routinely were executed… now almost none are, and it’s because someone changed their minds on what verbiage meant.

It would seem to me that we can, as a nation of the people, by the people, for the people that we could go back to a traditional understanding that capital punishment is an expected outcome for certain crimes.

It certainly has a lot of public support.

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Originally posted by LHeym500:

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Originally posted by ledvm:
All you guys with your other examples reiterate…is that the world is f***ed up.

Rape a child…get hung…that is my 2¢.

Point is trans or gay people as a class are not raping children, but groups you would identify as “good” are/were. The worst is those institutions covered it up and allowed more to be hurt.

As for hanging child tapestry. The S. Ct. does not allow it. If they did I would let the jury have their say including that penalty in deliberations.

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Originally posted by Bill Leeper:

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Originally posted by LHeym500:

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Originally posted by ledvm:
All you guys with your other examples reiterate…is that the world is f***ed up.

Rape a child…get hung…that is my 2¢.

Point is trans or gay people as a class are not raping children, but groups you would identify as “good” are/were. The worst is those institutions covered it up and allowed more to be hurt.

As for hanging child tapestry. The S. Ct. does not allow it. If they did I would let the jury have their say including that penalty in deliberations.

The point is not that trans or gay people are raping children. The point is that by allowing of biological males use of the girls restroom, the possibility of predatory males posing as trans to gain access could increase. Further, segregation of children, by sex, in this instance, has worked just fine for centuries, and there is no compelling reason to change it. Nor is there a compelling reason to allow the grooming of young children by predatory males posing as trans, or by real trans-people endeavoring to legitimize their lifestyle. Liberals seem to want to deny the existence of the former and facilitate the efforts of the latter. There is no benefit to society in either case.
I have known religious leaders who were fine people and live righteous lives. I have known others who were evil sons of bitches; just as in society as a whole. Pointing at religious leaders, to deflect from the sins of those who are not part of the clergy, is like saying, " Grizzly bears are not dangerous. Look how many people are killed by crocodiles".
It is increasingly evident that strict adherence to any political dogma destroys ones ability to think critically. So it is that expressing a desire to control immigration is taken as a desire to recreate the iron curtain. Supporting family planning is taken as murdering children. Condemning an attack on our nations capitol is seen as anti-patriotic. Condemning an attack on other public institutions is seen as racist. Common sense yields to dogma and rhetoric. What a freakin' mess. Regards, Bill

Kindly point out the news pieces about trans people harming children. Since finding any just in the context of public restrooms would be daunting just show us evidence of it happening anywhere.

Clergy get caught every day, and if it's analogous to what we've always been told about drug seizures only 10% are getting caught. ANY WAY YOU SLICE IT far more children are being harmed by official religious leaders than by unlicensed trannies.

Where's your outrage?

Punish bad behavior when bad behavior occurs. Your fear has never stopped child abuse as we have pointed out.

I can add nothing else to the post above mine.

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Originally posted by crbutler:
Would you mind telling me what constitutional amendment occurred between 1865 and 1975 that caused the regular use of the death penalty to become not allowed?

I don’t recall one.

Now, there have been laws passed and those can be changed.

But back in the late 1800’s murderers and rapists routinely were executed… now almost none are, and it’s because someone changed their minds on what verbiage meant.

It would seem to me that we can, as a nation of the people, by the people, for the people that we could go back to a traditional understanding that capital punishment is an expected outcome for certain crimes.

It certainly has a lot of public support.

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Originally posted by LHeym500:

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Originally posted by ledvm:
All you guys with your other examples reiterate…is that the world is f***ed up.

Rape a child…get hung…that is my 2¢.

Point is trans or gay people as a class are not raping children, but groups you would identify as “good” are/were. The worst is those institutions covered it up and allowed more to be hurt.

As for hanging child tapestry. The S. Ct. does not allow it. If they did I would let the jury have their say including that penalty in deliberations.

The 8th Amendment though the 14th Amendment su sati e due process right Incorporation Doctrine. I have posted the cruel and unusual Death Penalty cars out if GA before. You did not read them then.

There is a specific case concerning the death penalty not being applicable to rape wo death.

https://tile.loc.gov/storage-s...8238/usrep408238.pdf
Banning the Death Penalty as administered by the States through Incorporation of the 8th Amendment

Woodson v. North Carolina (428 U.S. 280 (1976)). Overturned the death penalty as states tried to work around Furman by removing jury discretion in Capital Crimes. They created mandatory death sentences. The S. Ct., said no.

