There is no way trump can win the election except for the antiquated electoral system. He lost in 2020 by 7 million votes, & you cannot tell me he's picked up that anywhere. As long as people turn out to vote as they should, trump goes down in flames, as he should. If he's selected, he will still have never won the vote of the people. Minority rule is the GOP's only chance. So instead of policy, all you are going to get from them is more of the same fear mongering & voter suppression that is their MO. I hope that democrats, especially women, get off their asses & vote. If they do the GOP is destroyed.

Thats going to be the big one. Convincing jaded and disgusted voters to turn out.

You lot tried to kill him, and so handed him the win!

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Originally posted by wymple:
The only way anyone can win is by constitutionally mandated means, from the same revered document that gives ua rhe rights of free speech, and the right to vote

I fixed it for you

Unless you are actually saying that you don't believe the constitution is the law of the land..

Oh, BTW, close enough, the only way biden can win is also by winning the electoral college...

But, by all means, do research on how Clinton never won the majority of the mythical "national popular vote"

I don't advocate changing the Constitution but winning the popular vote 7 out of the last 8 elections but not winning the election is frustrating. Wyoming, with a population of 500,000, having the same stroke in the US Senate as California, with a population of 39 million, also seems a bit off.

Yeah a state with the landmass of Rhode Island having the same amount of Senators as Texas is problematic.

If we were a Democracy most all the flyover states would have no representation. Our founders were brilliant.

Reflective of the usual urban/rural split. Urbanites always think they know best what is good for us. As long as we can produce goods for them, provide recreation for them, provide a labor force for them, lend our sons in times of crisis, as long as we can serve then, they can tell us how we should be governed.
When you look at an electoral map and realize that eighty percent of the country votes one way yet loses the "popular" vote, the need for an electoral college can be understood.
Of course, it's not always as simple as urban/rural and that is just an attempt to simplify the societal divide between the producers and consumers, those who want to govern and those who are willing to serve. Representation by population is unfair to a large portion of the nation, but of course, the urbanites don't see it that way. Regards, Bill

Anyone has the right to move if they feel their vote doesnt (count enough). They can go to a less populated state.

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Originally posted by Mike Mitchell:
I don't advocate changing the Constitution but winning the popular vote 7 out of the last 8 elections but not winning the election is frustrating. Wyoming, with a population of 500,000, having the same stroke in the US Senate as California, with a population of 39 million, also seems a bit off.

And in the house? It's literally defined in the constitution

On RI
5 Texas cities have the same or more population and the entire state is smaller than the city of Houston, much less the Houston metro

There are Tezas counties larger than several states

As for last 7 of 8, you might check that. Bill Clinton never won the majority of the popular vote... it's a meaningless fact due to EC but it's an interesting data point

How about we change the EC to mirror Maine and Nebraska?

Win the popular vote in a state and that’s 2 EV.

Then each districts EV goes to the person that wins the district.

How about it lefties???

Also for those who continue to cry about popular vote and democracy we are NOT a democracy we are a representative republic as our founders intended.


Did you learn nothing in civics and history classes???

I just had what the British call a brain wave.. be gentle, it's my first in awhile

The reasons why the polls don't match reality is that they are taking a headcount as if this were a popular vote, rather than taking samples from all 50 states and juggling for EC results

Our founding fathers already thought of this and have it taken care of. They recognized that there are Rual areas and urban areas that have vastly different population and ideas. they wanted to make sure that everyone had equal representation so what they did was split the government into different houses each with different demographics. The senate was designed to give each state equal representation regardless of population. How they did this is each state was given 2 senators. That way a state like California with a big population could not run roughshod over a state like Wyoming with a small population. Each state was equal. The flip side is how to give the population numbers a equal say in government, that is done in the House of Representatives. The number of house representatives for a state is proportional to the population of the state so a State like California has a lot more house members than a state like Wyoming and thus more representation for California than Wyoming.

The system was designed to keep it as fair as possible and it does a pretty good job of it. Our founding father were not dummies and got most of the things correct.

I distinctly remember republicans having a cow over the EC when they thought Romney was going to get the popular vote & maybe lose the EC. It's all in what serves THEM best.

I much prefer we follow the constitution. Complaining that you “won the popular vote but lost the EC vote is Tue whining and crying of a loser no matter which party it is.

You notice you never see the winner (no matter the party) tout the “national popular vote”.

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Originally posted by Hasher:
I much prefer we follow the constitution. Complaining that you “won the popular vote but lost the EC vote is Tue whining and crying of a loser no matter which party it is.

You notice you never see the winner (no matter the party) tout the “national popular vote”.

But yet Trump's whining, crying and lying for the last four years that election was stolen from him is just peachy

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Originally posted by Steve Bertram:

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Originally posted by Hasher:
I much prefer we follow the constitution. Complaining that you “won the popular vote but lost the EC vote is Tue whining and crying of a loser no matter which party it is.

You notice you never see the winner (no matter the party) tout the “national popular vote”.

But yet Trump's whining, crying and lying for the last four years that election was stolen from him is just peachy

Pretty much matches the energy of Killary’s sycophants crying about “national popular vote” in 2016.

Let’s face it.


The all suck, both sides.

One side complains, the other complains and then tries to steal the election. The two are not the same but both do indeed suck.

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Originally posted by ledvm:
Yeah a state with the landmass of Rhode Island having the same amount of Senators as Texas is problematic.

As long as the House is represented by population we don't necessarily need to have the Senate the same way. In the Senate each state has an EQUAL voice; in the House not so much.

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Originally posted by wymple:
There is no way trump can win the election except for the antiquated electoral system. He lost in 2020 by 7 million votes, & you cannot tell me he's picked up that anywhere. As long as people turn out to vote as they should, trump goes down in flames, as he should. If he's selected, he will still have never won the vote of the people. Minority rule is the GOP's only chance. So instead of policy, all you are going to get from them is more of the same fear mongering & voter suppression that is their MO. I hope that democrats, especially women, get off their asses & vote. If they do the GOP is destroyed.

What we need is for people to wake up and see trump's lies and bullshit for what they are and see project 2025 for what it is.

So let me get this straight.

Trumps lies > Pedo Joes lies?

That is your argument?

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Originally posted by Hasher:
So let me get this straight.

Trumps lies > Pedo Joes lies?

That is your argument?

Well, close, you left out the part about Trump also trying to steal the 2020 Presidential election.

Steve

I just took Dundee at his statement.

Both sides lie.


In this election I would take the Boulder Bity Council over either of them and that’s saying something.

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Originally posted by Hasher:
Steve

I just took Dundee at his statement.

Both sides lie.


In this election I would take the Boulder Bity Council over either of them and that’s saying something.

Of course they both lie, but we'll see if the Dem's platform is crafted to cover up their real intentions. On the surface the Pub platform looks like a good deal, but in reality they will probably do things quite differently. I won't vote for either one, but I can survive 4 years of Biden easier than 4 years of trump. Might cause me to give more to the pro-2A side, but so be it.