Next the states created a list of aggravating circumstances with jury discretion to apply a range of penalties including death. The S. Ct., permitted this statutory structure. The juror must assert in Voir Dire the juror can apply the entire range. If they answer otherwise to seat thar juror is reversible (shall reverse as in must reverse) error.

Gregg v Georgia

https://tile.loc.gov/storage-s...8153/usrep428153.pdf

Death Penalty is not applicable to rape; ie constitutional violation.

Coker v Georgia

https://tile.loc.gov/storage-s...3584/usrep433584.pdf

Again, in 2005 the S. Ct., reiterated that rape and rape of a child was not a case death can be constitutionally administered.

Kennedy v Lousiana

https://www.law.cornell.edu/supct/pdf/07-343P.ZO

You can dad these cases to gather the Courts rationale.

The Court has also held as a violation of the 8th Amendment Incorporated through the 14th Amendment the imposition of death upon minors under 18 years of age in otherwise appropriate capital offenses.

That case is Roper v Simmons.

No, these are not legislative issues. It is the application of the 8th Amendment Incorporated through the 14th against the states. A state cannot write a death penalty for child rape 1st. That is settled constitutional law. Unless, you want to ignore a long trend of precedent, and engage in retro-judicial activism and de-incorporate the 14th Amendment.

You know, Justice Thomas led reactionist legal theory.

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Originally posted by Bill Leeper:

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Originally posted by LHeym500:

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Originally posted by ledvm:
All you guys with your other examples reiterate…is that the world is f***ed up.

Rape a child…get hung…that is my 2¢.

Point is trans or gay people as a class are not raping children, but groups you would identify as “good” are/were. The worst is those institutions covered it up and allowed more to be hurt.

As for hanging child tapestry. The S. Ct. does not allow it. If they did I would let the jury have their say including that penalty in deliberations.

The point is not that trans or gay people are raping children. The point is that by allowing of biological males use of the girls restroom, the possibility of predatory males posing as trans to gain access could increase. Further, segregation of children, by sex, in this instance, has worked just fine for centuries, and there is no compelling reason to change it. Nor is there a compelling reason to allow the grooming of young children by predatory males posing as trans, or by real trans-people endeavoring to legitimize their lifestyle. Liberals seem to want to deny the existence of the former and facilitate the efforts of the latter. There is no benefit to society in either case.
I have known religious leaders who were fine people and live righteous lives. I have known others who were evil sons of bitches; just as in society as a whole. Pointing at religious leaders, to deflect from the sins of those who are not part of the clergy, is like saying, " Grizzly bears are not dangerous. Look how many people are killed by crocodiles".
It is increasingly evident that strict adherence to any political dogma destroys ones ability to think critically. So it is that expressing a desire to control immigration is taken as a desire to recreate the iron curtain. Supporting family planning is taken as murdering children. Condemning an attack on our nations capitol is seen as anti-patriotic. Condemning an attack on other public institutions is seen as racist. Common sense yields to dogma and rhetoric. What a freakin' mess. Regards, Bill

Very good post by a man with common sense.

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Originally posted by Steve Ahrenberg:

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Originally posted by Mike Mitchell:

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Originally posted by Steve Ahrenberg:

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Originally posted by ledvm:
Our hired Democrat trolls begin to show back up.

Jefffive…long-time-no-see

Lane -

I believe the vast majority of the progressive leftist in this sub-forum are "Internet Water Army".

They don't really understand that Trump, at this point, isn't even really a person. He represent's a movement. This movement now has its base. Trump really is no more than a flag. It's the things he fought for and represents that are front and center.

The irony is, they created Trumpism, not Trump.


Even Newt Gingrich believes America has changed from simply supporting Trump, to defending what America is/was.

Let me translate this bullshit: you're a cult.

Agree...

The cult that wants our border, to be an actual border

The cult that wants little boys to pee with the little boys and the girls to pee with the little girls

The cult that wants domestic energy production

The cult the wants to save our gun rights as they are

The cult that wants inflation reversed

The cult that wants low interests rates on homes again. Our young Americans can't afford homes

The cult that wants parents to be able to protest at their school board meeting without being classified as domestic terrorists.

The cult that wants America's armed forces to go back to the most lethal killing force the world has ever seen, not the fricking village people we have now.

Yes, we are in fact a cult, no argument.

I guess I'm a "cult" member too!

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Originally posted by Bill Leeper:

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Originally posted by LHeym500:

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Originally posted by ledvm:
All you guys with your other examples reiterate…is that the world is f***ed up.

Rape a child…get hung…that is my 2¢.

Point is trans or gay people as a class are not raping children, but groups you would identify as “good” are/were. The worst is those institutions covered it up and allowed more to be hurt.

As for hanging child tapestry. The S. Ct. does not allow it. If they did I would let the jury have their say including that penalty in deliberations.

The point is not that trans or gay people are raping children. The point is that by allowing of biological males use of the girls restroom, the possibility of predatory males posing as trans to gain access could increase. Further, segregation of children, by sex, in this instance, has worked just fine for centuries, and there is no compelling reason to change it. Nor is there a compelling reason to allow the grooming of young children by predatory males posing as trans, or by real trans-people endeavoring to legitimize their lifestyle. Liberals seem to want to deny the existence of the former and facilitate the efforts of the latter. There is no benefit to society in either case.
I have known religious leaders who were fine people and live righteous lives. I have known others who were evil sons of bitches; just as in society as a whole. Pointing at religious leaders, to deflect from the sins of those who are not part of the clergy, is like saying, " Grizzly bears are not dangerous. Look how many people are killed by crocodiles".
It is increasingly evident that strict adherence to any political dogma destroys ones ability to think critically. So it is that expressing a desire to control immigration is taken as a desire to recreate the iron curtain. Supporting family planning is taken as murdering children. Condemning an attack on our nations capitol is seen as anti-patriotic. Condemning an attack on other public institutions is seen as racist. Common sense yields to dogma and rhetoric. What a freakin' mess. Regards, Bill

Excellemt, just excellent! Thank you for taking the time to write that.

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Originally posted by Jefffive:

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Originally posted by Bill Leeper:

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Originally posted by LHeym500:

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Originally posted by ledvm:
All you guys with your other examples reiterate…is that the world is f***ed up.

Rape a child…get hung…that is my 2¢.

Point is trans or gay people as a class are not raping children, but groups you would identify as “good” are/were. The worst is those institutions covered it up and allowed more to be hurt.

As for hanging child tapestry. The S. Ct. does not allow it. If they did I would let the jury have their say including that penalty in deliberations.

The point is not that trans or gay people are raping children. The point is that by allowing of biological males use of the girls restroom, the possibility of predatory males posing as trans to gain access could increase. Further, segregation of children, by sex, in this instance, has worked just fine for centuries, and there is no compelling reason to change it. Nor is there a compelling reason to allow the grooming of young children by predatory males posing as trans, or by real trans-people endeavoring to legitimize their lifestyle. Liberals seem to want to deny the existence of the former and facilitate the efforts of the latter. There is no benefit to society in either case.
I have known religious leaders who were fine people and live righteous lives. I have known others who were evil sons of bitches; just as in society as a whole. Pointing at religious leaders, to deflect from the sins of those who are not part of the clergy, is like saying, " Grizzly bears are not dangerous. Look how many people are killed by crocodiles".
It is increasingly evident that strict adherence to any political dogma destroys ones ability to think critically. So it is that expressing a desire to control immigration is taken as a desire to recreate the iron curtain. Supporting family planning is taken as murdering children. Condemning an attack on our nations capitol is seen as anti-patriotic. Condemning an attack on other public institutions is seen as racist. Common sense yields to dogma and rhetoric. What a freakin' mess. Regards, Bill

Kindly point out the news pieces about trans people harming children. Since finding any just in the context of public restrooms would be daunting just show us evidence of it happening anywhere.

Clergy get caught every day, and if it's analogous to what we've always been told about drug seizures only 10% are getting caught. ANY WAY YOU SLICE IT far more children are being harmed by official religious leaders than by unlicensed trannies.

Where's your outrage?

Kindly point out where I said trans people are harming children (unless one is to consider grooming as harmful). In general, pedophiles are neither gay nor heterosexual. Their proclivity overrides any other orientation. Likewise, the trannies are no more, and probably less, likely to be pedophiles, since their identity is not defined that way. I am not a psychologist though, and only state my own opinions. Regards, Bill

The problem with all these laws and mandates re LBGTQ isn’t the relatively few folks who actually have the disorders, but the fact that the much more sizable sociopath population uses these rules to manipulate society.

It’s becoming more common in correctional facilities to have guys claim they are women, dress the part, insist they need to be treated as such, demand to go to women’s prison, get some dufus judge to go along with it… then a rash of pregnancies in the women’s prison.

You can insist you are whatever you identify as. You want to identify as a cat, and be a “furry” we can’t stop you…. But we shouldn’t be putting litter boxes in schools, etc.

Your identification doesn’t mandate any act on the part of society. You can’t force another to view you as you wish.

At one time, cosmetic surgery and procedures were solely the province of self pay. Now we want to insist that others help these folks out. I should not be paying taxes for someone’s boob job or butt lift… no matter how much they want it.

Hormones and transition surgery seem to fall into the same area.

Yet the state is being forced by lawsuits to pay for this in the institutionalized population.

Given the regrets after the fact and the very high suicide rate after these, I have real doubt that these are really proven therapies. If they applied the same techniques and rigor to this as they do to their 2 beers a week recommendations, what do you think gets shown…

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Originally posted by crbutler:
The problem with all these laws and mandates re LBGTQ isn’t the relatively few folks who actually have the disorders, but the fact that the much more sizable sociopath population uses these rules to manipulate society.

It’s becoming more common in correctional facilities to have guys claim they are women, dress the part, insist they need to be treated as such, demand to go to women’s prison, get some dufus judge to go along with it… then a rash of pregnancies in the women’s prison.

You can insist you are whatever you identify as. You want to identify as a cat, and be a “furry” we can’t stop you…. But we shouldn’t be putting litter boxes in schools, etc.

Your identification doesn’t mandate any act on the part of society. You can’t force another to view you as you wish.

At one time, cosmetic surgery and procedures were solely the province of self pay. Now we want to insist that others help these folks out. I should not be paying taxes for someone’s boob job or butt lift… no matter how much they want it.

Hormones and transition surgery seem to fall into the same area.

Yet the state is being forced by lawsuits to pay for this in the institutionalized population.

Given the regrets after the fact and the very high suicide rate after these, I have real doubt that these are really proven therapies. If they applied the same techniques and rigor to this as they do to their 2 beers a week recommendations, what do you think gets shown…

More common sense. We can't have that in here.

"The Constitution was never intended to be a National suicide pact".

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Originally posted by crbutler:
The problem with all these laws and mandates re LBGTQ isn’t the relatively few folks who actually have the disorders, but the fact that the much more sizable sociopath population uses these rules to manipulate society.

It’s becoming more common in correctional facilities to have guys claim they are women, dress the part, insist they need to be treated as such, demand to go to women’s prison, get some dufus judge to go along with it… then a rash of pregnancies in the women’s prison.

You can insist you are whatever you identify as. You want to identify as a cat, and be a “furry” we can’t stop you…. But we shouldn’t be putting litter boxes in schools, etc.

Your identification doesn’t mandate any act on the part of society. You can’t force another to view you as you wish.

At one time, cosmetic surgery and procedures were solely the province of self pay. Now we want to insist that others help these folks out. I should not be paying taxes for someone’s boob job or butt lift… no matter how much they want it.

Hormones and transition surgery seem to fall into the same area.

Yet the state is being forced by lawsuits to pay for this in the institutionalized population.

Given the regrets after the fact and the very high suicide rate after these, I have real doubt that these are really proven therapies. If they applied the same techniques and rigor to this as they do to their 2 beers a week recommendations, what do you think gets shown…

Horseshit.

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An NBC News investigation in 2020 found that of the nearly 5,000 transgender people detained in state prisons, just 15 total had been housed according to their lived genders, exposing them to discrimination, harassment and sexual assault.

Link

Women behind bars aren't getting preganant because of those 15 trans men, it's prison guards and staff and it's been known for a long damned time.

From the same piece:

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A 2015 report by the Department of Justice found that 35 percent of transgender people who had spent time in prison in the previous year reported being sexually assaulted behind bars.

I know of NO CRIME in this Country for which the statutory penalty is that you be sexually assaulted. Do you know of any?

I don't know the solution to a lot of stuff, including this, but just spewing bullshit rarely solves anything.